Attached: 1549271086316.png (1038x797, 839K)
Why hasn't the breaker evolved at all?
Nathaniel Williams
Angel Sullivan
But it has, zoomer
Matthew Flores
if it aint broke dont fix it
Elijah Watson
spbp
Henry Lee
They fucking have you retard.
>What are GFCI breakers
>What are arc-flash breakers
Jaxson Price
They have. It's like a screw driver. You can get the black and decker kind and burn down your house, you can get the kobalt kind and get the job done, or get the snap on type and show your breaker panel everytime your friends come over.
Jace Perez
>no tandem breaker
Gavin Lee
My house was built in the 30s and doesn't have a breaker, it has some sort of ceramic plug on which you have to put on some cooper strands and it acts as some kind of fuse.
Juan Sanders
I had that too in my old house. The power company swapped them out for breakers for free though.
James Diaz
I had that in my 70's flat. I wonder how safe they are compared to the breaker
James Gray
>they bridged the broken ceramic fuse with copper
lel
Jonathan Cooper
>ceramic plug on which you have to put on some cooper strands
>>they bridged the broken ceramic fuse with copper
RIP
William Torres
desu the whole place was sketchy as fuck. The toiled flooded frequently, the water heater broke often, some windows were broken and replaced with clear acrylic, nearby there was some sort of research center with a giant chimney that sometimes smelled like burnt rotten chicken, I got sued by the downstairs neighbor because I "walked too loudly at night", and after the 2010 earthquake the doors got sticky and the floor became notoriously uneven.
Jordan Myers
Lol. If you have no idea, just keep your mouth shut.
To educate yourself, find out how fast RCDs turn off usually these days.
Afterwards plot the trigger time of a casual RCD on a time strand and compare it with a sine wave using your local net frequency and voltage.
As soon a there is some current loss, they switch off, they are super fast!
>but the good old circuit breaker has not evolved
Wrong. Higher switching capacity, more operations before failure, cheep af...
Dear reader,
If you say stupid shit like OP, you lack of knowledge or your country has not evolved and is unsing outdated technology.
Camden Green
>2010 earthquake
Chile or haiti?
Gabriel Campbell
Chile
Carson Cruz
It has.
Modern circuit breakers can trip significantly faster than ones from, say, 30 years ago (unless it's a deliberately slow tripping model), can handle much higher currents due to internal arc breakers (standard 18mm wide breakers can be rated up to 125A), and safety features like GFCI and overvoltage protection are now common. Most importantly though, circuit breakers became cheap enough that you can have separate breakers for every room or even every individual outlet.
Brayden Gonzalez
If it has a screw-in holder like this, you can throw the ceramic plug and replace it with a screw-in circuit breaker. They're usually shitty but far better than a handmade fuse.
Robert Hughes
This is the electrical box outside my apartment. It doesn't even have a lock
Kevin Wood
my parents house was made in 1959, and to this day (afaik) has ancient ceramic fuses
for the longest time i only heard about breakers in american tv shows, and i've never had to deal with them personally, so i'm not really sure how they work
Jackson Jenkins
1 breaker, doesnt this trip all the time ?
Daniel Collins
its fine as long as you dont put it too tick coper it still works
Josiah Jones
just how bad is your shit if you care at all how advanced your breaker is?
if it trips often enough that you even remember where the box is, you have bigger problems
i've never in my life had to reset a breaker
Josiah Foster
>something hasn’t evolved because it lacks a touchscreen and WiFi capabilities and is way too reliable
I’m taking a wild guess this is op’s attitude
Dylan Ortiz
25A x 230V = 5.7 kW. Unless I deliberately do something stupid like turning on multiple space heaters plus a washing machine, it doesn't trip. Also, the distribution box inside the apartment has smaller breakers/RCDs for sockets and lighting, those should trip first if something goes short circuit.
Josiah Russell
Circuit breakers with wireless capabilities do exist though
Grayson Parker
>leviton breakers
>not square d or eaton
Enjoy your house fire.
Thomas Lewis
>5,7 kW
Type C characteristics, so it could even be 8,3 kW for quite some time before breaker gets triggered
>RCD should trip if short circuit
RCD has nothing to do with short circuit, but I guess you know that already
Isaac Cruz
230V so I'm guessing you're not american but still only have a single phase supply?
