Is destroying a hard drive really more effective than just encrypting it with a random paragraph long password?

that's like 4 weeks my nigga

Why don't you bring along the next time you go shooting and just put a few bullets in it?

From Defcon 23; a talk on physical destruction of drives, and how well different methods should work. Lots of explosions.

youtube.com/watch?v=-bpX8YvNg6Y

in the future the only evidence that black people ever existed are bbc pics found on a hdd at the bottom of lake superior

Por que no los dos?

>implying that they both don't make the data inaccessible

>implying that encryption can't be bypassed

Neodymium magnets are your friend.

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This. First do a “dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX” then use magnets to degauss, then physically destroy, then throw into ocean of you live near it.

Enjoy being held in contempt of court until you give up the encryption key. The real key, not the one to the fake partition. In the United States there is no limit on how long a judge can keep you in jail for contempt. One lawyer spent fourteen years in jail for refusal to cooperate with a court order. Ultimately the judge did let him out of jail hut still, he was in for fourteen years simply for contempt.

Yeah like this guy

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indefinitely-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives-loses-appeal/

Both of these take more time than just tossing it in the microwave.

Encrypting it takes forever in comparison.

I thought microwaves were more for SSD’s or other flash storage no?

Yes, because you are completely destroying the evidence. Also, stop downloading bootleg stuff.

No.

Guess I’ll add a microwave to my theoretical ultra paranoid data destruction routine. Can’t have no one seeing my family photos when I toss a HDD.

>In deciding against Rawls, the court of appeals found that the constitutional rights against being compelled to testify against oneself were not being breached. That's because the appeals court, like the police, agreed that the presence of child porn on his drives was a "foregone conclusion." The Fifth Amendment, at its most basic level, protects suspects from being forced to disclose incriminating evidence. In this instance, however, the authorities said they already know there's child porn on the drives, so Rawls' constitutional rights aren't compromised.
What the fuck, "it's fine because we know you're guilty, even if we haven't proved it"

>just tossing it in the microwave.
The metal body will likely shield the platters.

I think the platters themselves might still be recoverable after the microwave fries the board.

Also.
If you're burgers you have guns everywhere and can just shoot at your HDD, can't you?

MURICA

Land of the free home of the brave?

They did ask his sister

Fucking amazing video.
Thaks bro.

Encryption only guarantees data destruction when it's FDE, done before usage, and the key is stored in a TPM or smart-card so I can't get it by simply breaking your kneecaps with a pipe wrench.

>lawyer spent fourteen years in jail
jailabcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=8101209&page=1

DURR i am retart....

abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=8101209&page=1

He's the Patron Saint of MGTOW.

I suggest you all learn something. Destroying drives electronically is illegal while physically it's legal. Also the video below is fun because you get to see a lot of dickheads doing dumb shit for science like chemical baths and wood carving tools being applied to cobalt

youtu.be/1M73USsXHdc

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Learning is too hard. I gave up years ago.

>Learning is too hard. I gave up years ago.
Then appreciate some dickheads doing dumb shit for no reason
Buzzed speakers, humor, showing the dumb shit they did, cobalt being hard as shit

You can't encrypt a dead hard drive.

>Is destroying a hard drive really more effective than just encrypting it with a random paragraph long password?
US agencies that care about security are very clear on this; if you wanna destory the data on the hard drive you shred it. If you REALLY REALLY REALLY care, you incinerate the pieces afterwards

throw it in a volcano.

Invest in a $2 hammer
It will destroy any hard drive and lasts forever

Bitch just salty he went for lolis instead of his imouto.

Is the microwave still functional and safe for food afterwards? Because, you know, why wreck an appliance if you don't have to.

>$2 hammer
Whoa check out Richie Rich over here.
Just use a rock. Rocks are free

>Is the microwave still functional and safe for food afterwards?
Maybe.

> milky coins
where am i gonna find a GF for that?

>implying that destruction can't be bypassed

Hard Drives
>Disassemble
>Fuck up the platter surfaces
>Cut them up with tin snips into small pieces
>Destroy the PCB
>Them the parts in to random dumpsters

SD/Micro SD Cards
>Break them in half
>Flush them down a toilet

SSDs and Flash Drives
>Open them up
>Break the PCBs and Storage Chips
>Flush down a toilet

CDs/DVDs/etc
>Cut them up
>Throw a way in the trash

What about USB flash storage drive stick?

