ArchLinux is plain simple retarded

It's actually quite simpler now.

user im speaking about now

>muh sysvinit
>muh minimalism

The steps involved in installing Arch Linux are are skills every GNU/Linux user should comprehend.
They can be quite useful. Knowlege is power.
In fact, for the most part they've been simplified and somewhat automated in the arch install.
Arch won't teach you these skills, but if you already possess them, Arch isn't bewildering at all.

...

Werks on my machine(s).
Arch is a comfy compromise between customisability and autism, I like it.

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install manjaro, it just works.

The linux kernel supports the disgusting and obsolete by design. Let's see you get some flashy, bloated distro running on an old heap.

If you don't actually care how your system operates and just want "not windows" designed for retards buy a Mac.

the install ISO is broken by design to make it work you actually have to install the ISO into the usb rather than dd it, its a fucking joke.

their iso has outdated packages forcing you to update the repos but because its an iso you wont be able to make the write operation so basically its absolute trash.

They have to fucking fix this or put forward a proper guide not that half assed wiki shit, this just keeps happening again and again, happened with my raspberry pi long time ago, after i installed it i noticed that their kernel compilation had missing drivers.... just switched to debian.

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>having to learn how everything works
ye ok

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>arch
distros that are not debian or fedora are irrelevant

How's the install bad or retarded? it's literally
> format drive
> make however many fucking partitions you want
> mkfs."whatever the fuck" /dev/wtf/partition
> mount /dev/wtf/partition
> mount
> pacstrap base
> time to chroot bitches
> set up time zone
> set hostname
> install your packages and shit
> install grub
> config grub
> reboot ya fucking retard.

HOW DO YOU FUCK THIS UP!

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reminder: REDDIT loves ARCH LINUX.

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>pacstrap base
here
its trying to fetch 2.28 but the repos a much newer version but i cant update the repos either

oh shit forgot genfstab

everyone loves arch
also, stay there

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ADOLF HITLER loves ARCH LINUX

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this desu, if I wanted to follow instructions for a fully customisable os I would install gentoo

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arch linux is the retard man's gentoo

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Is this true? I've long been thinking to switch from arch to fedora or something else, because people always say how bad arch is.
Not that I ever had any problems in the months that I have been using it, but these all sound like valid reasons.

> Arch not booting reliably after -Syu

no fucking shit

no
use antegros or any other "derivate" that is basically just a gui installer and pure arch after install (with some own repos for useless stuff like icons and wallpapers)

Works fine for me, pretty comfy too.

the retarded part is that you have to do all of this through commands and not a gui. I've been using linux since the 90s. I don't have all that shit memorized because I don't need to install more than once every few years. so I have to walk step by step through their wiki to make sure it's all in the order they want it and nothing gets fucked up because of how their install scripts work.

if you're new to linux I can see why it would be interesting, but as a veteran it's just a waste of time on pretty stupid bullshit. instead of the developers taking the time to use any number of pre-existing install guis they made every user waste their own time. but it's the best distro atm so they can get away with it.

Or stop being a retard and install anything not based on fucking arch

If you're the kind of person who gets excited for newer version numbers even if the feature is just an added Swahili translation or something, you can stay with Arch because it's for you. If you're cool with being one of the very first people who try on a new build, good or bad, and then having to spend time figuring out why things don't just work, that's Arch.

If you're the kind of person who has a few favorite programs you follow closely and/or want to selectively pull in from testing repo, but you want most packages to be tested for 36 hours or so and signed off on before they reach you, give Fedora a try.

If you like the occasional glitches and bugs of incrementally newer software but want to contribute your fixes to the community, try Debian Sid.

I forgot the last part of this post: If you're the kind of person who thinks "development news" is a boring subject, use Ubuntu or Fedora or even MX Linux. Cuz really the differences to these "philosophies" boils down to how interested the user is engaging with the development community. Not surprisingly, people looking to software development communities as a friend circle absent in their offline lives will gravitate to something like Arch.

You guys could save yourselves so many headaches by simple installing Debian stable with backports enabled and appimages. Unless you really really need the newest software possible of course.

