Why's everyone hating systemd and telling others to stay away from it?

the motherboard bricking

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A common argument in Systemd's defense is that it shortened script length considerably. However, that's only true when comparing Systemd to Sysvinit. Other solutions make this point moot.
This is a common tactic of poettering shills. They'll find the worst possible thing to compare their trash to that makes it look most favorable, while COMPLETELY ignoring all other alternatives.
This same thing happened with PulseAudio, with poettering comparing it to OSS, even though that was already depreciated and replaced with ALSA

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And of course, the code quality is truly a sight to behold.

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Why is Jow Forums asking the same questions every day? Do most people here suffer from dementia or inability to use google?

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what's a good systemd-free distro? mx?

Void linux is pretty comfy.

Because systemd is against the Unix philosophy (it does too many things)

This board is so retarded, can't recognize a b8 from yesterday.

without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

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MX, Devuan
Gentoo and its derivatives
Slackware
Artix
Void
PCLinuxOS

H-hey, I never used linux and I would like to install Void on an old netbook I have laying around from a USB.
I heard it's for the "more experienced" but I'd still like to try, since I can't really fuck much up, there is no elaborate setup or data on that machine, so how do I do it?
I did manage to get a running live version it seems, when I used rufus and the .iso with the LXQt desktop environment.
What do I do pls? Previously I just used a live puppy on it, but now I actually cracked the thing open and installed an old HDD, so I would like something permanent and Void was kinda alluring to me due to the fact that it can be made to be minimal and doesn't come with all the bloatware I find on windon't

*cracks* system V, now THAT was a init daemon *sips* they don't make em like they used to.

because they fail to understand modern computing methods

dude this is Jow Forums not /ego_masturbation_central/

And what is your counter-argument? I mean, if it really matters you'd actually put your pov out there, right?
I am uninitiated and don't know shit, so I'd gladly just install ubuntu instead of going for something like void, since it frankly seems much easier.

>since it frankly seems much easier.
This is why linux sucks.
Go back to windows or mac is you want easy.

>so how do I do it?
on the initial boot screen before you started the live session there should have been the option of installing it, if there wasn't, there should have been the option of installing from within the live session, if not there either then I would check the Void wiki

Because look at this shit. This has been our logout screen for a few years now and yet nobody at Pötteringdom seems to care enough to fix it.

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Shitware strikes again.

Because it clearly shown how really "free" all this movement is. A single corporation wants shit shoved down everybody's throat and does it without any problems.

oh god this

because of hairy pottering, and the fact that it's trying to become easily crashable.

I found that gentoo is the only good one. Devuan has several breakage points (mostly admittedly inherited from debian), mx never worked for me, slackware has manual package management (the optional automatic management is a hack that relies on repos having the proper metadata but they never do so it doesn't actually do anything), artix is unstable as all hell, void's package manager is the worst thing known to man and it has few packages, and pclinuxos I haven't tried.

Gentoo is easy if you follow the guide and closely read it

systemd changed some things and boomers with low brain plasticity are worried for their low-paying IT jobs

Just watch a youtube install video. Instructions haven't changed much if at all. Everything else you need help with is on the void wiki or the arch wiki.
Void is piss easy even for newfags. Youll need to compile obscure packages yourself but I doubt a newb has any need for them.

This.
IBM/Redhat now OWNS Linux and every major distro complies to their whims.
They should be furious that redhat wields so much power over their (formerly) independent projects.

A person will screw up twice before having a proper install of gentoo on the third time.
The first is getting used to setting up the partitions.
The second is getting used to understanding setting up the build environment.
The third is actually getting it to boot without a kernel panic and being able to move on to emerging all the packages.
Too bad gentoo is a PITA to maintain. If you miss one update, you are going straight to portage hell.

then you might as well install Calculate
all of the benefits of Gentoo with none of the drawbacks

Calculate is the buggiest piece of shit on the planet. All the drawbacks of gentoo, plus infinite bugs, plus none of the benefits.
Just lrn2 proper protage operations. You can bypass the hell you describe (but it's true you need some knowhow).

I moved back to slackware. Best distro I've used.
>You can bypass the hell you describe (but it's true you need some knowhow).
Yeah, and it takes about a day or two to get that crap untangled and sorted out.

>Calculate is the buggiest piece of shit on the planet. All the drawbacks of gentoo, plus infinite bugs, plus none of the benefits.
and when was the last time you even ran a live session? sot the fuck down and don't say a fucking thing until you're called upon
Slackel is also good

I have another question for you, WHO is making these propagandistic images about systemd like they were trying to sell it?

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Because it just works.

i had one stupid issue with it, i ran the teamspeak installer by accident by double clicking it in the file picker and it spammed the system log with something like
'do you want to proceed with installation? y/n do you want to proceed with installation? y/n do you want to proceed with installation? y/n do you want to proceed with installation? y/n'
taking up 65 gb of my root partition and making the system unresponsive and unbootable (deleting the log file from a live cd helped everything). I have no idea if its more of a problem with the installer or the system log but it was a really frustrating thing to experience.

