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IoT wouldn't be as much of a problem if the manufacturers changed the default passwords on their devices. It's basic security ffs.

what would you prefer op? an internet of nothing?

the idea that internet of things is a meme is just arrogant script kiddies taking out their rage. IoT really is a thing, but most people just don't take the time to figure out what it is. it basically means that almost all devices with networking are connected to the net and can easily be hacked.
sage an b&

An internet where my fucking fridge is not a botnet.

>t. iot """"""""developer""""""""

fuck you

Instantly hit a nerve did I?
Go play with your literal botnet of fridges and light bulbs.

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"""smart""" (networked) device that doesn't rely on distant server or third party service to work, and that doesn't use internet without a good reason to.

>"""smart""" (networked) device that doesn't rely on distant server or third party service to work
in the case of useful things like security cams you can see on your phone and a fridge that orders you groceries how would that work?

>I want smart networked appliances that are not on a network and don't send or receive information

>what is basic security
>what is vlan
>what is vpn
>what is a product that isn't worthless once the companies servers shut down in 3 months because the company went bankrupt
>what is not sending home 3TB of "metrics" every few minutes
>what is not having a light bulb with a microphone spying on you 24/7
And why in the fuck would you want your fridge to be """"""""""""smart"""""""""""" or directly connected to the internet ever?

>Industry 4.0
>Internet of things
>Big data
>Data-driven manufacturing
>Cloud computing
>Augmented reality
>Smart anything
>Blockchain
>Artificial Intelligence
>Mobile first
>Just-In-Time

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yes I'm mad you illiterate smug anime poster

Not my fault that you have been recently declared clinically brain dead and went into iot """"""""""""""""""""""""""development""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Also anime board you imbecile.

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Botnet of tat

>And why in the fuck would you want your fridge to be """"""""""""smart"""""""""""" or directly connected to the internet ever?
it could keep track of what you are buying and like to eat and how often so you could find cheaper more convenient or healthy alternatives

so many possibilities

Ah I get it you are either a shill or a data broker or something like that. In other words pantsu on head retarded.

>Ah I get it you are either a shill or a data broker or something like that. In other words pantsu on head retarded.
if someone had been keeping track of your groceries for years they could tell you things like "here's how to eat as much as you normally do yet still lose weight" or send you coupons for related competing items. The information could also be sent to your doctor so he could help you perhaps make better diagnoses

these are useful things that could be done, I am sorry that actually using data scares tech enthusiasts so much

>anime board
it's not, pedo scum

We already know what category you belong into.
Just fuck back off to whatever hole you crawled out from and keep buying """"smart"""" devices.

mad

Sure thing newfag keep forcing that shit meme maybe someone will pay attention sometime

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Truly a great argument for paying for shit spying on you selling all your data and being not even worth the cheap plastic it's made from when the servers inevitably shut down.

>being this mad
I love how tech enthusiasts are all about processor speed but against using data to transmit and analyze data even if it will do nothing but benefit them

>what if the CIA finds out what kind of ice cream i buy

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lmao reddit is upset

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>Blockchain
Why is everybody obsessed over this?

what if our corporate overlords statistically determine people who buy chocolate icecream are 8% worse employees and blacklist you from the industry

>implying I am a tech "enthusiast"
>implying there is anything to gain by giving companies literally all data about everything in your life including recording everything ever said in your home
Do your kind have nothing else but that straw man "hurr durr CIA" shit? It's been stale from the first time it was said and it hasn't aged very well either.

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>someone, somewhere has the seed of real, positive change growing within them
>one day they get a spark and begin working their way up through the ranks as some respectable professional
>decide to enter politics, even though they hate it
>campaign for real issues, not fake issues like King Nigger hope 'n' change
>threatens the interests of deep state kikes
>campaign disintegrates after glowniggers release his search history from 10 years ago
this is the real reason for spying on your own citizenship.

There's "two" "kinds" of IoT. First is "smart" consumer devices, which is nothing but a bunch of toys. This is what Jow Forums is rightfully shitting on.

