/hpg/ Headphone General

any thoughts on hifiman sundara and he5se? I can try both at a store along with some beyers and what not

Both pretty bad imo but maybe you'll like them, you're not me

No bass general?

I tried Sundara. Too summarize the bass felt a little light but still fine for enjoyment probably one of the planars with less extension. I just felt really unimpressed with them. The mids weren't anything special and i felt like they were a little weird for me in a bad way. I don't know what you could call it but even though it measures similarly in mids to the other hifimans I wasn't impressed as the other higher end models. I didn't have a long time with them as much as the others since it just wasn't working for me. No idea about HE5se. If you're the guy with the $600-700 limit you are basically almost at high end pricing which is what I will move to after having entry level headphones since mid-fi wasn't impressive enough of a jump to me.

AMP before or after mixer? I want to mix two dac outputs and I'm not sure if I should go:
DAC1 ----> MIXER ----> AMP ----> headphones
DAC2 --------^

or:
DAC1 ----> AMP1 ----> MIXER ----> headphones
DAC2 ----> AMP2 --------^

Also, what exactly does an AMP do if gain is set to 1x? Nothing?

I used to think stax were ugly, but now I really like the retro aesthetic.

Could be a sort of reverse halo effect from their gorgeous sound, though. Like an average looking chick that fucks like a tiger.

my biggest concern is chink QC, if they sound shit i just wont buy em
someone here said they improved build quality on some newer models so they wouldnt fall apart but i dont remember which

thanks for the input. i was thinking of getting something more expensive but I'm just afraid of diminishing returns. i guess if i ever get a chance i can try stax. the place here has utopia lcd 2/3/4 1000se and some beyers and a bunch of noname expensive junk but these are all shit from what i hear
soooo i guess i can try and 1990s and 880s and if i dont like those just gamble on HD600 or 58x(eu so expensive)

>AMP before or after mixer?
after
>Also, what exactly does an AMP do if gain is set to 1x?
impedance bridging
you always want the headphone to directly "see" the output impedance of the amp

Bought the ATH-M40x the other day. How'd I do guys?

gud

Hey hpg, I just got my first amp (Atom Amp) to use with my k702, everything is working as expected but I have some questions

What should my windows volume be? Should I have 100% volume on windows and control the volume using the amp for best quality/sound?

Should I turn off the gain option in Foobar2000 and keep it at max volume/0db?

Thanks for any help

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yes to both

Generally it's advised to keep everything at 100% and adjust volume on your amp, but it doesn't actually matter do what you're comfortable with

pls buy dac

>please buy something you don't need so I can feel better about my purchase

Thanks. Got any good articles on the topic? I want to de-brainlet myself a bit and know what have you based your answer on. All I found via google is just some forum posts written in english even more broken than mine, not to mention half of the posts being deleted. I've seen various incomplete answers to those questions today, one negating another.

piece of mind for $120 isnt much
it also looks cool

$120 better put into headphone budget

dacs are part of headphone budget

nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html

Make sure the retailer covers your ass 100% if shit breaks, you probably don't want to pay for shipping to china in case things do go south.

Cool, thankyou

There's also a gain button on the amp that makes it much louder when I press it. Louder than I need. I'm gonna sound like a brainlet here but what's the purpose of it?

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only if your headphone budget includes wasting money on crap that hasn't been proven to be audible. might as well spend $200 on balanced cables for peace of mind. oh and a balanced amp with measurements far beyond what you need like the THX. wait let's go one step further, $1000 for the neurochrome

mostly for putting the volume knob into a range that's more usable depending on the sensitivity of your headphones.
some headphones will nearly max out on the low setting so use the high one
some headphones will force you to only use the first couple of degrees on the knob on the high one so use the low one
simple as that

yes, you can totally spend your money on anything

If you think the sundara is bass light the HD 600 I've tested and really not a headphone for bass but if you like vocals i guess its good. Stax on the other hand is good for vocal centric music too from what I hear. Personally I liked the hifiman ananda/arya/HE1000se more than Stax L700 and Sr009. But it's mostly your preference. I've heard people compare L300 to HD600. HD 58x on the other hand have some bass, probably one of the few sennheisers that do. 880s aren't bassy but someone here compared them to HD 600 and said he liked the HD 600 by a hair. Not really impressed on vocals for DT 1990 balanced pads but then again I don't really care about vocals the most in my headphones even though I do like weeb music. Utopia well I put it on for 5 minutes and put it down since it wasn't doing anything impressive like most focal products. LCD3 was probably the worst out of the LCDS I tried(2C,3,4,X). Maybe LCD2 would be best. Although if you have extra time it wouldn't hurt to try the higher end headphones to see if you want them in the future. I think sundara is one of the better quality hifiman products though. I mean if they have ZMF, or Mr.speakers it might be worth it to try them too if you have extra time.

or, you know, spend that money on headphones like an intelligent person

he already has a k702

>oh and a balanced amp with measurements far beyond what you need
What's wrong with getting something that measures well?
I own Topping Dx7s, but pretending that it's better or equal to ADI 2 DAC is stupid.

Some headphones need more power to sound as loud as yours. Just like tiny earphones don't need as much power as stadium speakers. The gain button switches from low gain to high gain, which basically just means more power for more demanding headphones.

plenty of better headphone setups than a 702

I think as long as your computers onboard dac is good enough you won't need one for a while. At most a external dac would give you a bit more power on your amp for the majority of newer motherboards.