Just buy an hdd destruction dedicated microwave duh. What are you, a poorfag?

>SSDs and Flash Drives

Just buy a cheap ass 800 watt Walmart brand one

My question is why is there so much paranoid shit when discussing how to destroy a hard drive, literally damaging the platters is enough
I don't know why people take into account NSA or big government level forensic methods that still don't even recover most of the data, I've looked into it and I haven't found a single article or proof that some average joe's platter has been recovered when the platters are damaged, in fact recovery centers instantly say that destroyed platters are unrecoverable

people don't get that reference anymore :(
very sads

Yes, but:
1. Waste of lead
2. Some people don't have gunz

Say it broke so you took it apart to play with the magnets.

tl;dw

It's fun to destroy things.

Just take the platters out put them in a drill chuck, crank them up to high speed, and grind them down against a cinder block. That will dust them.

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It's usually brought up because there are actual data destruction standards that have been established by groups that have data worth protecting. It makes a talking point.
I agree though. A hammer and a punch will do just fine with any HDD, especially if the platters are ceramic, but it isn't like a read head will survive going over a warpped aluminum disk with a jagged hole in it either.
SSDs it's mostly about smashing the chips; so a few more precises hits with a punch. It is the simplest thing in the world.

no, but they complement, rather than replace, each other.
for physical destruction, i recommend thermite.
just break out the filings from an etch-a-sketch

99.99% of people discussing it are paranoid. For everyone not handling classified information, a single pass of random data to overwrite everything on the disk is fine. Only CIA/KGB level labs will be able to recover anything after that.

Belt sander then hammer

>Take old 30GB 2.5" hard drive to destroy before getting rid of it
>Take platter out
>Flex the platter a little, don't expect anything to happen
>Shit explodes into 100 pieces and flies everywhere in the room

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Just submerge it in pure shit.

too noisy and also might get shot in the proccess if destroying while 3letter agency at door

a kindergarden ;^)

CDs
microwave silver side up for 5s then break

Im laughing

One thing I noticed is that no one takes into account where trash goes, your hdd is either getting recycled as metal (crushed and melted) or buried in a landfill that'll get buried in a few years or so to make more room for more landfills, ignoring also that thousands of tons of trash get disposed every day
Between that and normal people who don't give a shit and simply throw a dead hard drive into the garbage, and nothing happens to them, I'm starting to believe it's all paranoid bullshit that only works for big companies and government agencies

Yes we do cunt

Won't work unless you rub them all over the platters VERY quickly. Modern disks have too high a coercivity to be seriously affected by even N45 magnets just being around.

>Just toss your trash in the ocean
Don't.

Will not work. You'll only kill the control board. Microwaves to not produce strong magnetic forces. You may get some arcing, but you'll only destroy a small amount of the surface.

Death by firearm is a valid method if your goal is preventing casual reading of the disk, but a nail and a hammer works just as well at this. Be warned, much of the surface will still be readable via advanced methods unless you totally gore it with hundreds of nail/bullet strikes.

This, kinda. A wood fire is way hotter than the curie temp for basically everything. you can use a blow torch on the platters too, and it's faster. 30 seconds at red hot is plenty to totally degauss the platters.

This is also effective. You can just sand the surface though, no need to literally turn the whole platter to dust.

Super easy. Always use encryption on your drive. Once you want to get rid of the data, zero it out. Then reencrypt for new data. If you're tossing the drive, and the data was encrypted, zero it, then destroy the drive, or just skip the zeroing part and go straight to detroying it if you're confident the encryption won't be broken.

The point of encryption is so people cannot access your data if they steal the drives or you lose it, the zeroing is so the data won't be decrypted ever in the case that the algorithm is broken, and the destruction is in case any other data is stored on another part of the disk that is innaccessible.

It cant

im sure they can get some data off of it if you just break it in half

Which means you haven't destroyed it enough.

based lawyer

As mechanisms to re-enforce/harden encrypted resources, how many of you guys are physically locking your systems/using things like USBKill?

Is there anything else which should be done to enhance implementation of encrypted resources?

yeh and if they can decrypt my shit that means i havent encrypted enough

You'll be able to decrypt any encryption with enough time.

im sure theres ways around

what if they hack around the password? or run a bypass or something

Happened to me once, turned to glitter, got some minor cuts.

Just throw it in acid

Is there going to be a storage vendor with a 'Secure Enclave' technology, but for local storage (SSDs)?