The other, actual industry-grade IoT, is devices with a bunch of sensors that report back home via Internet. For example, you can keep track of a whole fleet of trucks, not only position but speeds, trailer weight balance, temperatures, etc. and have live data reading, generate statistics and reports, have notifications when some sensed values go out of a valid range, and so on. This is what most NEETs on Jow Forums are not aware of when they collectively shit on IoT.

Trust me, I'm a developer

The problem is that industry-grade IoT costs a gorillion dollars to put in place, and then another gorillion dollars to exploit, for not much gain in the end.
You don't get much more out of it than you would asking people to fill Excel spreadsheets.

You are full of shit user.
There are two kinds of IoT in theory.
In practise Enterprise controlling "IoT" devices have the same exact security flaws that consumer IoT has. It's the same shoddily at best implemented shit. Are there proper implementations? Absolutely, I worked on some myself for chemical plant surveillance and control after the "enterprise" IoT solution fucked up an entire plant. The absolute majority of all "enterprise" IoT is the same shoddily implemented shit you get as a consumer just with an even higher markup and the same claims of being the be all end all while posing nothing but an expensive security flaw. Not risk, flaw.

>The problem is that industry-grade IoT costs a gorillion dollars to put in place, and then another gorillion dollars to exploit, for not much gain in the end.
not that user but "not much gain"? are you kidding? even just using his example for $100 in hardware on each truck in a trucking fleet you could know where they all are and at what speed they are going at every second of every single day and how long each one needs till an oil change etc... you could catch your drivers napping or trying to drive too long at once

huge gain, massive

Damn, that account is a goldmine

>In my own anecdotal experience, Enterprise controlling "IoT" devices have the same exact security flaws that consumer IoT has.
ftfy
that does not conceptually make IoT same for consumer and enterprise markets

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>>Just-In-Time
JIT compilers is buzz word now?

Internet of stings.

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We are already on the next step, Internet of everything

>Rule 34 says: If it exists, there is porn of it. If there isn't, there will be. I'd like to put forth a new rule.
>Rule 35: if it exists, someone will put the internet in it.
Good quote.

>Depicted: Richard Stallman is battling Samsung botnet for you fridges freeeeedoooooooommmmmm!

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>Looks like you didn't renew your Wash Now™ subscription for your Samsung™ Cloud Washer. You can only use basic washes until you renew.
OR
>Your washing machine is out of support and will not wash due to the washing machine servers being offline.

IoT is paving the way for your fridge to function you need a subscription or it to be in "support".

RS-232 w/ Modicon MODBUS

>seething

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Went to department store to get a new tv the other day, couldn't find a single one without all this botnet shit built into it and

>Wifi washing machines
>Wifi fridges
>Wifi microwaves
>Wifi lightbulbs
>Tfw soon every single household appliance is going to have 5g botnet shit built in

Seriously considering innawoods at this point.

HOW DO I GET PAST ZSCALER ON MY CHROMEBOOK REEE

this, fucking god, THIS.
the industry is making billions protecting websites from raging packet spewing fucking lightbulbs and we call this progress?

Even if it was 100% secure, I don't want my fridge to send telemetry back to the manufacturer.

Fridge manufacturers can make a lot more money selling your eating habits data to advertising companies than they can selling fridges.

And don't forget forests will get 5G coverage as well.

the day a ""smart"" connected fridge is going to be accepted in my house is the day they figure out how to download beer.

>And don't forget forests will get 5G coverage as well

They are having to cut down trees in 5g rollout areas because the range is so shit and the towers have to be every few hundred metres, if you live out of a population centre you are safe from 5g for a long time yet

Just block the manufacturer's IP's and don't update the fridge? Like if you are going to use IoT shit atleast take proper measures and try to filter what goes in and out.

An internet of computers

cutting down trees prevents forest fires from spreading
i bought a cheaper bulb than an esp8266 connected one you retard. plenty of 'dumb' electronics

>Oops I can't connect to the internet
>Disabling cooling until connection is restored
It's only a matter of time.

this is why i refuse to participate in society

Because it's not actually all that useful lazy nigger. Make a fucking grocery list and lock your door, what the fuck is your problem.

