From practical standpoint honestly hijacking the SJW movement into FOSS movement is desireable.
FOSS has honestly stagnated, Linux all distro combined was like 2-4% of personal desktop/laptop market share. We need more people against proprietary software. Now your TV have proprietary software (subject to spying), your cars have proprietary software (subject to tracking and in extreme case remote hack for assassination), your fridge have proprietary software. Soon the brain chips will have proprietary software and self driving car AI have proprietary software. We're looking into dystopia and we need more people on our side.
>bringing in mentally ill people will make our case against proprietary software stronger You already look like a paranoid tinfoil hat, bring in those mentally ill freaks and FOSS will lose all credibility forever
Levi Ward
Jow Forums doesn't care, you can be whatever you want to be as long as you write good code. The resistance to it is from Jow Forums babbies who escaped their playpen.
Jeremiah Flores
This. If wearing programming socks and gloves and having a riced up desktop depicting half-nude cat girls playing with eachother makes you a better programmer (or even just makes you feel like a better programmer), then good for you. The only thing that matters is the quality of your output, not how you achieve it.
Evan Moore
>why are Jow Forums neckbeards against inclusivity and diversity That certainly does sound like a very honest question and not like you've made up your mind already :^)
Nathaniel Mitchell
>complain about mental illness on a board that already worships an overweight autistic homeless man and a paranoid schizo homeless man get out, you couldn't be more of a Jow Forumsshit
Daniel Miller
>a board that already worships an overweight autistic homeless man and a paranoid schizo homeless man You must be new here
Cooper Sanchez
because the rest of society made an effort to include all the other deviants without including them ;_;
Aiden Jenkins
oh sorry i forgot, all us oldfags secretly worship steve jobs and elon musk, they are the true saviors of tech, posting from my iphone while i drive because tesla autopilot makes it so i don't have to look at the road
Adrian Hernandez
>autistic homeless man and a paranoid schizo homeless man How is Stallman not right? He lucked out that he got to be the face of a movement, most people are forced to use proprietary software. >We'll interview you for a dream job on Skype What are you gonna do? Decline the interview because FOSS autism?
Joseph Torres
The only reason those "people" are underrepresented in FOSS is because they suck at programming. There's literally no entry barrier - nobody knows who you are unless you make an effort stating it. All gender-blind tactics and algorithms in companies have been canceled for one reason only - they weed out most women and minorities despite not knowing who they are. What's the point of having more people if the number of people actually contributing remains constant? Why don't you go invade other fields, like sports?
I can't program for shit, I'm just a believer in the idea and user of Gahnoo slash Leenox.
Diversity hires might not be able to program, but increasing the userbase of FOSS platform is critical, otherwise just like MSOffice and Skype they become the standard.
Christian Young
CoCs are being forced in to the free software movement for the same reason the progressive queue was forced in to occupy wall street. Grass roots movements like these have an inherent advantage over their top down enemies. In the case of software development, the free software developers have the advantage of not requiring a HR department and other bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is an enemy efficiency. Free software is already at a resource disadvantage to proprietary software companies. Enforcing proprietary software bureaucracy negates the advantage that helped the free software world operate with lower resources.
>you can be whatever you want That's false according to the CoC. *hugs*
Aaron Johnson
Found the libturd NPC
Tyler King
>That's false according to the CoC. No, stop spreading FUD asshole >*hugs* That's FreeBSD, not Linux, you aren't even looking at the right thing
Connor Perez
Name a single piece of software written by a woman or a minority installed on your pc right now. If you can't you're the real bigot and also a hypocrite - how can you claim you support them if you actively avoid using their software?
Dylan Reyes
Why do people directly associate diversity inclusion with programming? We also need casual user who prefer free program as daily driver that just werks. Having more userbase = more bug reports, more help on the forum, etc. SJW are already naturally inclined towards community and socialism, so it is not that hard of a leap to make them a true believer in FOSS principle (there's a reason why Stallman is a raging green party liberal)
Bentley Foster
not against diversity itself i'm against diversity before merit a.k.a. hiring because zir's a disabled lesbian transbinary otherkin and not him because he can write safe and perfomant code competently t. Jow Forums neckbeard
Ayden Cook
>Why do people directly associate diversity inclusion with programming? I wouldn't call zombies infected by a mind virus people.
Brody Jackson
>2019 >not using trannyboot Disgusting
David Perez
>copied a project and cut some parts off it Sounds exactly like what a tranny would do.
Ryan Diaz
What is a programmer without people to actually use their program?
Christopher Lewis
>copy an OS and add unending bloat to it while concealing the true source of funding sounds like exactly what a fat white man would do
Landon Miller
Stop being antisemitic, you already got women's march canceled because of it.
Jayden Thomas
i was at the women's march sweetie, it went better than you could have imagined
Yes, it went down in flames, better than I ever hoped it would be. Why was it so racist by the way? Why was it almost exclusively white?
