How fucked are software/cs jobs gonna be when automation really starts to take off?

How fucked are software/cs jobs gonna be when automation really starts to take off?

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They wont be. Not for a long time (oh, i skipped any reasoning behind my opinion on purpose, to match your arguments). Is this bait or some shit? I cant tell anymore

>Nurses, Healthcare Workers, School Teachers, Waiters, Therapists and Counselors maintain employment
>everyone else gets blacked by AI
It'll be delicious when the only people funding neetbux are 30-70yo liberal women lol

The economy would have to be completely restructured or it would just eventually collapse at that point.

Yeah, just pay them 5 times as much, they are the only jobs that aren't automated anyway, so they suddenly have a shit load more value, which come to think of it.... in that scenario of supply and demand then all the teaching, nursing, and counselor jobs would suddenly be occupied by all the really intelligent hyper conscientious people who lost their jobs in other fields due to automation. The bigger salaries would draw them too it, at least a proportion of them, and all the mediocre people that currently hold those jobs would be out on their ass like all the other people who had their jobs taken over by machines.

Kek, that logic train threw the other anons point on it's head. That's a shame because I also had a moment of devilish glee imagining them paying for all of society. But anyway, now they are also unemployeed and all the STEM field people are teachers and nurses etc, pay them ten times as much, tax them far higher too, pay for all the neetbux and liberal layoffs.

>what are Lawyers

most teachers have tenure though, I wonder how they'll (((remove))) it?

My mother is a tenured teacher. She said that both lower education schools and higher education institutions are just doing away with tenure by letting it die out. Its rather difficult to get tenured now a days whereas it use to be just something that was given to you provided you weren't a complete fuck up and you had completed X number of years.

interesting! thx user and mommanon

Programming has already become largely automated. Right now with modern tools, a teenager can make a project in a week more complex than a PhD dissertation less than twenty years ago. All the complexities of building systems has largely been replaced with heavily simplified interfaces even women and children can be productive with. The process will get incrementally more automated for convenience's sake until employers realize they can get the same results with a two person team when it used to take 10.

Situations like these are the main reason that company profits and GDP are at unprecedented levels while average income hasn't budged for the past few decades bar inflation. Companies can get the same work out of a single person for jobs that used to require a team. But they don't increase their salary, they simply keep the savings to themselves because salary is competitive. And now that more people are seeking employment after being displaced by the new technology the supply is high and the demand is low. Companies would pay all their employees $2 an hour to work 75 hours a week if they could get away with it. And there's nothing a corporations hates more than an employee they can't replace on the drop of a hat.

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>Programming has already become largely automated.
Not really.
AI's lack this little thing called "will". They simply react to us. While they might coerce our will in ways, never is it with accuracy. We're just too chaotic (or rather, "absolutely chaotic") as entities.

am i the only one that thinks automation is a huge fucking meme?

About as much as template websites have affected web developers, tensorflow affected machine learning people, spark affected parallel programming, and the cloud affected IT.

Which is to say, some jobs will just get shuffled around. Productivity will continue to improve, but there will still be plenty of programmers because in the private sector companies are still fiercely competing. And in government they will all be safe for decades no matter what.

This makes no assumptions about the timetable of when it will really kick in. Anyone who says they know is either lying or stupid.

The more we automate, the more human needs emerge in my opinion. I do think it's an utter meme.

It's like with the automated burger machines.. they need maintenance and are prone to issues. People can just adapt to issues, machines and AI struggle to that.

Lawyers are going to be wiped out quicker than all the other professions. 90% of the law is being able to read and research what are essentially complicated administrative functions. The internet is making forms, how-to's, standardised templates, etc. so available that you don't need a lawyer to form a corporation, create a trust, or a bunch of governement liason tasks that solicitors typically do. Lawyers are on the way out.

Honestly, it's kind of easy to get rid of tenured positions these days anyway. The uni simply makes a bullshit policy (usually far left) which states if their is an issue of conscious on the teachers morals, integrity, or some other such flimsy standard that they can be removed, they then make their lives hell going through tribunals until they either quit from stress or eventually a few years later there is enough 'paperwork' to justify pushing them out the door. This is why the universities are such despots these days.

You're looking at a very niche market to create your strawman argument. That other user is correct in that front end developers should be worried. Sites like squarespace and it's contemporaries allow you to create a full functional website, themed to your flavour, add an ecommerce store or payment gateway with a few clicks. Now, for all you nu Jow Forums webdevs who think poorly of those sites because they can't handle custom ajax or other highly techinical stuff, consider that most people who want a simple website don't give a shit about that. There was a whole industry of people making websites by typing out html css and maybe javascript which won't exist within 5 years because you can go to a site and a wizard makes you a site as good or better with a few button clicks. It is feasible that in 5-10 years those AI's will be able to make ajax, react, alogrithims in a few clicks too.

