Dear computer monitor industry, can we please get proper panels that match modern TVs?

Buy used, save like 40 %, check the panel and let others test it for you. Thats how I got a flawless 3 month old 4K 32" IPS panel for 500 €.

Why don't you get a TV and use it as a monitor?

Computer building general recommends VA and I own a VA
Suck my dick

>facebook file name
>bought shitty "gayming" monitor and is surprised that he got garbage
>has to take picture from side and in total darkness, otherwise he could not even show that there's a "problem"

One of the Chinese companies have come up with a novel idea of putting a second LCD screen sandwiched between that turns off areas where there is black to create near infinite contrast like OLED. I can't find it on Youtube now but it was on show at CES and covered by Vince from HDTVUK. Looked promising but proprietary obviously.

Hisense didn't come up with the idea. Panasonic was showing it years ago, and you can even buy monitors that use it right now (though they cost $45k for a 31").

Guess they are difficult to manufacture but maybe Hisense found a way to do it more economically.

Isn't that most of what HDR is? Turning off the back light where blacks are?

No.

Maybe, but it was just a tech demo they were showing. No notion of when or even if they will ever come to market.

You still need pretty bright highlights for good HDR. You can get perfect blacks with OLED, for example, but OLED can't get as bright as the brightest LCDs. This is one reason Sony is discontinuing their OLED reference monitors and replacing them with dual layer LCDs.

OLED is fine if you live in the dark and perfect blacks mean you get high contrast. However the main issue I see with HDR on OLED's is blown out highlight detail. I think they fixed it in later models by having a gamma curve or some such. But I might be wrong. I have a 2016 LG model btw.

VA is the future

Underrated comment. Here, have some reddit silver, funny stranger.

LG OLEDs also lose saturation at high brightness due to the WOLED structure they use. They can get bright, but saturated colors (e.g. blue skies) can wash out because of this limitation.

I think that is the same thing I am talking about and yes I have seen it happen on numerous occasions. BTW color grading by some cinematographers and use of graduated filters on lenses etc can really fuck with my head in HDR. Deadpool is a good example of this when looking at the sky during the first section on the highway. Those clouds want to make me puke.

I unironically do this. Still not sure it's a good idea or not since i have a 55" TV and a 24" deep desk

It's just a poor idea as it was like 8 years ago when they first suggested it. Rather wait for Samsung's microled backlighting, it's more realistic and more likely to actually come to market since microled TVs are planned and being developed, so a less dense microled array being used as a FALD backlight makes perfect sense

> viewing angles are only an issue if you look at it from an angle

>defending TN panels
>being this retarded

TN is good for cheap high refresh, let's not pretend it's worth a damn visually.

TN is way better than IPS

>here's your VA monitor bro

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kek

IPS is just as bad

>perfect black levels
>fastest response times
>the absolute minimum amount of input lag that the laws of physics allow
>perfect scaling of non-native resolutions, 0 loss in quality
When will we get something as good as crts?

Stop sorting by price and buying the lowest. Or at least don't be surprised when it gets you the lowest quality.

>>perfect black levels
Not actually, due to clouding from lit phosphors affecting the rest of the screen. Plasma wasn't actually perfect either, unlike OLED which only has issues with controllers/software in particularly high contrast scenes, though I've heard it's vastly improved after some firmware updates on the LG oleds and wasn't a problem for some of the others like Sony.

>>fastest response times
Except for black to white transitions OLED is just as fast without the prerequisite strobbing. CRT must strobe because of how the phosphor light decays, it's not a good technology anymore, especially since OLED doesn't use PWM, even a lot of LCDs don't anymore and among the ones that do it's in the several hundreds like 500 to 999hz. Any explicit strobbing or BFI is typically optional

>>the absolute minimum amount of input lag that the laws of physics allow
Several ms of input lag was actually common. They were just better than early LCDs because they didn't need LUTs, just a simple gamma correction, so the controllers had less work to do. Today CRTs would get input lag because HDR adds a new dimension to the color standard, for brightness, hence the 3D LUT HDR TVs use. A lot of modern SDR monitors have extremely low input lag in the few ms. It's mostly a controller issue now, since computing is trivial for SDR.

OLED is about as good, microled will blow CRTs away since it improves on OLED in every way.

