The UK government is trying to ban computer encryption because they don't like the idea of not being able to read its citizens messages and web traffic, I've also heard rumours that visiting the Tor website will immediately put you on some sort of blacklist for showing an interest in avoiding the government's eye.
Nevertheless I keep seeing this VPN service advertised everywhere, it's on football shirts and TV adverts. NordVPN has to be a honeypot right? There is no way the UK government would tolerate a service like this being advertised so openly.
The thing with big, and I mean actually big VPN-providers is that their IPs have already been figured out. You can browse web normally, no one can track you but most likely every service that relies on geolocation has blocked your loaned ip a long time ago, or banned it because some idiot thought he could do retarded shit with a VPN.
If they don't keep logs, they won't and can't track you.
Thomas Carter
I remember getting an IP from my ISP that had been permabanned by Jow Forums already for posting illegal shit, kind of scary when that happened...
Carter White
>implying the UK government has any control over a company based in Panama.
That said the sensible thing to do is connect to a VPN server in a non-five eyes country.
Jacob Thompson
>get a job at a tech company in the UK >they give you a company laptop >you go home after the first day and log into the network from home >hear some commotion outside >BOOM! CLASH! >the VPN police are executing a search warrant on your house >"you shouldn't have signed onto that VPN, kid"
Then they wouldn’t bother to bust people for anything, since it would ruin their multi million pound ruse. They’d use it to stop terrorism, etc. Besides NordVPN has been externally audited and the results are fully published. It’s completely logless.
Tyler Cruz
Based zoophile vpn
Jeremiah Hill
NordVPN is really good.
Mason Bennett
They advertise on national TV on my country so it's a big no go with nord
James Jackson
I don't blame them, with all them muslims there. Better safe than sorry.
Landon Anderson
>The UK government is trying to ban computer encryption I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the five eyes countries copy Australia. Where should I move to Jow Forums?
So? Having a VPN isn’t illegal why shouldn’t they advertise? Do you live in some shithole where the government has to approve what a private company decides to do?
> Where should I move to Jow Forums? Belarus. No computers - no problems.
Jaxson Murphy
It’s been externally audited multiple times and confirmed as logless.
Jace Mitchell
My government is currently talking about banning anonymity on the web.
Hudson Powell
What about PIA?
Carson Davis
But they can’t. And they can’t make VPNs illegal. China tried to do that and everyone still uses them.
Tyler Gutierrez
Probably just as good as NordVPN
David King
I'm not OP nor in bongstan, but when I look for VPNs they always have all these recommendations from media corporations who believe that free speech is hate speech and generally supportive of criminalizing thought crimes, so that always makes me suspicious
Aaron Allen
>no computers no problems
This but unironically
Jeremiah Bennett
PIA is based in the US. They don't keep logs though.
Aiden Reyes
Your ISP is probably just recycling IPs
Luke Fisher
PIA- logless but based in a five eyes country NordVPN- logless and based in a non-five eyes country
Eli Jackson
Stop shilling ShitVPN
Use Mullvad instead!
Lucas Flores
PIA confirmed logless, but based in USA
I've had no issues with them, even way before linus popularized them, and even with that they're still great..
I'm locked in a year subscription, but always open to seeing what's better, Nord is no exception.
they were confirmed as having claimed they were logless to the court/fbi, that might have gone differently if they were involved in a criminal investigation or servers were seized and it doesn't rule out them being under a gag order the guy also wasn't busted for that specific investigation for using pia but another vpn service so it's not a good case to use
Jason Sanders
>The UK government is trying to ban computer encryption Would the normies rebel when their credit card information gets intercepted each time they buy shit by internet? I could really use some sweet British money in my third world country.
Carter Bailey
Since this is a VPN discussion thread, Do you guys use features like PIA's MACE / NordVPN CyberSec, just use dnscrypt + pihole or adguard, or rawdog opendns / cloudflare / etc when using a VPN?
Jason Nelson
REMINDER THAT LOGLESS MEANS THAT THE VPN PROVIDER DOESN'T KEEP LOGS BUT THE VPS THEY HOST DO KEEP LOGS AND EVERYTHING IS STILL RIGHT THERE FOR THE GOVERMENT TO SEE!
