[BOMBSHELL] Shit has hit the fan for Duckduckgo!

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1) Gabriel Weinberg, the founder of DuckDuckGo, used to run the Names Database Source. This was a website that aimed to connect people who had lost contact by gathering lots and lots of e-mail addresses. Getting access could be done by either paying money, or submitting lots of e-mail addresses of other people. Since the service revolved around gathering personal information, it is very suspicious for Gabriel Weinberg to start a business that is privacy-oriented.

2) DuckDuckGo is based in the US. This makes it really easy for the NSA to compromise it. If it were based in the EU, for example, the NSA wouldn't have the legal power to force them to log everything without telling anyone. This wouldn't guarantee privacy, but it would make it a lot more plausible. Instead, they're based in the US, which means that the NSA can do whatever they want with them. There are secure search engines that are not based in the US.

3) DuckDuckGo is partnered with Yahoo which is owned by Verizon, a company that repeatedly pushes for repealing net neutrality and sells people's data regularly. They are also partnered with Apple, a PRISM member, for their maps platform.

4) They clearly advertise that they are open source over and over again when they are in fact just partially open source. The code of the core components, which is the MOST important part, is proprietary. That means we have to take their WORD for it... y'know, the word of someone with a shady history. And even IF it was open source - how can we verify that their servers run the same code?

5)They've been in some controversies in the last weeks by claims that they track their users although honestly it could be just a false alarm however we have to take their word (again) for not tracking users. source.

Alternatives: Go with Searx (FOSS and decentralised/not USA based) or Qwant (EU based). There are other good options but these are the best.

>DuckDuckGo is based in the US. This makes it really easy for the NSA to compromise it. If it were based in the EU, for example, the NSA wouldn't have the legal power to force them to log everything without telling anyone

Do people really believe that? EU is basic US soil

>If it were based in the EU, for example, the NSA wouldn't have the legal power
HYPERLUL

isn't this all old news

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yandex

8ch dot net slash tech slash ddg.html

Anything we didn't know?

Imagine feeling so smug about being 3 years behind your double self.

Reminder that Searx is NOT a search engine.
It is a metasearch engine. It does none of the searching itself. If you are using Searx, you are really just using Jewgle, Yahoo, Duckduckgo, Bing, etc, all at once. Why people thing Searx is a "Open Source search engine" is baffling to me.

The author of that image is a complete and utter moron.

People just repeat whatever shit they read online. Im sure most people here just use google.

In other news, water is wet.
>A mysterious startup appears out of the blue.
>A duck in a bowtie, run by a Jew.

>He promises privacy to respect your space.
>But did you take note of the methods in place

>A U.S. company, your privacy sworn.
>In 2010 markets a Tor service (for your porn).

>Year later it mentioned in Time Magazine.
>"[It's] like early Google," the author did preen.

>"We do not track you," the Duck says as you choose.
>Just remember: he's tracking the search terms you use.

>And the location data;
>Though not your IP.

>But they get ads from Bing,
>but don't you think that *they* see?

>Hosting their servers, guess who? Amazon!
>Do *you* trust their cloud, are you a *moron*?

>Now threre's auto-suggestions.
>*Think*, how does *that* work?

>You trust that you're safe?
>I perscribe you more lurk.

>You hopped off of Google, that was the plan,
>But you've jumped out of the fire and into the pan.

(((antisemitism))), while a retarded rebuttal, is probably why this message didn't catch on. Outside of taiwanese underwater basket weaving forums, that's often considered enough to dismiss an entire message despite its otherwise truthful and damning evidence.

How so user?

BASED

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>A Jew doing Jewish things
>Not using Archive.is and linking to Reddit instead.

No, it's mostly that people just don't give a shit. 99% of people use Google anyway.

I mean amongst the privacy-minded. There's a lot of people who will suggest duckduckgo as a "private, non-tracking" alternative to Google.

Dear Google gew
please fuck off
you are citing a source owned by conde nast
google and Conde Nast have huge similar corporate interests

wwd.com/business-news/media/google-said-partnering-with-conde-nast-for-november-covers-1202788159/

mashable.com/2017/01/24/google-pr-responds-conde-nast-acquisition/?europe=true

((weinberg)) is already a huge red flag from the start and some anons still bite it
i'd rather keep using google search and dilute my searches with other million ones

no
it's just some 8 chan copy pasta anyway

>Weinberg
oh no nonononoo

Old pasta from 2009.