Joseph Moore
it wasn't, try going to the actual women's march instead of the (((women's march)))
Eli Gray
There you go with the antisemitism again.
Thomas Jones
We are not against the concept. We are absolutely against judging anyone's abilities based mainly on who they are, not what they can and know. Any divergence from meritocratic system in this environment is detrimental, what SJWs are trying to enforce especially. FOSS community, except for Jow Forums-like minority never cared about you gender, sexuality, disabilities etc. Leftist movements want to make it mandatory.
William James
You got me all wrong pal, I love jews, as long as they're working for me
Elijah White
I'm not against diversity and inclusivity, by the contrary, I'm very much in favor of it, I'm just against censorship and retarded drama by offended people who can't acknowledge the existent of people with different opinions. If they get offended then they are free to GTFO, not start making retarded rules and forcing normal people to have to cope with their kinks and retardation.
Jose Collins
Once Politics is more important than the project you will fail! This is the cliche "Get woke go broke" This is why everythong SJW touches turnes into shit and we do not want that to happen to FOSS
Jayden Murphy
But people are triggered by just code words like "inclusion" and "diversity". They're just advertisement, similar to "minimal", "user-friendly", "stable" etc. There's nothing wrong with advertising these buzzwords. Mozilla Firefox said they're for inclusivity and suddenly people are triggered
Cameron Rivera
It's because nowadays 95% of times it just means "we're gonna promote mentally ill children specialized in throwing a temper tantrum". When it changes being like this, we will stop.
Thomas Reed
SJWs are like 7% of people, even less in other countries, they are just really fucking loud. Why tech companies frequently pick 7% over 93% is beyond me, that's probably why they fail so hard recently.
Aaron Brooks
>barges into a space that belongs to someone else >is mostly welcome as long as they can't perform(and they often can't) >instead of bettering self, schmooze and worm and manipulate and insinuate into positions of power and demand to rewrite all of the rules and change the environment to be favorable to them and hostile to the people who created it >they protest because you're acting like a psycho >WHY ARE YOU SO BIGOTED?????
Ryan Evans
They are mentally ill alright but you are missing the point. OP is right about the strength of those paws. They might be crooked but they are bloody effective.
I agree with you, but careful to not making an excuse out of your point.
This fellow has an interesting point. How much can a minority control the lot of unstable (not quite) slightly over/under weighted faggots? They are damn loud but I don't like the potential self destruction those brainlets can bring
Because they are not programmers but coders. They build cheap crappy code and pretend to work. Welcome to capitalism.
Austin Cox
>Because they are not programmers but coders. They build cheap crappy code and pretend to work Indians are a better choice honestly, the ones that are able to move here are their cream of the crop. Not saying much but still infinitely better than those walking abortions.
Benjamin Murphy
They can't create anything of their own and they ruin everything they touch. Not just software. Everything.
Honestly, the de novo colonization of western societies by those Asians scares me a bit. I fear for my replicators (yet to born, for I have not breed a fine woman). Could you imagine your daughter bringing Vanket to launch with us in the Sunday?
Lucas Robinson
what good is a meritocratic system if it can be dismantled this easily
Ayden Ortiz
>mentally ill children specialized in throwing a temper tantrum So you mean just like Linus Torvalds who was known for chimping out on the mailing list and calling people names for having a bug in their code? No surprise he stands for it and wants more of these people around him. But then again programming is a field for maladjusted children who never learned how to do anything other than operate a computer. It's funny how you're mad that tech business succeed and now you have to deal with career changers invading your space.
Kevin James
I can tell you. Neckbeards have no place to call home, they've been faggots and losers their whole life. They specialized in some esoteric shit that nobody cares about (i.e. writing software), then it caught on. Now they aren't special because normal people without autism and with healthy bodies and successful social lives are just as good as they are and more desirable than them to work with. Neckbeards are on their way out of the tech industry because they are at best equal to normies in technical skills and they just can't compete on a behavioral level.
tldr: losers thought being losers made them good programmers, but superior normies decided it's worth their time and are shattering their fragile egos.
Jose Brooks
Neckbeards BTFO. Always Ree about meritocracy until is hurts them
Ayden Lee
>you aren't even looking at the right thing Is FreeBSD not FOSS anymore? Way to dodge the issues I brought up.
BSD is a license for cucks, why are you surprised that its developers are extremely cucked?
>that picture both of the groups of people are the same
Caleb Murphy
Way to dodge the issues I brought up.
Adam Ross
You didn't bring up any issues. FUD is not valid. Microshill pls go
Kayden Bell
If you want to dismiss it as FUD you need to show it's FUD. >Microshill Microsoft is a member of the Linux Foundation. No wonder Linux is being so receptive to the insertion of unnecessary bureaucracy like CoCs. If you don't believe in the effectiveness of these strategies, remember that the US used to be able to put men on the moon.
Because the methods the SJWs use to reach diversity are destructive and horrible. Basically they beat down white men and asians until they suck as the rest, instead of you know, trying to make the rest as good as the first group, which is the desirable goal.