Mason Jenkins
>The UK government is trying to ban computer encryption No they're not. Some stupid politicians have made knee jerk statements around certain events and talked shit because they're completely ignorant of how the internet works. They got laughed at and mocked by everyone that has even a little inkling into how the internet works and by organisations such as the Open Rights Group.
Successive British governments have a habit of knee jerk reactions to public opinion that fails to solve the root of the problem. The hand gun ban didn't stop people being killed by hand guns. It simply meant legal and law abiding shooters got punished. The semi auto rifle ban didn't stop people carrying out mass shootings. Derek Bird was the last one who managed to kill 12 and injure 11 people with a legally held .22 rifle and shotgun back in 2012. Once again, only legal owners of semi automatic rifles in calibres larger than .22 got punished after that ban. They regularly turn up in criminal searches however. The dangerous dogs act that specifically bans four breeds of dogs and "pit bull type" dogs, has failed to stop people being maimed and killed by dogs. There's more than a dozen dogs specifically bred for fighting I can own in the UK perfectly legally. The ban is nonsensical, but it was made at a time when pit bulls were still legal and owned by fuck wits who were fighting them and then the things were killing kids.
TL;DR, politicians don't know what the fuck they're talking about, or doing, 90% of the time. That's why they have advisor's. Patrick Rock is an infamous one who was David Cameron's aide and advisor on porn filtering. Who ended up arrested, charged and convicted for making indecent images of children. Politicians are the scum of the fucking earth regardless of the political way they lean.
Angel Hall
As fucking dumb as it sounds, New Zealand would ban certain uses of encryption (1) because everyone else did it and (2) if only to make cash off the fines imposed on it. Case and point, why do you think Customs Service fines 5,000 NZD for refusing to show them your loli-infested Gentoo partition but not confiscate the device? Easy cash.
Hunter Campbell
What said. Happened to me before as well
Samuel Torres
Nope. If you log into a log less VPN your traffic is completely anonymous unless five eyes have the ability to crack 256bit AES.
Ayden Davis
Explain
Carson Stewart
>TL;DR, politicians don't know what the fuck they're talking about, or doing, 90% of the time.
That doesn't somehow mean bad things won't happen. You ignore this idiocy at your peril.
Lucas Rivera
>That doesn't somehow mean bad things won't happen. Nobody said otherwise fuck stick. In fact, given the general incompetence of politicians, it should be a forgone conclusion to anyone that bad things will happen due to their ineptitude.
Xavier Ramirez
The VPN providers themselves don't keep logs, that's true. But the VPN has to hosted somewhere, and it's not suitable to use other peoples computers for large scale ops. So they need servers, and they don't want to/can't pay for servers all over the world obviously. So they rent into VPS's. Everything goes through those servers, just the same as it goes through the VPN hosted on there. These VPS providers _know_ what is up, and are often in kahoots with the VPN providers. They keep logs of it all. This way they can advertise to the users that they don't keep logs (which they don't, just daddy whose house they live in keeps logs.). And they don't get shut down by whichever government has a bone to pick with them, since they just get logs from the VPS providers instead. Everyone wins. Except the ones paying for and relying on the privacy VPN's supposedly offer.
Tyler Perez
Surely the VPS would just see encrypted traffic.
Charles Parker
based
Ryder Edwards
Nah they'd just get told that removing encryption is still a good idea but Russia has taken advantage and trained thieves on how to intercept our internet traffic.
I've none. But it more or less works like this, unless the VPN providers themselves keep logs and lies about it to your face. Which is also not uncommon. So you just have to choose who to trust. A stranger on the internet with no economic incentives to lie, or (((them)))
If it's done by the books? yeah. But there are many sites that don't support https still. And any traffic not going over a secure protocol is vulnerable. And https is still vulnerable to traffic analysis.
>If it's done by the books? yeah. But there are many sites that don't support https still. And any traffic not going over a secure protocol is vulnerable. And https is still vulnerable to traffic analysis. The VPS service used by your VPN is only able to see ip addresses of incoming and outcoming connections. It has no means of knowing that user A connected to site C or user B connected to site C.
Austin Diaz
>422,000 CCTV cameras in London. A fraction of which belong to the City of London, or Greater London. A number which is usually conflated from a flawed guesstimation bandied about on the internet. The majority of CCTV cameras in operation are privately held.