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DuckDuckGo&oldid=295812178

UserAgent and IP are obviously public when you browse the internet, adding that shit as proof of botnet is being another level of retarded.

>linking r*ddit
Go fuck yourself, retard.

>(((Gabriel))) (((Weinberg)))

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I really didn't find it worth my time to include in my original post, but I guess since someone asked...

1. All of the info regarding the founder, the polices, etc. is whatever, didn't make my assessment based on that.
2. The "Nginx" graphic is retarded for a few reasons. First, it implies that SSL terminations are inherently unsafe and/or malicious. This is completely standard in industry and is used for normal processing -- besides that, you are already sending them your data anyway, the transport layer encryption is removed once it's received anyway. Secondly, the author implies that because "Wikipedia uses Nginx as its SSL termination proxy" that it means that DDG uses it for this same exact purpose since one of the hosted pages reports being Nginx. This is super retarded because Nginx does a shit ton of things and there is nothing in the image suggesting that they have it configured for SSL termination.
3. Language nitpicking: "pretty safe in our opinion" --> All levels of security are still insecure to something, what level you want is a tradeoff in usability and other things; there is nothing wrong with having an opinion to say that something is "pretty safe", eg., "this may not protect you from nations that spend billions of dollars in spycraft, but will stop the scriptkiddie on the free wifi from getting your banking info". Also, search history does not constitute personal information unless you go searching for your SSN or something equally dumb -- the author does not understand (or is ignoring) this distinction.

cont...

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4. Affiliate codes -- This is pretty much just adding "this came from DDG" at the end of the Amazon URL you click on. This doesn't have anything to do with personal information. The most that can be gleaned from this is that if you purchase a product from such a link with your real name, address, etc., then they can tell that Joe from Texas clicked on a link for a teakettle that originally came from DDG -- there is room for plausible deniability as to whether or not he ever visited DDG or simply had the link sent to him elsewhere.
5. Specific queries: This is the real icing on the cake, that makes the author king of all retards. Every single time you visit a web page (unless you go out of your way to disable it, like extensions) you send your user agent and other information. When the author queried "what is my user agent" it is literally just showing the information he sent to make that search -- it's just send back what he sent. This doesn't prove they're keeping track of it, storing it, calculating anything, etc. Your IP address? Yeah, you send that too every single packet because how else will the server know where to send the response? Again, this doesn't prove they're storing anything. Returning a location is just taking that same IP you've sent them and doing a lookup for what company owns that IP address which is public information. It's like being startled by someone knowing you live in Beverly Hills when you tell them your zip code is 90210. Fucking retard, seriously.

What's the best way to gather sensitive information about people?
Start a 'privacy enhancing service' like a vpn, search engine, email provider, ''encrypted'' chat service, etc.

>Also, search history does not constitute personal information
Yes it does.

Okay but like, why would I care who sees my searches?
>ryzen 1700 vs 2600
>moonlight reviews
>where to go valentines day
My last 3 searches

>(((Weinberg)))

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Personal information is information that relates to your person. You can make search information personal if you also record personal information and store it along, but storing that "porn" was entered as a search term at a certain time is not personal information.

>trusting someone called (((weinberg)))

>1
>Website used to find people who has lost connection in the past by doing search on e-mail address usage
I don't see anything suspicious about it, or nefarious.

>2
>US based
Okay, how is that an issue? We are a country of laws, not of men. If DDG is asked by the courts, it will have to comply, but it will be public. A non-issue.

>3
>partnered with yahoo
Okay. Yahoo also is hosted in the US, Area 51 is in US. Aliens exist. WOAH

>4
>Open Source
Valid reasoning. Could be suspicious but still there isn't a reason to doubt it.

>5
>some controversies in the past week stirred by some random bullshitter making the same claims right now
Nonsense.

>Alternative
Heard of Searx before, Qwant, haven't.