Looks like Chakra OS

What a cutie, too bad she fell for the jewish porn scam.

Slackware for lyfe motherfuckerz

curious thing happened to me, had to chroot into a OS install to install further packages while not having to load it to the other machine because it has no monitor, tried to use a systemd command and they don't work in chroot wtf. How do people maintain their installs if the cant use the tools provided that are actually vital for a proper functioning distro?

tfw I like systemd

So all of the newer mainstream distributions are pretty much dogshit?
Guess I'll have to leave manjaro behind then :-(

Is it the same one when you are shitting a huge dump?

A satisfying feeling? I guess your analogy is pretty fitting with system V being the huge dump.

>A satisfying feeling?
No. I see you getting that when a dick is in your ass.

The actual real reason is that most people are jealous and wish they had the skills and the knowledge to make something similar

>Systemd as a project moving way too fast,
Yeah it's a total shitshow that end user's didn't ask for. I'm suspicious of systemd's project leaders real motivations, not something crazy like sabotage or being an agent of an intelligence agency. More like the leaders are intentionally trying to pull as much of Linux as possible under their authority.

The joke is systemd was supposed to be fast.

I could make one better, but who is going to pay me for it? Definitely not redhat bullshit.

We've been using CentOS 7 with the SystemD at work for years and we've never had any of these problems. Stop trying to do unsupported things and you'll stop breaking shit.

What distro? Fedora 29 doesn't do that.

>uses free as in free beer operating system that volunteers build
>expects to be paid when asks to contribute

systemd is fine but no-systemd is also fine

>Stop trying to do unsupported things and you'll stop breaking shit.
Yeah, people should stop trying to customize an OS designed to be customizable.

Do you think food is free?
"Volunteers" are the least of contributions now to linux today.
In the beginning, sure, they were everywhere, but today, linux is filled with additions made by corporations who pay people to write software specifically to add it to linux.
Why should I have to work for free when all these corporations pay for it everyday all year long?

SystemDachau.

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>be systemd
>service snmpd stop
>can't do service stop command
>the end

It's a colossal monolithic turdlog developed by Red Hat that's rooting itself deep into GNU/Linux distros.

It acts like a literal cancer, consuming vital system utilities until it finally takes over the ecosystem, extinguishes the alternatives and makes itself unavoidable by forcing most of your software to depend on it.

It's a virulent plague that seeks to destroy freedom of choice and pretty much turn Linux into Windows.

Checked! If it's so horrible why are all leading distros using it?

Because it was easier to use than avoid since it consumed udev and logind which are vital system utilities (thankfully the Gentoo people forked those).
It did provide some genuine advantages over the sysv init and there were no alternatives at the time and it was agrressively pushed by Red Hat.
Also, GNOME started depending on it and all the major distros use GNOME.

(GNOME if you didn't know is pretty much owned by Red Hat)

systemd always makes me gag when i think about it

Its actually uplifting Linux distributions and it acts like a root system nourishing the OS.

Its a shining golden example of how Linux continually gets better support and becomes easier to use, comparing systemd to Windows makes you sound like an ignoramus.

>one guy doesn't use systemd
>OHMAGERD WHY EVRY1 H8 SYSTEMDIX???

>sudo kill 1

This multi post pasta is quite impressive, it must take a lot of misinformed hate to keep it going.

>ad hominem as they ran out of arguments

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Now that I think about it, I want to egg the anti-systemd people on. Twenty years from now they'll discover stuff like port activation and transparent service containerization and it'll blow their minds. Or maybe not, they'll go jobless and homeless first as the bare metal jobs get replaced with container orchestration.

>frogposter
It isn't even worth expending any effort on low quality bait. Just one example, the motherboard issue was both due to a bug in the motherboard not following UEFI specs and the Linux kernel implementation of the UEFI mount. Linux kernel devs stated that outright. It has nothing to do with systemd. Yet systemd haters always pull that out because they have no valid arguments to rely on.

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>no valid arguments to rely on.
Google is an ad-company, scumbag. 8.8.8.8 is hard-coded into systemd. Googles ntp addresses are hard coded into systemd.
Ad companies have no place in a system designed to bring the user freedom of choice.

Fuck off and die. If possible, die forever.

Google DNS is a standalone service which doesn't collect data for ads.
developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy
Furthermore this fallback is only used if distros don't configure a fallback like they're supposed to. So this only affects broken distros in the first place.

>a company apologist appeared!

Did I stutter? Fuck off.

>hard-coded into systemd
The beauty of FOSS is that you can modify the software and use that modified version

>Googles ntp addresses are hard coded into systemd
Google NTP servers have leap smear which is pretty awesome, assuming you just didn't mistype DNS

do you even know what an adhom is