Let's be realistic about Linux for personal use

I'm considering building or buying a nicer PC for myself and running linux for personal use. I've used MacOS for personal computing for a long time but the new macBook Pros just aren't justifiable from a cost perspective. I want to upgrade mainly to run a 4k monitor and handle some more meme apps. I don't gayme but I'd like a nice visual setup to dick around with.

I know the linux kernel and GNU extremely well from work, which means I could switch no issue. That being said, I use linux enough to know how fucking annoying it is for personal use (in comparison to MacOS which just werks). Normally I consider linux for personal use a huge meme, but I don't wanna pay 2k for a new macbook and obviously wont use windows (I mostly code and browse internet, I'm not fucking writing code on windows).

Any of you unironically use a linux distro for your personal computing? Am I gonna get fucked by the lack of software that I use on the daily? Am I gonna want to kms when my fucking drivers work? Also linux is fucking ugly, any of you have setups that dont look like complete shit?

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Use ububtu. What are your actual needs for a computer? Unless you need some specific windows only software, it works quite well

user you will be sad when you want to edit video, edit photos, or edit music.

Enough indie games tho on Linux. Ubuntu is comfy enough for personal use imo, but at the end of the day Macs are the least bad.

well if you plan to use linux for art stuff your going to have a bad time. But since you mostly code and use the internet your fine. And you should try Elementary os.

Lots of web browsing, occasionally reading PDFs, sometimes I'll use micrsoft office. Lots of writing useless meme code that nobody will ever use.
I guess adobe and micrsoft office wont werk. How are the replacements?
Ubuntu is really fucking ugly though, I always fire up debian instead unless I really have to (granted, this isn't for personal use). Do you think ubuntu is better for personal use? I just cant stand how it looks and find the layout to be ass. Also find debian commands to be more natual

Yea I figure these are fine on loonix
Yea I dont normally do these things, but I'd love to be able to if I ever feel the need. Is there really no good linux software for this?

>Am I gonna get fucked by the lack of software that I use on the daily?

If you have to ask this then yes probably. When you use proprietary software daily it shouldn't be a surprise when they try to trap you in with vendor lock-in.

>art stuff
>edit video, edit photos, edit music
I have been doing all of these fine for years on GNU/Linux

>adobe software
>microsoft office
Do not use these, they are nonfree software and therefore the enemy of your freedom and liberty.

try kubuntu, prettier and kde is great imo
as for your non-free trashware, wine has gone a long way and a win7 virtualbox vm works wonders if you absolutely need ms office and can't get it working in wine
otherwise libreoffice gets the job done for me

I don't give a fuck about software being proprietary or not. Proprietary software drives innovation anyways. You think any of these opensource apps would exist if they couldn't be copied after proprietary software? Maybe, but probably not. I can't list off many free pieces of software that are better than proprietary ones (obviously exceptions here). I'm just your average consumer who uses what has the best value / useability. I'm not delusional into thinking I'm better because I use open source memes

Anyways, what software do you use for editing shit on linux?

interesting OS, I'll check that out

Man having to spin up a VM to look at ms office sounds like hell. Libreoffice is solid though, Guess I can use google docs for everything.

Could you have any more of a cuck mentality?

maybe, maybe not. I'm just another person living an average life on the planet. I just use whatever works best for the price. I totally get why people would be into the whole free software thing though, It's nice and has a cool community but I dont give a fuck about it personally

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>wearing tinfoil hats watching obscure porn on linux being paranoid of government spying

yes, he's the cuck

Absolute lowest IQ cringe meme that gets posted on this sub i swear
>I use
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t. ipajeet

It's free as in freedom not free as in price. There is no innovation in a restricted nonfree market, which is exactly what proprietary companies want.

Just use Windows if you're stuck on Adobe/MS Office and you don't see anything wrong with what those companies are doing, and you see the need to constantly apologize for them as you already have.

When you say it's fucking ugly, you are criticizing the desktop environment (DE)

any DE can look good with proper mods, you probably should just go with Linux Mint Cinnmamon though, it's default pretty.

>It's free as in freedom not free as in price. There is no innovation in a restricted nonfree market, which is exactly what proprietary companies want.

and when you get a job and need that proprietary software you'll stop pontificating

I have no problem doing any of this under linux. The only people who can't do these things under linux are either meming or too lazy to learn how to.

I'l check it out. I'd like to see how modifiable the DE can be. I do a lot of work on a linux based OS, but never touch the DE so maybe I'm missing something here.

ahaha you sound ridiculous. The real only innovation in the open source community comes when companies work on open source software or make their software open source. It's not great but devs dont like to work for free.

I don't want to learn how to use anything non posix compliant. I guess I could give windows a try but it would be a massive learning curve

How many jobs require you to use Photoshop?

Okay, I'll be realistic.
I have a MacOS laptop, thin client (mac mini) and all-in-one (iMac), although the iMac has sat in a box for the last year since I moved, and even a fucking iPhone, since it was a gift.