Jeremiah Allen
Stuff like that doesn’t intrude on the normal operation of the breakers and is made with pure utility in mind, unlike if you decided to let some zoomer in silicon valley design a house breaker panel
Anthony Rivera
They're combined breakers/RCDs like this.
What kind of household appliances require a 3-phase supply? Unless you have all-electric heating, there's no point.
Ayden Scott
Oh but that shit exists too
Jason Morris
Phaselets
John Edwards
>They're combined breakers/RCDs like this.
I know, and i like RCBOs. But still, RCDs hat nothing to do with over-current protection.
>What kind of household appliances require a 3-phase supply? Unless you have all-electric heating, there's no point.
Require? None.
But if you have a electric garage door or any other motor or if you cook with heat, 3 phases are good and useful.
And if any house is using all 3 phases then the overall load on the grid gets better distributed.
Jayden Flores
>But if you have a electric garage door
Well as I've said, it's an apartment, not a house. I cook with gas, but most electric stoves here are also single-phase - since a single substation typically supplies a whole city block with hundreds to thousands of apartments, the phase load can be balanced without the extra cost of wiring all three phases in each apartment.
Carter Cooper
>the phase load can be balanced without the extra cost of wiring all three phases in each apartment
That is an good argument. But here it is another situation and I think it makes sense to supply all 3 phases.
Logan Lewis
Why should it? Most people are stupid and it is best to keep it simple.
Justin Sullivan
>change the circuit breakers from black to gray
>"it's more approachable"
Is Jow Forums behind this?
Jeremiah Flores
You flip a switch if you overload it which causes it to flip off for safety. That's it.
Blake Russell
I think we should put twitter and facebook on all of our breakers. Like we did with the phones, cars and fucking fridges
James Sullivan
Circuit breakers and distribution boxes were changed from black to gray/white to make any arcing or burnt insulation immediately obvious through soot.
Ethan Wright
leviton makes good whole house surge protectors though
Brody Jones
hired as product manager!
Hunter Evans
This zoomer has never seen a fuse
Henry Torres
i didn't know chile is such a shithole?
Dylan Harris
Daniel Hernandez
looks like 3-phase in tho, hes tapping a single phase (the new-ish 25A on the red 16A cable), the black antique is doing fuck knows what and there be a phase free. Be np 3x25A, more dubios about earth and stuff tho. The fug is this anyway?
Michael Taylor
Looks like a penny or nickel would fit nicely.
Luke Evans
>house made in the 50s (it's old for California)
>my breaker has all sorts of weird shit going on
>Half the house has new wiring
>Half the house doesn't
>I'm running at least 2000w from one socket somehow and it's not tripping anything or generating heat or problems
>This socket is from the old wiring
>The breaker switches are linked for some and others aren't
>It's like a hack together job that still somehow works very well
>But if I run the vacuum, microwave and air conditioner/heater at the same time it blows the fuse
>But only for half the house
I don't understand how this works. I just know half my house has no groundimg ot ground pins even if it does have grounding and I'm asking to get fucked for it
Colton Thompson
Sometimes a breaker won't prevent your house burning down.
The power point was hot.
Christian Price
You'd think that being one of the last countries to get electricity would convey some safety improvements. Apparently it isn't so.
Carson Hall
what is that?
Isaiah Perry
you're pulling between 15 and 20 Amps. Old wiring was probably rated for 15 but can reasonably be expected to handle 20. You shouldn't add any more load though.
Ian Ross
Breakers work essentially the same as fuse boxes, if it gets overloaded then you just flip the switch back into its normal position instead of replacing a burnt fuse
Aaron Turner
sound convenient, but how often do you need to do that? it's not like pulling a fuse out and fitting new wire is all that hard/time consuming
Asher Clark
GFCI are garbage though I work with them all the time in industry setting.
Levi Fisher
The ones in the machines my company builds use ethernet so the software can monitor the breakers, current load, voltage etc. Makes troubleshooting much easier.
