Guts thread - blue pill edition

Way worse pro performance too, anyone dumb enough to get memed to buying a 9700k deserves everything they get

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>3%
The misleading chart that shows a combination of GPU bottlenecked games, and poor Intel system configurations.
>inb4 Intel doesn't perform better with good ram

>No Arma 3 "yaab" benchmarks
Lul, I wonder why.

>GPU bottlenecked games
what you mean most of them, and every single one worth playing?

>and every single one worth playing?
They omit the good games, because they are unfair to amd. They call these games "outliers", so instead they test doom, tomb raider, and console ports, but in a way that gives amd the best scores.

not really. if you start looking at other pro stuff outside corona its really back and forth game. going into it I didn't just go randomly out there and buy the 9700k off a whim. if I was going to do that I would have picked it up at release. but after seeing a slew of benchmarks and discussing it with people on ocn.net the 9700k is slightly faster or equal to that of the 8700k in multi.

the 8700k was a toss up compared to the 2700x in multi. but always 100% of the time faster in single threaded and equal thread count scenarios. so I get the multi performance of the 8700k at 8 threads rather than 12 with 6 being SMT threads and no longer dealing with SMT, get multi that's -close- to the 2700x at full thread usage, but absolutely FACE RAPE my old 2700x in everything else.

plus intel's platform is more mature and tier 1 support from motherboard vendors rather than being treated as a second class citizen. like gigabyte released a new bios for their z390 boards that revamped the interface. ryzen counter parts will never get it.

yeah I could have waited for ryzen 2, and honestly I was heavily considering it, but being on the ryzen bandwagon since ryzen 1 release in 2017 when I picked up a 1700x, then 1800x, 1600x on the side, and then the 2700x, five x370 boards and one x470, I really wanted to go back to intel again. I kinda got burned out from all the retarded bugs that can't be blamed on motherboard vendors. like memory support as ryzen memory controller is an immature piece of shit. its nice to know I can go out there and pick up a dual rank 2x16gb 3200mhz kit and can run it on my 9700k without even having to run through hoops. like I blindly picked up that 3200mhz Hynix gskill kit without even bothering checking anything and it just werks. no soc voltage to mess with, no is it single or dual rank or Samsung and all that shit with ryzen.

oh and no longer dealing with the ccx bullshit and amd's retarded boost algorithm. gen 1 ryzen was absolute garbage. how did any of amd's engineers thought having it as two stages, 1-2 threads "light load" 4ghz and everything else plus medium+ 1-2 thread loads 3.7ghz was a good idea. my fans where going up and down like a game of wac-a-mole. let alone retarded voltage spikes. ryzen 2000 series smoothed it out a bit and lowered voltage spikes a bit but still not as smooth as intel's turbo boost.

>LAGHBLRGHHGARGHBL
>please... kill me...

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true, but I love it, and often just stare at my guts for minutes

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How difficult was it to measure and order the cables?

Why not watercool the graphics card?
It most likely have a much higher power-draw than the CPU.

This case looks great and is easy to carry, but if you own more than 2 drives, cabling is a bitch.
Would never buy again.

0 % form, 100 % budget and performance

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water cooling cpu but not gc, why ?
cpu heatsink are more efficient than gc s ones...

You still have room for a fan, right ?

>the 8700k was a toss up compared to the 2700x in multi.
No it literally isnt, almost any AMD 8 core is faster

Seems like a shit build from an actual retard dumb enough to by vega and intel, you just like buying shit things and getting in arguments trying to rationalize that they aren't shit

looks so gay I love it.
g1 gaming, aorus, ud5, sniper, I wish gigabyte would stop changing their names every damn generation. but anyways nice keeping up with the theme. how much is that rtx card bottle necked by that, assuming, quad haswell or possibly first gen quad skylake?
can't see anything
have you ever thought about just selling useless crap you don't need anymore to build a nice looking rig?
cable management and shoving all of that in there must have been a raging pmsing cunt

Huh? But I'm still on Haswell...

>cable management and shoving all of that in there must have been a raging pmsing cunt
Oh yes, it was lovely in every way

sup

>Xeon X5450 3GHz stock
>Spire Thermax II cooler
>Delux MG760 case
>Samsung EcoGreen F2 1TB 5400RPM
>Sapphire R7 240 2GB
>8GB DDR2 800 RAM
>Leadtek Winfast TV 2000 XP Expert PCI

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That's like a Core2Duo or Quad at most, maybe it's time for an upgrade

That case looks too small to fit enough radi--oooohh

That ram cooler being off-kilter would bother me
Also the murder that case witnessed

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hello internet

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>had 1800X
>changed it to 8700K
>then chaned it to 2700X
>now changed to 9700K

You're not very smart, are you?