So uhhhh

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>What's wrong with getting something that measures well?
nothing wrong with it if you've got the cash to spare and have already hit "end game" with headphones. otherwise that money should be put into headphones.

imagine a more extreme example, an user has a ksc75. you tell him he needs a dac and amp for it. he also should spend $1000 on them. it's just a dumb allocation of resources.

learn how to EQ, there's no reason to discuss bass. does it have a front seal? no? it's bad for bass. bad for EQ.

Why are st*x so ugly

because you can't see them anyway when they're on your head

inverse relationship between fidelity and beauty

huh doesnt look that way to me

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Enjoy being single forever

user! how's the 007 vs your lambda? are you going to pad swap?

why would you want to have people around when wearing open headphones

>2019
>burning your money on a woman and family
t. roastie

Pad swap? and the 007 is so much more detailed than my lambda

pad swap them with zmf pads. they improve the sound and comfort a lot apparently
superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/stax-sr-007-mk-2-5-sz3-possible-mods.1776/

>SBAF
no thanks
also i have Pre SZ1 so im good and i have 3 pairs of spare pads anyhow came with the headphone

it's a link to measurements you retard. not sure why you wouldn't try to experiment to improve your headphones

because uhh mine arent the SZ3 mine are the OG 007mk1 so uhh no mods needed

what is a good non-isolating wireless headphone?
its not for listening music just need one to move around the house whule audiobook or podcast plays

you are making no sense. they use the same pads, the stock pads are likely garbage. there exists potential for improvement.

OK so what part of I dont need to mod the headphone with extra pads or some other shit didnt you understand thats what im saying and yeah there is potential to improve everything so what

ZMF is so comfy

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no shit you don't need to mod a headphone. it's optional. so what? there's room for improvement, you should attempt to try to improve it. here's a good example. EQ is optional, the 007mk1 has an easy zero effort improvement by doing a bass boost shelf by 5dB. are you going to not do it just because it's optional even though it takes little effort to do so?

that would make no sense to say you're not going to do it because you don't have to. no shit you don't have to.

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Reminder to buy speakers if you have the space. Reminder that speakers offer a true, realistic and accurate life size sound stage, imaging and dynamics. Even a $10k headphone system will get dumped on when stacked against a modestly priced stereo system.

If you disagree with me you’re delusional or ignorant. Children who still live with their parents need not bother responding. Yes, we understand your “living situation” doesn’t allow you the privilege of speakers.

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What small mixer should I go with for 2x D30 and O2? I think I'll move dacs to the back (once the other one arrive) and zip the mixer in the current place of D30. I want it to have I/O panel on the back and knobs on the front so that I can control it in the same way I control my O2. As you can see in pic related, I need 2x RCA ins and 1x RCA outs in the mixer.
Unrelated note: HD600 are ten times less comfy to wear than HD598.

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>If you disagree with me you’re delusional or ignorant
I live with my handicapped parent that I am a caretaker for and can't use speakers.

Keep talking down to people with your grandstanding I'm sure you'll win people over to your side.

What is a solid DAP for $50 or less that i can buy domestically in the US?

Can't have phones out anymore at work, but mp3 players are alright. I'll be pairing it with ATHM40x's.

i dont have the amp power to implement an EQ for my stax my 006t is already kinda wooly on the low end when i listen to some music

>Unrelated note: HD600 are ten times less comfy to wear than HD598.
Agree with you there.

>006T
>not enough power
[x] Doubt.

How far up on the knob do you get during average listening levels?

I only listen to vocaloids. Am I stupid if i spend thousands on my setup?

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no, do what ever you like

Looking for wireless IEMs with 8+ hours battery and good call quality. ANC is a plus.

>Budget
CA $200
>Location
Canada
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
Wireless IEM (not "true wireless" )
>Comfort level
High
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Sony MDR-V6 - current headphones for at-home use. happy with these
Jaybird Freedom 2 - lost the battery and looking for a replacement with better sound quality. was otherwise happy with these
SoundMAGIC E10 - went through three broken cables before switching to wireless. was otherwise happy with these

>I only listen to vocaloids
>Am I stupid
yes

>piece

Also, the cable is fucking dumb compared to what HD5x8 series offers. HD600 remastered when.

Amp: JDS atom
DAC: Topping D30

what is the old thinkpad of headphones?

>he thinks sbaf measurements are credible

I mean will I even hear a difference tho?
I know. I'm a double digit IQ retard. Thanks for your compliment user.

>the cable is fucking dumb compared to what HD5x8 series offers. HD600 remastered when
yeah thats true too. I didn't really like hd 600 series so im free from that there.

dt770

>he thinks any measurements can be taken at face value if it comes from a "credible" source
go pm oratory about how much you want to suck his dick, fag

Yes, but so am I

I listen to youtube videos recorded on a smartphone with a LCD-4 and GS-X mk2

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depends

4-5 and after 5 the bass is really loose

dt770

That's a yikes cringe and oof from me.

>sbaf user in charge of reading comprehension

well, it could because of the tubes and gain compression. I was using it to make a point. You should at least try things, a better reason would have been because you don't want to spend the money on pads. I get that. Try a bass boost, see if it still sounds "wooly". Doesn't hurt to try.

>biased enough that he disregards conversations on the other side of the aisle
>prefers his safe zones like the subjectivists
sasuga budget objectivists

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>Schiit’s multibit DAC
>AD5547 DAC chip
>16-bit

Get fucked

Can you elaborate please?

how is 'literally anywhere that is not sbaf' a safe zone

different headphones sound different so most likely you'll hear a difference there
with other things not so much

how does me linking to sbaf make me an sbaf user?

16 ACTUAL bits, unlike in D-S DACs that actually have 2-to-5 real bits.

Why Mike has a police escort there, and what kind of cops wear hats like that?