TL;DR literally brainlet "bombshell"

>Shit has hit the fan for Duckduckgo!
this is known for years already

>Why is it that when these posts are made (last week it was about Brave Browser) that they are posted to 4-5 subs at the same time? It just makes it seem like a slander campaign.
based Jow Forumstards being transparent as fuck with their pathetic attempts at swaying public opinion

old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/aqzdmu/the_history_of_duckduckgos_founder_is_disturbing/
Even GNU/Linux fags are seeing through your shit

>If it were based in the EU, for example, the NSA wouldn't have the legal power to force them to log everything without telling anyone.
AHAHAAHAHA. Remember when the NSA tapped the German chancellor's phone and she barely gave a shit?

>If DDG is asked by the courts, it will have to comply

Only true for US persons. FISA law says they have to comply with all requests regarding foreign entities, no warrants needed. If they don't cooperate, that's federal prison.
Judging by the "collect it all" mentality of US intelligence services, this obviously means all US based companies are forced to install government backdoors, which the NSA and all of their buddies can use however they see fit.
Just look it up, a few years ago Caspar Bowden lost his job at MIcrosoft because he flat out told their foreign customers that this is law and they must comply with it.

Now maybe you don't give a fuck because you're living in the US, but it still means there are backdoors everywhere. Foreign intelligence is just an excuse.

not really. it's kind of fragmented. just the way kremlin wants it.
yes, it's a meta search engine ie you send it query and it then sends your query to google and results then are sent back to you. it's kind of like a proxy. your data isn't sent to google as long as searx instance isn't compromised.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasearch_engine

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>A metasearch engine can also hide the searcher's IP address from the search engines queried thus providing privacy to the search. It is in view of this that the French government in 2018 decreed that all government searches be done using Qwant, which is believed to be a metasearch engine.

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Is startpage good??

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>Reddit
Please kys.
>Anons on Jow Forums warned you about this shit since day 1 of ddg (back when it was just a custom Google search).

>a fucking Jew is working to undermine privacy and personal safety
Shocker.

If you ever trusted someone with the last name of fucking "Weinberg", you're an idiot.

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nice

>HYPERLUL
Great source man.

>I don't see anything suspicious about it, or nefarious
You don't see anything suspicious about collecting a ton of data? Okey dokey.
>If DDG is asked by the courts, it will have to comply, but it will be public
*gags you*
Nothing personnel, kid.

Qwant is good.

>Weinberg

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is startpage good?

post your entire search history now

What the fuck am I supposed to use?
FUUUUUUUUUCKCK

yandex for pirating shit, startpage for the rest

>(((Gabriel Weinberg)))
wow that was complicated

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Okay, let's say I kept track of all the search terms I used. If there is nothing personally identifiable in it, what would that tell you? You get a list of strings.

nevermind... we're fucked

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Fuck this gay earth.

Collecting the data is the rule, not the exception. People neither log on DDG neither create accounts with it, so IF they collect data it's completely faceless and of lower value than that of Google, Facebook or anywhere really. So the theoretical argument against is that they're collect low quality data? And the argument for/against net neutrality is not set in stone as you fucking redittor make it seem. But by no means use DDG if you have concerns, but then again, merely using an alternative search engine is not enough for privacy online by no means.

tl;dr: even if you're right, it doesn't change privacy concerns of >100IQ people

You niggers know tech, right? Make your own search engine.

>reddit

Lmao are you literally retarded? The only thing the "bad" search engines get is your search query, mixed together with everyone else's queries. They have no way to track you.

Damn, startpage has been my go-to for a really long time. I guess I'll be using searx or qwant and dealing with the sub-standard search results.

Indeed it is old news, anyone who is not a tech illiterate newfag already knows about jewjewgo

Idk why OP is presenting it as some kind of revelation, maybe he is the duckduckgo shill that is alaways creating thread and this is just a false flag.

This. It's not fucking hard (considering that you don't need to "make" your own).
Literally down to putting together your own computer, and running grenade software these days.

>grenade = premade
Weird autocorrect.

Time to move to Russia/China.

Are you kidding me right now?
When you use a search engine that tracks, you can be identified by your IP and other tracking information that can be gained from your browser. That then gets associated with your searches and is sold to advertisers and CIAniggers. This is Google's entire business model how the hell do you not know this?