If people knew how often they were being watched by privately owned CCTV cameras, they'd never want to go outside again. Even your neighbours will have cameras overlooking their property. Every store you go into has CCTV. Every bank. Even the barbers or hairdressers or old coffin dodgers bingo hall.
>A fraction of which belong to the City of London Furthermore, the figure of 500,000 for Greater London is often confused with the figure for the police and local government operated cameras in the City of London, which was about 650 in 2011.[108]
Doesn't sound as impressive as 422,000 when you want to paint something as an Orwellian shit hole.
There's probably more privately owned CCTV cameras in the United States, simply through the sheer difference in population and property numbers, than there is in the UK.
>There are an estimated 30 million surveillance cameras now deployed in the United States shooting 4 billion hours of footage a week. Americans are being watched, all of us, almost everywhere.
And that's an article from 10 years ago.
Carson Taylor
And all that data is being hoovered up and stored in the Utah Data Center.
Matthew Gray
its sad that paysafecard is not longer supported, here where I live the only way to buy nordvpn is buttcoin/credit card, things like paysafecard were much more convinient and anonymous
Gavin Price
That shit is constantly shilled here, that is a massive red flag, so stay away from it.
>The majority of CCTV cameras in operation are privately held. Doesn't matter who owns the cameras if the government has access to them
Nicholas Flores
The Americans are fucked more than the English then.
Jackson Anderson
Why are you so obsessed with the americans?
Julian Jenkins
When using NordVPN and running Tor Browser to connect to Tor over the VPN, the guard node is ALWAYS a German one, even on multiple, completely fresh installations of the browser bundle. Is this something a (compromised) VPN could theoretically manipulate or am I being paranoid here?
Carter Green
Because they're the ones leading the charge of data surveillance. Look up the Utah Data Center. It's not just about archiving internet communcations but just about every type of electronics communications they can get their hands on. Country of origin doesn't matter either. Anything that goes through a line or server on the continental United States will be archived. And that doesn't include whatever overseas operations going.
To think that the UK is an Orwellian shit hole is to be pig fucking ignorant to the scale of the United States surveillance operations against its own citizens and the rest of the world. They're fed the illusion of being "free" because they're free to choose 100 different types of ice cream flavour, or 20 different types of cola. It's an illusion of freedom to mask from them the treasonous shit that's going on right under their noses, which are free to choose several forms of mindless entertainment to fill their lives with and bury their noses in.
Ethan Hall
Too bad for the americans then.
Caleb Rogers
>What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny ‘failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.’ In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.”
Jace Stewart
>"The audit report is now available to all NordVPN subscribers and free trial users." I am neither. Anyone got a link to the audit report?
Robert Powell
use sentinel the first decentralized vpn its in in beta but working very nicely (also for now its free to use) they have wireguard and socks5 integration
Ehh, I did that before posting but the only legit link was to their own blog which mentioned members could view the report. Found it on Page 3: imgur.com/gallery/ltp4u70 (too big to attach).
Angel Price
Guard nodes are a privileged position to mitigate a correlation attack on the network. There isn't a lot of them and they change every couple of months.
Sebastian Edwards
I used to have IPVanish, but moved to Nord as it was very cheap for a three year package.
When it works the speed is OK, but it drops out constantly. I wish I hadn't moved
Zachary Lopez
>too big to attach absolute state of chinkmoot "image" board
Isaac Rodriguez
It depends if a vpn uses shared ips and ram only servers than they really don't have much to go on.
Andrew Russell
>If
Benjamin Jones
They can and did, it doesn't mean much though.
Noah Reyes
HughesNet was like that on pretty much all social media websites including Jow Forums. It was horrifying.
Alexander Reed
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Luke Nelson
bump for science
Jonathan Johnson
Ive had this happen several time, once for CP, once for some guy shilling his homemade boardgame on /tg/, a few times for advertising bots as well. It gives me confidence that I have plausible deniability if the government comes after me (they have no reason to as of now) if I do something shady on the net, cos there are so many people that have had my ip before
Easton Howard
your payment IS a paper trail log you dingleberry
Colton Roberts
your ISP is going to keep a log of what customer has what IP at what time you will have no plausible deniability
Cooper Johnson
Ah gay, oh well, luckily I don't do dodgy shit
Logan Turner
Damned Anglo-niggers
Evan Rogers
1984 is UK, Brave New World is America. Seems so clear.
