Python

>python
>hundreds of times slower than c
>"how innovative"
>MIT teaches students python
>"great for AI"
>uses c++ for it's ai under the hood
>hello world costs megabytes
>horrible for embedded
>can not do everything that lisp can do (proven)
>forth
>0.6 times slower than c
>"horrible"
>only taught to soviet hackers
>is it's own kernel
>hello world is kilobytes
>fits on the tiniest of embedded machines
>can do everything that lisp can do (proven)

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just use c, its the only thing i was taught in uni (other then mathlab)

>hello world costs megabytes
Now why would anyone lie about this?

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All the pythonisas are good for is shilling, not programming.

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It's like javascript for low level languages
>I need to do X in python
>Download 3 libraries ZOMG I LOVS PYTHON

>tfw your language is so mishapen that you have to spend all your time trying to juggle the boiler plate and you don't even get to shill.

Link me to the proof that python can't do everything lisp can so I can smug on python 'developers'

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>"execution time all that matter!"
>"C faster than python, C better!"

>can not do everything that lisp can do
If this isn't bait please kys along with this retard

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You can use C in Python via a wrapper

Opinion of people whose github consists mostly of wallpapers.

When people say Python is their favorite language, it's a 100% guarantee that they're a below average programmer.

Imagine wanting to use a language which is more effort then python.
This is not the 1980 we're you'd need to wait minutes for a program which today can load in a instant

T. Uses a chainsaw to clip a toenail.

I'm the most pro-python person in the world since at the end of the day, programmer time is more valuable than machine time - but micropython is a shitfest.

I had to re-implement so many low level functions and do everything with buffers and memoryview it's not funny. You have to know about upython AND it's .c implementation and behave according to the c implementation while staying in limited python syntax. It is 1000 times easier to just use c if you can get fucking malloc errors from normal micropython functions for fuck's sake. It has absolutely no benefits at all.

same with java

> lisp can do more than any Turing complete language

>use python
>want to do a fourier transform
>takes one line
>c
>want to do a fourier transform
>takes 400 lines
nothing personnel jackas

I know this is bait, but since some will believe it...
A language is not the same as its standard library. Get a proper C lib and it will be one line too.

find me one
I'm waiting

I want her to be my gf

Lisp doesn't use Turing machines, it uses Lambda Calculus, brainlet.

Python versioning was the final nail in the coffin for it for me.

can your C++ code differentiate itself by tracing it's own execution?

Cool now show clock cycles and how those measurements compare to other languages. ;^)

>moving the goalpost

Using "seconds elapsed" isn't an accurate measurement for how long it takes software to execute you absolute moron.

found the brainlet

nobody said the language is fast
You said it costs megabytes for a hello world which is simply not true

>trying to reason with a redditor

everyone who says "mathlab" is an illiterate mong who can't read the logo that appears every time the program opens.

>Isn't aware that these are mathematically identical objects.
Yikes

God damn I want to pull up her shirt and stick my dick between her tiny tits and use the shirt to stroke my dick up and down her tits

Java is shit through and through, at least python is easy to write in and is acceptable for smaller programs, which is more than can be said for Java.

KissFFT

Nice bait

Doesn't it say 7.228MB of maximum used RAM right there?

I have never had issues with Python. I agree, alot of these issues just don't exist.

C for performace, Python for everything else

Imagine believing there aren't languages that are easier and better to use than Python. Imagine thinking Python is the easiest to use simply by the virtue of it being your first and only language.

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Python is "easy" to write because it's the only language you know.

>Imagine thinking Python is the easiest to use simply by the virtue of it being your first and only language.
POPULAR THING BAD

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>still no actual explanation for why Python is shit

Your picture literally showed it taking megabytes, dumbass.

imagine being so retarded you think 7228 KB is equal to 7.228 MB

it's 7228/1024MB tho

Significamt whitespace kills Python for me.
Can you even use smart tabs?

Imagine being so retarded you don't know the difference between a megabyte and a mebibyte.

The fact that you niggers are STILL trying to argue against python says something. It rules in science, alongside FORTRAN.

Scientists are not really great programmers.

>MIT switched from lisp to Python
>my university teaches practical programming using C/C++
>teaches discrete mathematics using lisp, which even EEs have to take one level of, CS majors are required to take a few
>only uses Python to teach OOP and data structures to EEs (even in this class the professor started out by explaining Python is good as a scripting language and not much more)
>also taught in introductory physics classes and other departments
Big oof.

> The unit symbol for the mebibyte is MiB

nice try at saving yourself, retard.

No shit, you get your result and move on. Adaptability/usability > machine-speed.

>>teaches discrete mathematics using lisp
Based. MIT only started to phase out Lisp because the freshman wouldn't stop screeching about it.