Robert Hughes
>Why hasn't the breaker evolved at all?
actually..they have evolved into a situation whereby, they now never need replaced, and altering them (by addition of artificial obsolescence) would be dangerous af, as your average Joe is better than 50-50 to toast himself trying. Thus, you accidentally ended up with the perfect product. It doesn't 'evolve' because, it doesn't fucking need to - it just werks, and 'improving' it till it no longer does, like they do with every other fucking thing, would bring too many lawsuits involving housefires, fried ded ppl and other unfortunate incidentals
Jonathan Cook
It stops retards from replacing fuses with coins
Logan Jones
Only very unusual situations, like what I've experienced.
My roommate has a monster of a PC. We're talking 1600 watt power supply here. On it's own, that computer is not enough to overwhelm a circuit, but if it was under 100% load for a sustained period of time, and if the rest of us were using our own lights and computers (the entire upstairs was on a single circuit) then the breaker would flip. This used to happen on a weekly basis, sometimes twice a week. I actually bought a UPS to guard my desktop against the constant shutdowns. Over the summer of 2018 though, he got his parents (they own the house) to hire an electrician to rewire the ENTIRE electrical system, telling them them it was "dangerous". It was done in such a way that his room is now on a separate circuit with No. 12 wire and a 20-amp breaker capable of handling 2.4 kilowatts. Needless to say it's sufficient and we haven't had another issue.
Jacob Adams
>rewiring the room
kek I replaced my 15amp breakers with 20amp when they kept tripping because of window ACs around the house
No issue since
Owen Lee
Unless you put in a thicker gauge of wire, my guess would be that it's dangerous to just swap out the 15 amp breakers with 20 amp ones. The idea is to flip the breaker if the electrical load is too much for the wiring to handle, not if it's too much for the breaker to handle.
Colton Anderson
All the outlets in my house are on one circuit. If I run the toaster oven and the microwave at the same time the breaker trips.
Charles Reed
>my guess
>guess
15->20A prob in the realms of the acceptable, when not exactly legal. Housefire, w/e + insurance may have some issues tho. Better just running another circuit/extension from somewhere less used
Charles Anderson
For most people there's no need. More advanced breaker panels have existed since the 70s.
Oliver Peterson
I don't understand any strange words itt but I feel that I should at least learn about electricity just in case.
Parker Morris
You are absolutely right. Fuses are just for protection of the wires.
Usually it won't get dangerous if your replace a 15 amp fuse with a 20 amp one. But if your house Burns down you are fucked and in debt for the rest of your life, because the insurance won't pay anything.
Kayden Taylor
i forgot that in the land of the amerifats you need three phase just for simple shit like that. my fucking sides. you also need three phase for quick charging electric cars as 110v charging takes fucking forever.
Xavier Morgan
America stuck with it's 110v grid, forever.
Or do you think they could handle to double the voltage?
Leo Allen
You're an idiot.
Carter Sanders
only burgerland could have so outdated af shitty looking breakers
Thomas Phillips
Australian power socket
Landon Rivera
not really, do a voltage drop calc first
Connor Campbell
BECAUSE IT WORKS
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR IOT-SMARTBREAKER-NODEJS-ELECTRON-ANDROID APP
Carson Wilson
These fucks are already expensive as fuck due to requiring GFIs and fucking AFIs now
They are so damn expensive you wouldn't believe
and for what? so you can survive a toaster in the bathtub?
Go fuck yourself
Angel Gonzalez
>survive a toaster in the bathtub?
more likely an Echo, or some similar creep BS they take bathing with them just in case a special on multi-carton toenail floss gets AUDIBLY ANNOUNCED
Joseph Williams
>didn't know the girl dead in the bath with her cellphone charger
you heartless monster
Nathan Davis
>schrack
This is going into my crimping compilation
Leo Adams
So you're saying we should be using rocks to hunt animals? This comment is the most retarded thing I read all day.
Xavier Flores
I had a shitty century old apartment once. if I ran the computer and the microwave at the same time the breaker would trip and id have to go down to the basement to reset it. bad times
Ian Morgan
In practical terms, they are not any less safe, but having to buy fuses and replace them is an inconvenience.
Cameron Richardson
lmao I've heard of people doing that to their cars but doing it to an overloaded circuit in a house is next level retarded
Anthony Thomas
GIGA
DRILL
BREAKER!