The relevant part should'vw been easy to spot, being the two niggrigged radiators on the floor. It's a work in progress.

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Are the new fans worth it over P12 or F12?

>spent over $100 on fans

Nice build OP, it was your 8700k build that inspired me to get this case desu. But i don't think all the Ryzen hate is fair honestly.

3930k @ 4.5ghz
4x4gb G.Skill Trident X with memespreaders taken off, 2133mhz 9-11-11-27-124 1T
Rampage IV Formula
Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+

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>willingly choosing product with 28+ hardware security vulnerabilities

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They're an absolute wonder. Don't buy anything else, and I tried everything including modded Gentle Typhoons.

>being concerned about security vulnerabilities that only exist when one hosts various VMs for separate entities.

Why should a homer user give more than half a fuck about this?

Betrayal!

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>bank gets owned and your money gets pwned
>government gets owned and your identity gets pwned
>email provider gets pwned and your online accounts get pwned

>2 1080 Novas in serial for a single GPU and CPU
Absolute madman

Are you retarded?

How would me using an intel CPU effect ANY of that?

If THEY use Intel and refuse to fix their systems, then sure, THAT'S a concern.

But my personal purchase for my HOME computer has NO BEARING on what my bank, government, or ISP/email provider uses on THEIR systems.

I have no way to influence what corporations purchase. And for my personal use, Intel performs better for gaming, which is my primary workload. So yes, I am going to continue buying intel, even with these security vulnerabilities that effect me in literally no way.

>bank
That's where you're wrong kiddo.

I had three Corsair sticks in there but one decided to have a pin commit sudoku and make my PC hang on C1 post code, hence why I used different RAM sticks.

Anyways, another 775 I have. Abit making a comeback this time.

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>1080
user, they're 1260s. They were on a clearance sale. Now I need to build a nice cabinet on wheels for them, that doubles as a PC stand.
I was a bit worried that a single pump won't be able to push throught it, but yeah, not an issue at all.

not really but hey you can keep living in your imagery world where everyone compiles Gentoo all day. outside a few spefic highly threaded applications that can use 16 threads to their max the 2700x has a slight lead. but overall intel's 6 core with smt or 8 core no smt keep right up with those 8 core 16 threaded parts from amd.

and everything else that doesn't use 10+ threads the 8 core and 6 core intel is faster.

ultimately the intel is faster or matches. when it loses it doesn't lose as big as amd.

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Can i suggest that you get a couple of EK or Koolance quick disconnects? They were a godsend when i had my 3930k and 290s on a 1080 MoRa (which still have, kind of want to use it). And yea the pump was a worry i had too, so i got a Swiftech MCP35x, pushed water through the loop like nothing. Only really had to bleed the rad.

Yeah, QDC seem like a good idea, maybe even throw in a small rad at the top/front of the case so that I could run it standalone as well, but all that is in the future. Again, I'm a bit reluctant introducing more resistance.
It was a nightmare to fill, had to move the case and the rads around, but once there was enough water for the pump to move it, it went pretty fast. I read that it would take something like a week to bleed, vut it was done in two days.

lazy pic

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>All that money on industrial Noctua fans
>No GPU
>MSI motherboard
Why tho

>>All that money on industrial Noctua fans
had them in my server, experimenting with OC on this system
don't need them anymore here, just haven't bothered
>>No GPU
it's a 650 ti
waiting for vega 2 to release to see if it's any good
>>MSI motherboard
just works

isn't this case famous for killing hard drives due to the heat?

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>2700x with a 9700k
Why'd you make the switch?

single core performance obviously.

That's literally the only reason someone would switch.

Not him but probably gaming performance.

Yea but which games exactly would a 2700x not suffice? I can only think of a few ubisoft and EA exceptions, and those games are garbage anyway. Maybe PUBG.

9600k niggaz ww@!!!

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Basically any game if you are playing at high refresh rates.

almost any game at 144hz.

Gaming doesn't really benefit from the extra cores and HT performance and once you factor in the extra TDP and heat not really worth it honestly.

Hell, with a good graphics card you can still get by off a 4670 at least

4K

Wut?

The 2700x he came from had more cores and SMT (hyper threading).

The 9700k has less cores, and no HT.

>with a good graphics card you can still get by off a 4670 at least
at 60hz maybe.

compared to the i5 I mean

yeah, but no one brought up an i5 besides you, for no real reason from what I can tell.

Just random and no real purpose in the discussion.

Im just saying that if you bought an i7 solely for gayman purposes then you made the wrong call

which again, is total bullshit when you talk about 144hz gaming.

Especially when talking about quad core i5's without hyper threading.

Minimum these days is 6 cores.

You realize the 9th gen i7's dont have hyper threading right?

Why didn't you use the proper slider screws for the optical drives?