>microled
Maybe by 2027

any monitor that costs more than150 bucks is just cheaply mass produced gamer trash. they know their target audience. pic related buys anything with enough gayming logos on the box

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>TFW I wasted 500 plus dolaroos on an IPS display with 144hz and 1440p, rather than wait and buy a smaller 1080p display with 75hz for 90 dollars
The worst part about it is that they both have the same benefits of freesync and the exact same PPI.

Dear OP, could you please stop writing as if you're on twitter? You're a faggot, let that sink in.

It's not always the panel. It could be caused by the way the panel is mounted, causing it to flex and introduce backlight bleed.
If you can into /diy/ you can build a computer monitor for like $200 for a 4K.

144hz are glorious tho

TN sucks too.

Well why don't you just use your TV as your monitor then?

glorious 27" 1440p 144 Hz looks amazing though

Spending over 1000 dollars on an ips display is dumb, they have the same fucking backlight bleeding as the 100 dollar ips displays, just a different resolution and shape. My Sharp G10 panel blows them out of the water and that's from 2009.

why do not you just buy amoled

I do for games I can play with a controller. For fast paced shooters I need my desk, kb+mouse, obviously

$150 on-sale HP 23" 1080p IPS: backlight bleed all over the place, a black screen is basically medium-dark gray, and there's noticeable motion blur
$800 Acer 27" 1440p 144 Hz G-Sync IPS: backlight bleed is still there but much much less, and pixel response time is much better so there's very little motion blur
...then of course there's the old ass 17" Philips CRT I have lying around, less resolution and it's less than 144 Hz, but the color is bright, saturated and accurate, and there's no motion blur.

AMOLED is awesome, but degrades too fast for how much it costs, especially with micro LED just around the corner.

No consumer OLED monitors yet

See, this thing has a 32" 1440p 144hz S-PVA panel. Yes, the glorious long forgotten S-PVA technology used by top tier NEC and Eizo monitors.
>w-wow... that I remember those amazing monitors. That thing must be really expansive!
Nope, $400

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Was exactly going to say this.
A good VA panel is the only choice.

Just buy a panel fucking retard lol

Even the best smear und ghost like crazy.
If you don't care about fast motions then yes, VA rules

>If you don't care about fast motions then yes, VA rules
But that's exactly what the typical normie cares about.
A still, fucking, picture.
Also 30 fps is enough for them because a still image at 30 fps and 200fps looks the same.

AH YES, muh viewing angles, classic retardation.

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I'm using 3 Dell TN panels and I do get a little bit of shift as I look at the outer edges of my monitors.

how big monitors, how are they setup, and so on?

What meme? I get 10/10 panels all the time. Suck a cock nigger, fucking lol
OP you're a homo too, stop making baitshit threads

That's a cute cat

3*24" landscape mode angled to fit in around 4.6ft length

Please stop bro, please. Anyone who has used a TN panel knows the entire top half of the panel looks like something out of an X ray machine, visibility is shit. Pic related, same viewing angle for both TN and IPS. Just lol, fucking burn yourself you useless homo nigger.

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That's glare not viewing angle. It's true TN are bad with glare.

Except it looked perfect if I craned my head up or tilted the panel all the way down. That's not glare at all, stop lying.

People who rip on VA can't afford VA

VA is literally cheaper than IPS and the same price as TN
I've tried two £450-500 VA panels and they are terrible, smearing out the ass on dark colours in games. The lower the Hz the worse it gets too, so playing at 60-100hz is horrible. I could notice the smear even scrolling through websites like YouTube in dark theme.
Returned them both and got the Dell s2719dgf, silky smooth motion and one of the best TN panels. Colours are great and no black crush.

>IPS BAD! QC BAD! BACKLIGHT BLEED! IPS GLOW! DEAD PIXELS!
I listened to all the warnings before I purchased my XB271HU, I got it from a local store that was happy to let me test it before taking it home. It was perfect, on the chance that it was bad they would have replaced it on the spot.
There's no reason to not buy it. I bought a 4K IPS panel off Amazon and it works great too, zero issues. Just kys, TN shills. Even my braindead brother who loved his TN monitor saw the light and ditched his 144hz panel when I got my XB271HU.