>the argument for/against net neutrality is not set in stone as you fucking redittor make it seem
Kek what? You saying there's some reason net neutrality is bad? Jow Forums truly is dead. >>>r/The_Donald
>merely using an alternative search engine is not enough for privacy online by no means
Of course.

>reason net neutrality is bad?
(1/3)
Net Neutrality is a big concern that a lot of anons have been talking about lately, and we've seen arguments from both sides of the issue.
One of these arguments is that losing Net Neutrality will cause websites to get throttled unless you pay extra to an ISP,
and even then, some sites may still get throttled.

This is a very good point, but allow me to bring up a separate issue that some autistic anons and people in tech
have brought up in the past that might actually have a relation to this Net Neutrality concern.
That issue is of website bloat. I've seen anons bring this issue up on a few occasions, complaining about the
inherent bloat created by Javascript and other related interpreted languages, libraries, and frameworks
being used on the web. These bloated technologies can also very easily be used to spy on us, which is part of
the reason for certain popular web browser extensions such as NoScript and uMatrix.

The thing is, it's not just people on imageboards complaining about this. Many people in tech have brought up
this issue as well. Our lord and savior, Richard Stallman, includes a reference to an article on this topic
in his "How I do my computing" article, saying that he agrees with it and that it inspired the layout of his site.
stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
The article is one by Olia Lialina, author as well as Co-founder of the Geocities Research Institute.
contemporary-home-computing.org/RUE/
In this article, Olia makes a case against Web 2.0. Although it does not directly relate to bloat, it does
bring up the idea that users are not creating their own experiences on the internet, but are merely following
the shaped experience predefined by the author, hiding programmability and customizability of a system.
She also brings up that old Web 1.0 maymays such as peeman.gif, despite their crudeness, offer more expressiveness

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(2/3)
than what is provided by modern sites. "because it is an expression of a dislike, when today there is only an opportunity to like"
It is my opinion that these shaped experiences also contribute to bloat.

Another person who has shared this sort of view is Maciej Ceglowski, who has released a talk/article
entited "The Website Obesity Crisis".
idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
In it, he explains that websites have become needlessly bloated, with one of his opening points being that a single tweet nowadays
is larger than a full-length Russian novel, and that even sites from Facebook and Jewgle that should be about reducing this bloat
are extremely and unneccessarily so. He also brings up the point of "Chickenshit Minimalism", or minimal sites that are still
overwhelmingly bloated due to Javascript shit.

This idea has been shared on Jewtube as well, with Bryan Lunduke creating "The World Wide Web Sucks", which has similar views as
the Ceglowski article.
youtube.com/watch?v=tefielQeHZY (now sadly deleted)
He discusses the immense bloat of a browser attempting to load a common website such as CNN.com, in comparison to great software
achievements such as the system used the Apollo 11 Computer, or the original DOOM. He ends this talk by suggesting that the web should
return to HTML. Even Terry A. Davis brings up bloat, although referring to software rather than websites.
youtube.com/watch?v=Ihli_guFhkU

(3/3)
So what does this all mean to Net Neutrality? Well if sites will be throttled, these bloated designs will have a hard time loading
on a slow connection. Hell, some people already have trouble loading them even with Net Neutrality!
But the idea of reducing the bloat and returning to an older web can have an impact here. If websites are throttled, owners will
still want people to come visit their sites. So a possible solution for them is to get rid of the needless Javascript, simplify
things, and thus have a site that will load very efficiently under the Net Neutrality-less internet.

I say that we use Net Neutrality as a means of killing off the bloat of the World Wide Web, and making it decentralized.
What are your thoughts?

Again, are you literally retarded, or just too lazy to read past the first sentence on wikipedia?
>To this end, Searx does not share users' IP addresses or search history with the search engines from which it gathers results.
From the dev's site (running your own instance):
>Removing private data means not sending cookies to external search engines and generating a random browser profile for every request. Thus, it does not matter if a public or private instance handles the request, because it is anonymized in both cases. IP addresses will be the IP of the instance. But searx can be configured to use proxy or Tor. Result proxy is supported, too.
i.e. it's the instance's IP the search engines recieves, not yours, unless you run your own instance, but in that case you can still use other measures to hide your IP.