>The 9700k has less cores
Wut they both have 8 cores

>if you bought an i7 solely for gayman purposes then you made the wrong call
Are you srs? The only argument Ryzens ever had was even though gaming performance was subpar, they make it up in productivity.
i7 was always the gaming king.

>Wut they both have 8 cores
i meant threads but i'm high since it's my day off.

not really because base clock is more important than corez for gaming

again what the fuck are you talking about?

The 9th gen 9700k can clock to 4.9Ghz single core at STOCK.

and OC'd can do 4.8-5Ghz on all 8 cores.

It's objectively better for high refresh rate gaming.

Minimum 0.1% and 1% average fps is better, as well as overall avg fps.

Is an older gen i5 okay for gaming? Sure. But it's not going to be as good as a 9th gen i7, ESPECIALLY at high refresh rates.

>best looking AIO
>best looking RAM

now you just have to get pic related

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a couple months i modded a G5 to fit my shit into.

looks great. Just cut the io panel at the back and epoxy'd standoffs. Wired the button to work too. Couldn't get the rest of the front panel working through, sadly. I'll probably just buy the conversion cable and call it a day.

shits clean though, i love it.

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actually almost perfect

I'd like to know as well

>The 9th gen 9700k can clock to 4.9Ghz single core at STOCK.

With negligible improvement to game performance and at the cost of TDP and heat generation not to mention cost.

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most people just buy extensions.

You can get extensions for half the price of a full custom set.

those cables are probably custom. They're not hard to make.

it keeps geting better

>Civ6 a game that can be played at 20fps without you caring because it's a fucking turn based strategy game

Are you retarded? Or are you just hunting for (you)'s at this point?

This is getting sad desu.

lol cope

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You either never owned a recent Intel CPU, or you don't play games that require high fps.

This is not the first time I'm seeing people going from 16 thread Ryzens to 8 thread Intels because they got memed into buying AMD because muh futureproof.

this is the last one you'll get from me kid.

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extensions aren't an option for me
I have an enthoo luxe with waaayyy too much shit in it to fit even more cable length

>They're not hard to make.

but they are ridiculously expensive

>ordering custom cables
220$
>ordering everything to do it myself
300$+

I'd love to do it myself, for the result as much as the work, but I cant justify the cost

>300$
What the hell, just go on aliexpress, I got a short cable kit for my SF600 for like 20€, or have chinks jacked up prices as well?

>He does it for free

Imagine justifying your 500$+ purchase for a 10-30% single-threaded peformance only gain to this extent.

It's almost like you HAVE to convince yourself that this was worth it.

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2700X costs $310 and 9700K $420.
Paying $110 extra for 10-30% performance in games is worth it in my book.
I have a $1000 GPU, what's $110 in the grand scheme of things?

If you have a $2000+ PC, you're paying 5% more for 10-30% extra FPS.
I don't own a 9700K but it makes perfect sense to me. Not everyone is buying a budget PCs you know.

>What the hell
I confess that I didn't really search for better prices

>just go on aliexpress, I got a short cable kit for my SF600 for like 20€, or have chinks jacked up prices as well?

would like it be better than necessary quality

>HAF XB
I really liked that case when I was at Microcenter, the included hot swappable bays are cool.

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but that's the thing, if you're just worried about gayman go for the i5 for virtually the same performance of the i7 at even cheaper price than the 2700X

But it ISN'T virtually the same performance, you're fucking meming if you honestly think that.

Well I guess you could, it's just slightly more future proof. Some games can already use 8 cores, if you plan to keep the CPU for 3-4 years I think 9700K is a better option if it fits the budget

That's what the benchmarks say...

It isn't about Intel not being a feasible high-end (gaymen) solution, it's about OP being a retarded faggot and writing whole blog posts about mundane issues which could generally fall under PEBKAC, while apparently having too much money to throw around.

People like to pretend that AMD's single-thread performance is absolute garbage, when in reality, that 20%, or even 30% bump from a 5GHz 8700/9700/9900K isn't going to do shit if your applications run like garbage anyway. You'll now have 24-26 instead of 20fps, woohoo. It's only useful for 120 or 144Hz targets, provided the game runs well enough.

And in the same way, you can get a 2600(X) with virtually the same gaymen performance of a 2700X. Most games still don't utilize cores very well.

>But it ISN'T virtually the same performance
Yes it is: techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i9_9900K/12.html

Aside from workstation tasks, the only reason to get more cores/threads is to have more of an overhead for multitasking, if you want to run something else on the side. And "future-proofing", provided you want to take a gamble. Although moar coars definitely seems to be the way now, with Intel jumping on it as well.

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>virtually the same gaymen performance of a 2700X

oof

Try harder

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that's not the point :)