All my embedded devices (Intel Edison, OPi) run linux. All my old phones run linux, my security cameras run linux, my virtual servers hosted by google run linux.

If I need work done, and I can't do it in unix, I run linux, or connect to the nearest linux system.

Except on phones, where linux works great (termux is a godsend), just use whatever OS best suits your hardware.
For me, that's MacOS, because these fucking things just last forever.

You sound like an idiot. What exactly does most of the open source software copy? What's mpv a copy of? Apache? Chrome? WordPress? Android? The best you can claim for software that just copies other shit is GIMP and probably the video editors.

Right im in the same boat, I have a lot of embedded devices running linux, quite a few hosted VMS, and I mean fuck I literally write OS code on the daily built on linux.

Fuck man, sounds like I should just fork up 2.5k for another macbook pro even though my 2015 one is fine aside from the lack of 4k support. Hows the Mac mini? Could get that instead of the macbook pro

>mpv
Look man, you can pull any open source software out of your ass and ask what it copies. None of them are "copies", but generally proprietary applications come out with the features first and then they are eventually put into the open source version.

Of course this is different when you have open source software like apache, docker, etc where its in a companies best interests to support it.

Also dont call me an idiot fag!!!!!111!!

>job search engine keyword photoshop
the reality is the overwhelming majority of all tech jobs use proprietary software for their workflow save some specializations i.e firmware/embedded/scientific and even they use office online or whatever

>macshit
>last
Ask me how I know you shit in the street.

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The majority? All tech jobs use proprietary software for their work flows

>provides no examples
OK then, just buy a Mac, you sound like you love things up your ass amyway

you missed open source devs

>buy
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>I'm not delusional into thinking I'm better because I use open source memes
you're delusional for entirely different reasons, mate

>video
just a flat yeah, the situation just sucks
shotcut exists
kdenlive is famously unstable
...I heard Blender has a video editor?

>photos
gimp does kinda blow
I use gimp literally every day. It's not nice, but I'm long since used to it, it runs on everything (like, I've used it on my phone), and it's decently featureful, if clunky.
it's reasonably decent for actual photo modifications
if you're a photographer, I've heard good things about darktable for non-destructive image processing, but I've never used it myself

>music
honestly, I just use Renoise (paid software) and Milkytracker under Linux
had issues like ten years or so ago when Ubuntu was switching to pulseaudio
but in recent memory, it's just been smooth sailing

>mac
kinda actually sucks too
every time I boot macOS, I'm reminded, "this would work better under Windows" when using proprietary shit or "this would work better under Linux" when using FOSS shit and I'd remember that the only reason I even bothered booting it is battery life

wherever the fuck you came from: go back

why do you need another mac

this is the dumbest post I've seen all week, good christ

>Lots of web browsing, occasionally reading PDFs, sometimes I'll use micrsoft office.
All seems pretty ok till here. Even msoffice now supports open document files and libre office support is 95+% there.
> Lots of writing useless meme code that nobody will ever use.
Perfect
>I guess adobe and micrsoft office wont werk. How are the replacements?
Adobe is a problem(unless you want to look for an alternative or use wine) as for ms office libre office works quite well, if you dont mind using chinkware wps office also exists which has perfect support.
>Ubuntu is really fucking ugly though, I always fire up debian instead unless I really have to (granted, this isn't for personal use). Do you think ubuntu is better for personal use? I just cant stand how it looks and find the layout to be ass. Also find debian commands to be more natual
There are a lot of flavours of ubuntu."default" debian desktop is xfce so maybe xubuntu is more for you.

A job that forces you to give up your freedom is slavery. I would refuse any job like that.

They don't need to work for free because it's free as in freedom not free as in price. The majority of open source code is written by companies.

>(I mostly code and browse internet, I'm not fucking writing code on windows).
Then a chromebook is exactly your speed. This isn't a joke, people use them for this exact purpose.
-Locked down like mac, hardware and ecosystem.
-App store.
-Simplified interface, cohesive.
-Non-standard keyboard like mac.
-Excellent battery life.
-Not windows, although if you have difficulty "coding" on other operating systems you may have difficulty on chromeos but I think if you relax on the ideology you won't have any issues.

>A job that forces you to give up your freedom is slavery. I would refuse any job like that.
you kids are so entitled you don't realize how easy you have it

>any of you use Linux distro for personal computing?
Android is Linux distro
What is personal home server
I use it on desktop too, but not gonna suggest to OP, by the seems, you're too retarded for desktop use
And, maybe don't even build your own computer?
How about you buy prebuilt one with windows 10 installed? Or get a mac
t. GNU/Linux elitist

Yes, I admit as a software developer I am quite fortunate that I can move jobs at will between thousands of companies and thus don't have to settle for ones developing proprietary nonfree trash, which is inferior.

But the other 99% of the population who aren't software developers have even more reason to desire free software, so they can avoid abuse from proprietary companies who wish to screw them over. Them wanting to receive basic respect from companies they buy from isn't entitlement.