This is such a useless phrase. "The internet" is already a reference to a bunch of interconnected devices. It doesn't even sound better.
>Here's my internet of things doorknob
>Here's my internet enabled doorknob
>Here's my doorknob that connects to the internet
This is dumb.

>Just block the manufacturer's IP's

Can't, it will have its own 5G chip.

Holy shit, does this guy wash his fucking hair?

The difference is these devices can also communicate with any other nearby IoT devices.

So if your washing machine in your basement doesn't have internet access it can, for example, make your fridge relay packages to your neighbor's smart TV which does have internet access.

That doesn't even fit with the name since it's LAN or mesh vs WAN. Besides, is that even implied by the name? We already have Bonjour/MDNS standards with labels and everything for branding, etc.

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Internet was a mistake. It's better off without it.

>link local only multicast horseshit
fuck off

Hey he didn't even use the word compiler you retard. Just in time is an abstract concept that can be applied to many business domains, especially logistics. Once your organization's business units have aligned incentives and goals, that synergy allows for just in time manufacturing to deliver your product at a lower cost and eliminate the requisite active forecasting for instance.

JIT is just word. Don't know where the fuck compilers came into this unless you're one of those Java Poojeeets

Say what you will but wifi thermostats have been a godsend in my house. Both thermostats are in stupid locations and being able to use remote sensors is incredible, as is being able to adjust them from my phone or computer.

We live in a society.

>JIT
my dick in your boipucci, just in time ?

>overwriting 35, another of the more important rules
der erwige neue kippen

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>when your fridge have a better social life than you
>"wifi microwave" ... I jejd

It's ironic that the only people who would have such a reaction to that device are the very people whom its depicting.

>link local
But it's not and there's no reason you couldn't relay data with this as the introducer to begin with.
What's your alternative? How do you think these IoT devices work?

>"""smart""" (networked) device that doesn't rely on distant server or third party service to work
>tl;dr make the attack surface on each and every device as massive as that of an internet-facing server
Nigger do you even infosec? Good luck building any kind of low-power devices with those constraints.

>wifi microwave
>goes down every time you turn it on

Oh cry me a fucking river also nice straw men there.
A "smart" lightbulb doesn't need a fucking server to be able to connect to a phone or whatever the fuck you want to control it with.
A "smart" fridge doesn't need a fucking server to function properly.
A "smart" juice press doesn't need a fucking server to phone home to in order to function.
A "smart" microwave doesn't need a server to do jack shit.
No and I mean absolutely no consumer IoT shit needs a server to function or phone home to. And no those pos IoT devices don't need surveillance or phone home for updates or whatever.
If you have a giant lipo battery in your house I can understand that you'd want to have someone keep an eye on it 24/7.
But just in case that the point didn't get across yet: A fucking lightbulb doesn't need a server to change it's fucking colour or turn on and off and the same goes for every other device too. And that especially includes enterprise devices.
You fucking imbecile, infosec my ass did you just hear that word in a Linus Shill Tips video or where did you pick that up you fucking larping consumer.

>don't update the fridge
Manufacturers already take care of that part for you. Consequently a lot of "IoT" devices are being in literal botnets.

>contributes to the fact you can smurf a website with toasters and light bulbs
>gets mad when mocked for being a socially destructive retard

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Imagine it:
>replace a factory-signed update with backdoor
>millions of fridges have backdoor now
>instant boomer icebox botnet for the PLA to hide in
>just as ching chong planned

Uninformed consumers killing the good guys when they support botnets. Same with electronics. Good guys die when sheeps buy marketing. How do we convince sheeps not to buy against their interest when they only trust ads and want instant dopamine (group pressure)?

We don't. This board itself is infested with consumers. There is nothing left to do but care about oneself. All we can do is don't buy this shit and keep it out of our houses.