Bluepill me on why taxation isn't theft
Bluepill me on why taxation isn't theft
Carter Brooks
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Jaxon Morgan
In your country, it is.
Logan Moore
Fuck off ancap nigger.
Grayson Wood
I really like money.
Daniel Wood
It isn't in Switzerland?
>Finland
Haha, same dude
Jonathan Lee
Yeah. The people can decide, how much they want to pay taxes in their cantons. They can also decide, how they want the money to be used. The state can decide by themselves too, but if the people have a problem with their decisions, they can intervene.
"In accordance with the federal constitution, the Swiss people are the «sovereigns» of the country."
Joseph Parker
Ian Nelson
oops wrong thread
Julian Nguyen
en.wikipedia.org
"Because statutes can at all levels be made subject to a popular referendum, Swiss tax rates are in practice set directly by the voters through instruments of direct democracy."
James Nguyen
render onto ceaser what is ceasers
Nolan Reyes
Sounds like it could be a general improvement, though at the end of the day it's still government enforced mob rule.
Jackson Jones
A government enforced mob rule controlled by the people isn't enforced. If the people unironically don't want to pay any taxes anymore, we could start a popular initiative and get rid of them. In reality though, we know that the state, which we trust A LOT and we know keeps us alive, will die. 99.99% don't want this, why we don't start such a popular initiative.
Brody Parker
It's called a mob because a majority can always screw over a minority. If I vote for no taxes my entire working life, it doesn't matter and the state will take it out of my paycheck at the citizen's request through its coercion. But again, at least in the system you're describing you can move to a more conservative area that can directly influence the local government, so it's not so bad. That I like. It just still fails to not be theft.
Noah Green
would love to move to switzerland but it seems that the more based a european cunt is the more they hate americans
Xavier Powell
Levi Evans
Then fuck off. You can live somewhere, where you don't need to pay taxes. Oh wait, you first need to drop your American citizenship.
I heard there are some great places in Africa, middle East and other War zones where they don't tax you.
Everyone would love to live without being obligated to anyone. But that simply doesn't work out. I won't repeat why, and you could figure it out by yourself.
Tbh, my Freedom loving friend, we don't really like any foreigners, and our prejudice is pretty high. We don't discriminate though, especially if you're not a refugee (or refugee-looking).
You're going to face a lot of problem though.
1. Learning German is twice as hard, because Swiss-German can't be compared to High-German.
2. If you start out with a lesser-paid job (may not look lesser-paid, compared to other countries), you're not gonna have much money left at the end of the month. Very high cost of living here.
3. Staying clean. The state is going to be harsh to you when you're not a Swiss citizen. Also depends on how long you're living here already.
4. 12 years for Swiss citizenship; if you're below the age of 20, the years count twice.
Alexander Powell
money is a spook
Nathan Carter
stirner is a spook fuck off
Gabriel Perry
dumb spookpilled anarcho capiteenist
based
William Davis
it is theft, and the government is essentially a violent overruling force, but theres no alternative delete one another comes, best to have a ok gov and try to maintain it or overthrow it if its shit and hope the new one will be better, but chaos in general doesnt make for better governments
Robert Powell
If you're poor or a minority, it's not.