That guy is retarded.

>have to resort to ad hominem because all of that is true

not retarded, autistic

>>have to resort to ad hominem because all of that is true
His complaint is literally "I don't like SJW in my community".

>installing arch
after reading 200 manpages finally have my fresh system ready and perfectry riced, go to bed, wape up in the morning: pacman -Syu, system broken, try to remediate but end up fucking up things even more, systemD print cocks in the logs, give up and installing ubuntu.
>installing gentoo
start reading the manual, 5h later still on page 1, waiting the compiler. need to fap, rebooting and install ubuntu, in 5min already on jewporn.
>installing void
20min your riced, systemcuck free system is ready, your desktop is already on Jow Forums and people like it, fap, go to bed, wake up in the morning: xbps-install -Suv, in a matter of seconds your system is up to date and more stable than ever, life is good, people call you a brony but you know they are archfags shitphoneposting on Jow Forums becouse pacman cucked their xorg config and gentoo neckbeards posting from their secret windows pc that they use when their "main" pc is compiling (22h/day). you dont care, life is good in the void.

sjws ruin every community, that was the most accurate point he made

>pacman -Syu
i use this command every day, why does it break your OS?

It's okay if that's your opinion but it has nothing to do with technology nor arch linux, telling someone that arch linux is bad because its community has SJWs is childish and not an argument.
I mean, I understand that Jow Forums is for teenagers that love sharing "memes" but thinking that anything written there was true is a new level of dumb.

does anyone here use parabola?

Not him but the meme is true only if you leave your arch system outdated for months, which is usually not the case for Arch user.
There were two times in the past where I forgot to update my system for a few months and after 5 min of running pacman -Syu, my system died. Same thing happened to my friend too.

because arch is maintained by degenerated incels that are pushing worse code than what you find in the aur

arch is a reddit distro. if you cant install gentoo you are a bitch and should not try to act like a badass because you installed arch.

its happened to me as well, with old machines I've tried to resurrect after not using them for a while. it's basically impossible and you have to just reinstall.

well im one of those that forgets about updating his systemd for a month or two and it never happened

>updating his systemd

>implying that its not what you do now days.

>the meme is true only if you leave your arch system outdated for months, which is usually not the case for Arch user.

Yes but this leads to the "the operating system IS my work" meme that you have to be on top of and super invested in keeping your OS functional, and not in the work you do while it's functioning.

Arch is for people who refused to listen when their teachers told them the OS is not a toy.

come into the void my friend, its a poettering free zone.

Honestly I've been running arch for almost a year now with barely any issues except maybe wifi and graphics drivers during install. It just works for me, I wanted a minimal distro that only has the software that I choose to put on it and wasn't getting fisted by microsoft, google, canonical, or red hat. and yes I tried void but it doesn't work well with KDE.

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I don't think running a full system upgrade every week is super invested. They are expected to do this when they choose to use a bleeding edge distro after all.
Though it's not completely wrong to say Arch is a toy OS. Its AUR and CLI installation process makes it a perfect distro for tinkering.

>arch
>kde
>minimal
how can you live with yourself?

Is getting rid of systemd worth also getting rid of KDE though? What's a good DE for void?

bloatware the distro
>minimal

a good DE is no DE. but if you want it at all costs then xfce.

>AUR
had to install freecad in my 10 years old laptop.
took close to two days compiling.

I'm not gonna lie, I mainly use arch (Manjaro) because of the aur. Whenever I try to build packages from the source by myself, there's some problem. Even though the directions are very clear on whatever GitHub repository I'm in, cmake always gives me an error. Does everyone else know something that I just don't know?

Install gentoo

yes.

install the biggest amount of libs you imagine, after two months doing this everything will compile at the first try.

also abuse ln to make fake lib numbers that are semi compatible with newer versions(not gona like may break your neck)

>ye ok
...because that's a solid refutation of my point.