Aiden Collins
wow white men and asians are fucking weak
Charles Watson
Not really, the SJWs are all white as well, but indoctrinated into a terrible religion that lead em to do that kind of shit.
Elijah Thompson
how are they not weak if they're indoctrinated
Mason Thomas
>muh women are evil >muh space program >muh CoC fearmongering this is low quality bait
>If you want to dismiss it as FUD you need to show it's FUD lizard people are taking over the world and they're coming for you next, if you want to dismiss this you need to show it's FUD lmao
Levi Powell
>why are Jow Forums neckbeards against inclusivity and diversity? They aren't. 99% of this board pretends they are little girls and/or want to fuck animals. How much more liberal can you get?
Landon Cox
spbp
Brandon Evans
They're not against inclusion and diversity, they're against the idea that inclusion and diversity ought to be prioritized over competence and contribution.
Aiden Wilson
They're only human, and humans are indoctrinable.
Justin Reed
Because it supplants the ideology and diverts from its purpose.
And the FSF hasn't stalled. It still lobbies and gives press releases.
But the old days before social media, no one gave a shit who was behind the code and all that mattered was what you did.
Ask yourself why the cult of personality is so pervasive to a bunch of code monkeys. And you'll always end up following the money.
Brandon Cruz
>why are Jow Forums neckbeards against inclusivity You're probably too new, the average Jow Forums user is a scrawny compsci skid that uses Linux to feel at least a little bit special People here are tinfoil for the exact same reason, because they want to think they're special enough for the government to hunt down That doesnt really matter anyways since most people here have *maybe* once used tor to buy E Most of them probably close Jow Forums(nel) if someone posts CP and wonders if they'll get v& That being said, there are certain eye-popping advantages to using Unixes or even Linux, but falling for the FSF meme in fucking 2019 is ridiculous, it's beyond fighting for a lost cause, it's downright delusional Maybe in the early 1990s or even the 2000s it could've made a difference, but now it's way beyond irrelevant I mean if you like having some people with the same interests it's cool, but don't waste your life on it, it's not worth it
Elijah Lee
Because it never was about having niggers, faggots, niggerfaggots, and anything in between. It was about the software, not "who the fuck would get offended by it".
Elijah Wood
Honestly? I'd probably decline the interview, yeah. I'm not a moralfag, but I really can't stomach working for Microsoft. Maybe for pure research, but not product development.
Camden Torres
Not inherently suck, just statistically. Or at least, 5-10 years ago.
Xavier Green
I don't speak for everyone here but I'm cool with inclusivity and diversity so long as people who can do whatever job they need to do are doing it. I don't give a fuck what race or gender you or anybody else is so long as you can do your job. Whether that's code, admin work or whatever. I just don't fucking care.
Ryder Richardson
Ah, Jow Forums. Lovely Jow Forums.
Daniel Ward
You can do whatever you want, but I'm still going to call you a faggot.
Austin Stewart
1 ) do people even read what they are against?
>Our Standards >=============
>Examples of behavior that contributes to creating a positive environment >include:
> Using welcoming and inclusive language > Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences > Gracefully accepting constructive criticism > Focusing on what is best for the community > Showing empathy towards other community members
>Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include:
> The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances > Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks > Public or private harassment > Publishing others’ private information, such as a physical or electronic > address, without explicit permission > Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting
AKA: be/ pretendt to be nice person. this even thread as a rules to follow.
2) do people even know what they are talking about?
Maintainer /owner still has power to do whatever they want. just now they can link CoC after banning you.
Benjamin Harris
They don't read and they don't know what they're talking about, because the majority of people sitting up this shitstorm are Jow Forums crossboarders who just want to be outraged about the sjw boogeyman.
Cooper Green
"Don't be a jerk" on any social media you ever posted forever, or we will dig you up, find a dirt and get you removed. Also the definition of jerk may be controlled by a SJW cultist that may get triggered with anything random you do and get you removed.
Ethan Kelly
I can't speak for others, but my impression was that no one had any issue with women/trannies/whatever working HR or PR positions. The problem was always that they got hired in technical roles they may not have been the most qualified for, due to unrelated reasons (gender, sexual orientation, etc).
this
Cooper Hernandez
removed from what?
>project: either you work for them or do it for free.
either way you are not losing that much.
sometimes you need to take step back and see that the problem is not that big
Zachary Barnes
I am, if i use a program, and a main developer of this program gets kicked off because some shit he said on a phpbb forum in 2005
Kevin Wilson
then he was working with shitty people.
you have 3 option: 1: uninstall it and find another program 2: fork it and find people you can work with. 3: still use the program.
Lincoln Sanchez
How about the "don't give shitty people a Metar gear to kill people they dislike with" option?
David Anderson
>Having any kind of rules at all is equivalent to killing people
Where are you getting this?
Chase Ramirez
It's not "having any kind of rules", it's "having very vague rules that can be reinterpreted in n forms to fuck people"