>more anti-x propaganda

just because his last name is weinberg doesn't mean he is jewish. fuck off with your retarded conspiracy theories.

wait a second. I can't find this in their privacy policy. Was he trolling, or they have changed it?
startpage.com/en/search/privacy-policy.html

>inherent bloat created by Javascript and other related interpreted languages, libraries, and frameworks being used on the web.
That bullshit though. Actual js is almost never big. Modern websites are heavy because of the high-res images and fucking video backgrounds. As for js - almost all time spent on js is spent on fucking tracking. Actual code with react, for example, will be 100-200 kB at most and add maybe 20MB to the memory footprint in comparison with some old website that only has 20 lines of js. And modern web-frameworks are much more snappier than jquery.
t. webshitter

Es ist ein jüdischer Name. Kein normaler Deutscher heisst "Weinberg".

It's clearly a jewish name. No normal Germal is called "Weinberg".

t. Kraut

A lot of things can be gleened from your search queries, even if they're routed through a third party
I implemented search analytics for a multibillion dollar company. The mere fact you believe Google doesn't benefit from searx and startpage shoes how little you know

The only way to kill Google is to completely separate yourself from their services. And that's the goal. Killing Google

Still doesn't clear the question which "data" they hand over to government officials.

I have heard these arguments before and yes it could in theory work, but it's like communism im not sure how it will work in practice

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well, they say this, don't they?

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Why should you trust my search engine? Why should I trust yours or one from any other random person that goes to Jow Forums?

For all you know, I'm sending your IP to the FBI telling them you search for CP whether it's true or not.

God, what a lame smear campaign:

>1) [...] used to run the Names Database Source
Please visit his old website:
web.archive.org/web/20051020124932/http://namesdatabase.com/
As you can see it's just a extremely shitty social network to find people...

>2) DuckDuckGo is based in the US
Literally all the Internet infrastructure is compromised by the NSA:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_(2013–present)

>3) DuckDuckGo is partnered with Yahoo
They use their search engine, pretty much like StartPage. That doesn't mean the share your PII with Yahoo.

>4) They clearly advertise that they are open source
This is absolutely false, which is why there is not a single citation to prove this claim.

>5)They've been in some controversies in the last weeks by claims that they track their users
Source of this obvious bullshit?


also
>reddit

Bloat has nothing to do with net neutrality. Retards will bloat their websites using the latest javascript crapware irregardless of the state of net neutrality.

>What are your thoughts?
I think we could find a million better ways to kill bloat. Scrapping net neutrality is a terrible idea.

I searched for the quote from above and got to this site:

addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/firefox/addon/startpage-https-privacy-search/privacy/

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wow, these fucking lying cunts

>social network
Do you not see anything wrong with that, kike?

>The mere fact you believe Google doesn't benefit from searx and startpage shoes how little you know
I never said it doesn't benefit from the queries, just that it cannot use them to violate the user's privacy. But if you're such a genius analytics expert then surely you can explain how google would be able to break down all the shit coming from searx into individual users with any reasonable level of accuracy.

not really, if you need to pay more for higher amount of bandwidth then you will make your service less bloat, example of bloated service is Netflix which uses tons of bandwidth.
And if net neutrality doesn't exist the ISP can throttle the Netflix bandwidth, which will lead to Example Netflix making their service less bloat so they dont loose as much money.

I do make grenade software as well, yes

>DuckDuckGo is based in the US. This makes it really easy for the NSA to compromise it. If it were based in the EU, for example, the NSA wouldn't have the legal power to force them to log everything without telling anyone. This wouldn't guarantee privacy, but it would make it a lot more plausible. Instead, they're based in the US, which means that the NSA can do whatever they want with them. There are secure search engines that are not based in the US.

Implying the EU doesn't shit over privacy way more than the US, and also actively engage in policing speech.

They'll just charge you more for it. Probably through your ISP so you don't notice it.

You could make the argument that his time spent on social networking made him interested in privacy but I know that doens't really mean anything
All our shits being sucked up by the NSA anyway no matter what we use so what's the point

Then ppl stops using service

So if DDG is so bad what fucking search engine do I use?

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Was this the mobile Diablo fiasco?

Qwant, Searx or Startpage