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Turn off the fucking light you mongrel that is fucking reflections from the shitty matte film.

now do a black image and lower your camera's exposure.

Great, so you have dark corners instead.

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>Anyone who has used a TN panel knows the entire top half of the panel looks like something out of an X ray machine, visibility is shit.
Not on my my monitor. Are you the kind of faggot that can't sit with straight posture and literally melt into your chair and end up looking up at the monitor instead of straight at it?
Do I have to make another image, but this time with ISP and VA users being below the monitor?

VA is bad for video games. TN and high end IPS are much better unless all you do is play point and click adventure games with zero motion. It's great for multimedia though.

It's 100% perfect, sod off
It's not reflections, you mongs keep trolling but everyone knows TN panels have garbage angles. Even sitting head on will make things up top look shit unless you tilt the panel way down.
Keep shitposting, on any regular forum you'd get laughed out for TNposting like this. Just lol

>It's not reflections,
Where in my post did I say it's reflections?
>Even sitting head on will make things up top look shit unless you tilt the panel way down.
False, sitting straight on is fine. Just because your have goblin posture and can't have your spine support your back enough to stay on level with the monitor is not the fault of the monitor when you melt into your chair.

>Keep shitposting
Calling something shitposting is not the epic comback you think it is when it equates to "I disagree with your opinion"
In fact this term has come into play do deflect criticism only recently.
>on any regular forum you'd get laughed
and here is the reason, because it's fucking normie invades coming here and using words they don't understand.

>It's 100% perfect, sod off
prove it:
now do a black image and lower your camera's exposure.

We're never going to get Field Emission Displays, are we? Thanks, AU Optronics.

>It's 100% perfect, sod off
You can hear the desperate cope, imagine spending 500+ dollars on something and then admitting to yourself that you are a retard who just wasted money, nobody can live with that.

IPS is slow as shit with crap contrast
have you even used a VA panel?

so i just read this shit because i'm looking to bu ya mo,itor and learned that every screen is shit and everyone is a retard, thanks guys

Sitting straight on to get the most *optimal viewing picture with a tn panel is a terrible idea. Not only is it bad for your back but it also tends to show the limits of tn panel technology. Though even looking at it straight on will still show limitations within the display from the top and bottom. Not to mention it'll be a pain to use to watch a video with some friends or with a group of people.

Also
>not on my monitor
Some tn panels tend to have optimal conditions in gamma shifts, but many displays continue to suffer the same problem as if it was 2008.

well, thats not inaccurate
the best you can do is consider which aspects of a monitor you personally value more than others and accept the compromise

>OLED on computer monitor
Enjoy rapid OLED burn in

not to mention the degradation and it being not particularly fast
I fucking hate the state of modern display technology

>Not only is it bad for your back
Sclosis master race huh? As expected.

>Some tn panels tend to have optimal conditions in gamma shifts, but many displays continue to suffer the same problem as if it was 2008.
I like it how when people bring up problems with VA or ISP then " just throw more money at the problem"
but as soon as somebody points out something about a 150-200$ TN panel then it's instantly ALL TNS are SHIT, NEVER GET IT!

TN is pretty shit ngl, but the color isnt nearly as bad as I was lead to believe

Looks like it's just camera bloom to me

Okay tell me which monitor is which then.

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why?

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Last one. I await your analysis.

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Lean back motherfucker its better for your back! Do you really expect me or anyone else to believe that it is better to be in a 90 degree position the whole day?

>just throw more money at the problem
Achktually this is exactly the problem that is being created when spending excessive money on an IPS panel. Spending less will tend to have less problems...at least in my experience. It definitely doesn't help that some of the more 'refined' IPS panels that come with 144hz are AUoptronics.

> demonstrating photos
Nope. Both screens look bad, probably both are TN.

I really dont give a shit
what does my subjective perception of a screen on a screen with a shitty camera even mean?

>I don't ever give a shit
>it doesn't even matter
oh look at him squirm, afraid of getting it wrong.

Fuck are you talking about? VA has by far the shittiest response times and input lag out of the three types and that's what matters when playing games.

There are two VA fags who shit up every Monitor thread, don't pay attention to them

I have a 27" TN
never ever looked at it from a weird angle, never had problems

>dat blue led

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