These kinds of charts are retarded. Cooks for example. Could a line cook's job be automated? Sure, you could build a robot to cut vegetables or something. But why would you? There is very little to gain by doing so, versus the R&D investment required. It's not going to happen for a very long time.

cost of r&d will change as other more important things are developed

Not as much as you might think. And even if it did, you'd be hard pressed to find a restaurant willing to invest in that kind of professional-gradr machine versus just paying some kid minimum wage to chop carrots.

customers are too retarded to use squarespace and often want some superspecific design and functionality that a site wizard can't give you

>even women

>Lawyers are going to be wiped out quicker than all the other professions.
No they're not. Absolutely impossible.
The system is completely cautious of AI interacting with legal activities. They already have confidentiality issues with them.

>90% of the law is being able to read and research what are essentially complicated administrative functions.
That's largely automated... poorly. Why poorly? Because the information isn't freely available for good reason.

>The internet is making forms, how-to's, standardised templates, etc. so available that you don't need a lawyer to form a corporation, create a trust, or a bunch of governement liason tasks that solicitors typically do.
Oh AI might make some of it easier, but as for the liason part - already problems with it. Plus an AI can't NEGOTIATE A DEAL.

>very niche market
People are the market.
Hence why it will never be automated.

You can't have a market with no people.

>essentially complicated administrative functions
>Philosophical interpretation of definitions with no clear scope and large amounts of ambiguity is just an "administrative function"

You have no idea what a Lawyer does.

>shit minimum wage jobs for braindead retards are all gone
the whole fucking planet is going to be harlem

Hadn't considered that angle. It's not AI that replaces programmers, it's libraries.

It has potential to replace every single job. In reality it depends how much it is allowed to grow. Once there will be powerfull self thinking ai systems available at low cost using humans for any common jobs would be like using animals to replace cars

New jobs will emerge. People need to figure out what they need though.
We're not figuring out where the new potential markets are. That's our problem right now.

Not automation.

>It has potential to replace every single job
I disagree. The market inherently requires people working to exist.

Just make a career change to the field of receiving-free-shit™. Big future ahead there, much growth.

The economy disagrees. Simply moving the money around isn't a service that would be fund-able. It will lead to starvation.

Obliviously true, but the market would gradually change towards completely different model. People would live very much different lives, some form of dystopian society would be in place if it would be ai and robots controlling market.

>It will lead to starvation.
Of course but that won't stop people from voting for it or politicians from using free-shit™ to bait for votes.

>some form of dystopian society would be in place if it would be ai and robots controlling market
Dystopian is the wrong word.
Alien is the right word.

Mate, you might not even be able to distinguish the two in the future. We might need to modify ourselves or our workers, machines, might not be able to get the right instructions at a pace required.
Plus it would help us cope with the increasing workload.

Well it's the same shit Caesar had to deal with in the Roman Republic user.
It's identical. People say we're in "a different time, a different world" to Rome, when the fact is history has pretty much repeated itself like Rome up to this point with the idea of welfare.

80% of lawyers work is processing forms, contracts, and legal documents. It's essentially a glorified clerk role. I have a very good idea of what a lawyer does and It's not like they show you on tv user. Sure, there are trial lawyers, who argue matters that reach litigation, I'm not saying that will necessarily go any time soon, but all the administrative tasks that make up the bulk of the legal profession are being erroded as we speak, and thank fuck for that. The shifty lawyers have been trying to guard their walled garden for hundreds of years by creating legal 'jargon' to make it more difficult than it is and to increase their job security. The internet is correcting that and either you're too slow to see it or you have a vested intrest in trying to stop it.

>80% of lawyers work is processing forms, contracts, and legal documents
Wrong. Most of a lawyers job is settling disputes. You can't settle a dispute without negotiating.
Only recently have law speakers... I mean lawyers dealt with so many forms. People are beginning to realise that more forms create more problems though.
You'll see Lawyers return to their old use as a professional negotiator.

>The shifty lawyers have been trying to guard their walled garden for hundreds of years by creating legal 'jargon' to make it more difficult than it is and to increase their job security
I'll agree the lack of discretion around terminology is an issue, but that's inherent from legislation and politics, not lawyers. Lawyers set out specific processes to mediate disputes better, otherwise it becomes an inefficient mess.
But there is only so much you can do before the amount of process steps impedes the overall process.
None of those steps, other than form production and exchange, can be fully automated because lawyers deal with chaotic human issues.

>The internet is correcting that and either you're too slow to see it
The internet agrees with what most lawyers are beginning to see with the process. Legislation and formalisation of procedures has limited the ability of people to settle disputes.

>getting triggered this easy

The average "developer" is too retarded to make anything that will replace most of the jobs on that list. Self-checkout machines have to be babysat because they sperg out over the tiniest shit, and the things they do are trivial.

nope, tons of other retards like you are in denial