>859 page faults
>for a fucking hello world

Yea its supposed to be matrix labrador how hard is it to remember

>tfw golang is almost as fast as c/c++, but compiles in seconds, is easy to write and maintain
>it is also way safer than c
>rust is even faster and safer

>forth
>hello world is kilobytes
its kilobytes if you take whole runtime into account though

>golang
if err != nill {
>rust
sepples but all of the ugly parts are mandatory

>her

.6 times slower than c
you fucking wot m8
that means it is faster

>C-fag
>First year CS dropout
>Has spent years optimizing hello world
>"I don't even need stdio, I'll write directly to the framebuffer!" - (you)
>Pretends he writes cutting-edge C for use on internet-connected dildos
>All for Jow Forums cred
>"Look at all those (gainfully employed) soibois writing python and getting paid for it too" - OP from the mcdicks break room

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>be OP
>hate python
>care about python

shithead

Daily reminder that FB backend is written in the most powerful language. C++. Just kiss the ring.

Who gives a fuck. These arguments are stupid. People who give me money to solve problems don't care what programming language I use. They don't even care if I write quality code.

scientists who actually know what they're doing now-a-days use Julia and Fortran/C++ depending on whether or not they're doing fluid dynamics simulations
the ones who don't use Julia are still using Matlab and are either too senile or too lazy to learn Julia

>if err != nill {
what is the complaint here?

holy FUCK I want this

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Why?

Some scientists use perl

Lauren Southern only dates black dudes

im not much of a python fan but developer time > program speed. dont optimize things unless you need to and benchmark/profile before doing so. there's a reason so many major websites are still running rails for the core and split out hot paths

She's for black men only

Numpy is just c/fortran wrappers. It runs just as fast but is a lot easier to program.

>python is turing complete
>"hurr so it can do everything"
>ok.jpg
>forth is turing complete
>"durr so it can do everything too hurr hurr"
>riiiiight.jpg
>lambda calculus is turing complete. Also it's maximum o notation for a problem is O log of N.
>"WHUT DID U SAY LITTLE SHIT I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I AM A PHD GRADUATE AND MY PROFESSOR DADDY TOLD ME THAT ANY LANGUAGE CAN DO WHAT ANY OTHER LANGUAGE CAN DO YOU MAY BE MISTAKEN BEcAUSE YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT LAMBDA CALCULUS CAN COMPILE AN ENTIRELY NEW PROGRAM WHICH THEN CAN RUN FASTER THAN O LOG N AHHHHHHHH!!!!!""""
>u ok buddy? did I shatter ur illlusion?

>It's like javascript for low level languages
i.e. it's a high-level language

lel dew u eeen know what forth is

this thread is so fucking bad. i closed it 5 minutes ago but i had to come back to tell you how fucking retarded you faggots are. nuke this worthless board

fuck off and post that fat Jew somewhere else.

You have got to be genuinely retarded if you did fft in C and don't know there are dozens of fft libraries in C. The fuck is wrong with you.

The "I don't need no generics in the new millennium" language

Why does it even exist?

>can not do everything that lisp can do (proven)
>can do everything that lisp can do (proven)

This is objectively wrong. Anybody with even a rudimentary understanding of computer science (i.e. took a 101 level survey course) should know that computers and programming languages are all equal in the calculations and tasks that they can perform. All computing machines are equally powerful. The only difference is performance. It is literally impossible for Lisp or Python or Forth to do something the other can't without violating a fundamental law of computer science.

The rest is true though. Fuck Python.

But Zed said python isn't Turing complete tho

2 peas in a pod

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>hundreds of times slower than c
>hello world costs megabytes
>can not do everything

Forth is 1000 times slower than c,
hello world costs gigabytes
cant do everything x86 assembly can do

am I doing it right?

>not having /usr/bin on his path

explain yourself

/use/bin/time points to GNU time instead of the built-in bash one

You should only program in C and C++.

what about C#?

Isn't Lauren Southern that girl that does alt right asmr on youtube?

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nvm i am a nigger and didn't realize my patrician ass distro has a shell with equivalent functionality to gnu time, carry on

>conjecture

> not understanding the difference between minor and major page faults
> not understanding the most rudimentary aspects of virtual memory
> not understanding anything, really
> not even a programmer, probably

pseuds get the fucking rope

Because C is smaller and more base. The Linux kernel is written in C. Python is for beginners to learn who will eventually learn JS. C is seen in most micro controllers in the electronics and industrial field. Python & JS for mid tier engineers, C for the mechanical engineers, C++ etc for the big boy engineers.

You are literally responding to different people.
>this is your brain on pyshit

hey guys what is a good lisp interpreter to use
on gnu/linux

Go look it up yourself, you nimwit.

You are pretty much a cuck if you don't fall for the forth meme instead of the cuck meme.
>forth
>the most radical 80s vaporwave language there is
>python
>literally translates to dick

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>muh python bad, c good
>python is literally running on pure c
>npcmad.jpg

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Writing a raytracer in Python that runs at a framerate greater than one.