>repetition isn't learning
except it's the most basic way of learning. yeah, you can copy-paste from the archwiki but if you take the time to read the content of the pages explaining what you're copying and pasting you will learn what it is you're doing. if you go the extra step and maybe man page the commands being run you'll learn even more. trying to discredit the arch wiki for telling you how things are done isn't terribly fair.

vi install.txt
If it's not in there then yeah, you've gotta consult the wiki. If it's your first rodeo I can see how that sucks. If you know what you're getting into and trying to install arch again for the nth time perhaps you should have learned something by now.

>not a gui
>Arch_retardation.png
then why are you slackjaws trying to install arch in the first place? "rtfm" is suddenly hipster because some idiot coming from windows didn't bother learning the most basic shit and is upset nobody is giving them copy-paste instructions readily available via the wiki?

Fuck me, if you don't get it and don't want to get it install SomeOtherDistro-minimal.iso but for fuck's sake don't bitch about it because you're a lazy twat that can't commit a few simple commands to memory and are upset that a group of users don't want to spit verbatim what's already in the wiki over and over and over again.

Arch assumes:
- You want bleeding edge
- You've some degree of reading comprehension
- You're not a moron

Failing the above, quit bitching and install something else.

>The install method is fucking disgusting and obsolete by design.
the installation is easy
it's actually running the system that's hard
>fuck up and use arch on my personal PC in the lab
>practicing the arch way, keep my system up to date
>system stops booting one day and i spend 2 hours fixing it
>research going in a new direction, install some EDA tools
>have to downgrade 2 packages because the latest versions dropped support for "useless" features needed by real software
>have to downgrade 8 more packages to get those 2 packages to work
soon as this paper's done i'm switching to mint

>You want bleeding edge
The $25,000 question: is there a reason to want this?

Meanwhile at Debian, packages take years for maintainers to update, and the head of it left because there isn't even a way to just... list discussions.

The answer for 90% of people is no. The trouble is that everyone thinks they're in the 10% so they suffer through it and hope it pays off.

i switched to arch because installing packages from the source was tedious and ended up transforming my Debian install into zombie distro.
Sometimes i have to install packages from aur because the main repo doesn't have it or the version was to outdated that was the case for i3-gaps or other packages that are a bit niche.

And what would that reason be?

The answer for 100% of people is no. Nobody has a use for Arch, it is a hobbyist distro for people who like to do work without getting paid for it.

>Is it possible to install aur packages?
Yep

>Nobody has a use for Arch
This is what I suspect, but I'm hoping our arch-shilling user will have an answer

So how did that gentoo installation work out

I used Manjaro for compiling a vxworks project, because a package didn't exist on the usual distros I try

But there is a way around it its called Manjaro and Antergos

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Go back to windows, brainlet.

If you needed to install Manjaro to this, you are doing work you are not getting paid for so you can read my post again.

>how outdated are they package repos?
It depends, some daily use stuff (like browsers) is pushed almost at the same time.
Stuff that can ruin days takes a week or two, depending how many archboys get rekt.

>running arch
>wasn't getting fisted by microsoft, google, canonical, or red hat
>or red hat
Someone please remind this knucklehead what init he is using

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I was getting paid tho

wtf mate? I think you'd be better of buying an ipad and using that exclusively.

>no point in manual installation process
That user is wrong. Arch gives you lots of different options, just cause you tend to stick to what you know best doesn't mean there's other ways of doing it. For me installing Arch on my old legacy bios PC is very different from installing Arch on my UEFI laptop.

Yes, I do.

>the install ISO is broken by design to make it work you actually have to install the ISO into the usb rather than dd it, its a fucking joke.
What? You have to dd the iso on a usb.

You haven't found the binary version?
aur.archlinux.org/packages/freecad-appimage/

prepare drive
mount drive
install on drive
reboot

not sure who's retarded

any issues with wifi drivers. Im thinking about moving over from Arch

Not for me, since I replaced the Intel wireless card with a compatible Atheros one.

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux#User_centrality

Hello, dumb retard. You never put effort into anything you do. Don't you? Read the fucking wiki, faggot.

This

Fuck off you arch shill

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>rolling release iso is always outdated
wow btfo

Why not just use Gentoo?