>Lots of web browsing
Obviously that works the same way.
>occasionally reading PDFs
I prefer okular for this, it auto reloads when the file changes (as when you compile a LaTeX document) which is nice. It also remember where you were and does comments and the other stuff you would expect from a PDF reader.
It does some forms, but not all, but it is not a problem for me.
>Sometimes I'll use micrsoft office
That actually works fine. You need to install playonlinux and install it through that, but it works fine.
The only thing I have come across that doesn't work is all the clipboard features.
A good example is in Excel, you can make a screenshot through excel to make a high resolution image to put in reports. Normally, you can just paste this into kolourpaint, but you have to paste it into excel, copy the image again and then paste it into a Linux application so that is a bit annoying. But it works fine and there isn't a hassle in setting it up either.
>Lots of writing useless meme code that nobody will ever use
Linux is kinda built for that.

The whole distro debate is just a question of how and when packages should be updated. New users don't know enough to make a decision on this, so that is why they are told to try Ubuntu. It is the one with most online tutorials and it is fine for most people.

The looks are determined by the desktop environment (DE).
You can just go on YouTube and see some examples of what they look like and try them from a live usb.
I personally prefer kde as it have krunner, a better version of spotlight and a keyboard centric control style. Plus it have graphical frontends to most config files so you don't have to learn the names of every little thing.

You haven't moved between thousands of companies

if you have a real job you use proprietary software so either way you're lying

the 99% take what they can get to survive and have no concept/interest of digital freedom

as I previously implied, spoiled kid who hasn't faced reality yet.

Kdenlive have worked great for me, but I don't do video editing full time, I just do it from time to time to promote what I do at work.

I really like that it is basically just an application that builds a script for you.
It means that you can very easily take a new set of video files and have them be edited the same way which is great for a lot of things that require the same "format".
You can also do things like make a low quality version of the source files and then do the editing in one directory and then transcode it in the end with the high quality sources to make it faster to do certain things.
On linux, it is really easy to automate work like that.

Use Manjaro KDE and git oudda here.

I have moved between around 3 dozen companies at this point. Consulting is like that. The potential market is in the 1000s of companies, but I am limited by my own time.

And yes, this is my real job and I use free software. I don't know why this is hard for you to understand. Or do you think computers were invented solely for you to use MS Office, and nothing else?

>the 99% take what they can get to survive and have no concept/interest of digital freedom
>as I previously implied, spoiled kid who hasn't faced reality yet.

You are projecting really hard here. user, the first step in achieving freedom is in acknowledging that it is achievable.

>I know the linux kernel and GNU extremely well from work, which means I could switch no issue.

And yet here you are, asking beginner GNU/Linux questions like "can it work for personal use if all I do is code and browse the web?"

If you were actually familiar with GNU/Linux, you'd know it can easily work as a daily driver for these tasks.

Wait, are YOU unironically using MacOS for personal computing? The thing is basic as fuck and has no software despite what you pay for it, can't even do much computing. It is silly how apparently some adobetrash plus various half assed things are enough for some people, might as well suggest to use smartphones. It is also fucking ugly, toddler buttons rather than timeless elegant no frills tiled windows with no decoration to speak of.

But I'm not sure you can win here, if you were happy with that turd maybe IOS is really what you want next.

I'm a long-time Win user. My first distro was Slackware back in like '98, Redhat a few years later, Linux Mint back in 2011, all for about a year each. Not a total newbie, but nowhere near the skill/memorization level of of the Gentoo, or even Arch users.

I recently went from 7 to Mint Cinnamon (which I modified extensively. As in learned how to remove Ubuntu/Mint/Cinnamon/Gnome and put XFCE on without breaking anything. 400mb ram use cold boot. 3 monitor set up with Nvidia drivers + SLI and a fucking Broadcom WIFI adaptor, two different raid 0 setups.) and it's all fine. No crashes. No missing software. Everything doesn't "just work" but it only took me about a month to learn what I needed and get it as I wanted exactly. *Bluetooth is hardgay. Don't bother.

Software availability is great, stability can be good (with some tinkering) features, eyecandy and general use are all there.

That said, you're going to have to just go balls deep and hope for the best to get the most out of it.

The only thing that's kind of iffy for me is GIMP is 90% trash and I don't know what to do about actual video editing.

All of the distros I looked at were almost pure tard-bloat and I lack the ability to do a Gentoo/LFS build. The bloat coming from 9001+ being built from Ubuntu with some re-branding and theme changes...

Even most games will work now if that's relevant for you. (DXVK, Proton, Wine.)

I consider this a permanent switch for me, and can't imagine going back to Win now.

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Skip Linux, and use project trident bsd as instead.

>The only thing that's kind of iffy for me is GIMP is 90% trash and I don't know what to do about actual video editing.
Krita? And one powerful option for video is Blender.

> I lack the ability to do a Gentoo/LFS build
I did that on a ten year old laptop among other things, it's not demanding by current desktop computer's standards.

ugly you say? go to plebit /unixporn

you could always dual boot with windows