SSD's: Threat or Meme

ocz was the shit in those years

Is that personal experience, or summarizing OP?
>implying HDD's don't break either
>In that time, I was also brought one bad HDD
>The only hard disk I have ever owned since new that has failed was in an iPod Classic 160GB, which I dropped multiple times
Sounds like acknowledgement of HDD failure to me
>SSDs aren't for archival or long term storage
So you're saying that people should stick with HDD's
Yeah they're a meme

for archival storage (write once, read someday) I'd argue SSD's are superior.
They fail when written to repeatedly.

I use 4 right now in RAID 0, SATA ones. Been for over a year and no problems.
Oldest ones I have are around 6-7 years old, usually chink brands like the one with the kolibri on it.
SSDs make great system and temporary local storage drives, i.e. for games. They aren't for long term storage, neither are HDDs actually, they are also easy to break (no, HDDs in RAID are not backup either, they are redundancy).
Not to mention, warranties on today's drives are pretty nuts. 400 TBW? 5 Years?

The only archival and backup method for consumers I'd say is tape. Otherwise stick to SSDs as much as you can and HDDs for when you need cheap storage-unit/currency-unit.

SSDs also corrupt data on them over time when powered off, since they quite literally leak electronics from their cells. Sure in reality it's like, 90% chance of corruption after 3 years of cold storage, but still.
They are not meant to be used for archival.

Tape is still the best for archival tbqh

>So you're saying that people should stick with HDD's
People should use the right tool for the job.

Hm, interesting. Don't they use NAND, essentially the same type physically as flash/EEPROM uses?

Those can have bits flip over time, but in practice it's exceedingly rare.

>Tape is still the best for archival tbqh
So long as it's not that ampex sticky shed stuff and you have a backup drive/reader, agreed

>So you're saying that people should stick with HDD's
for data storage of course.

SSDs are for programs and your OS, not data storage of documents, movies, pictures, music, etc. All of that should still be on HDDs.

SSD's seem like a tool for burning a lot of money for unreliable storage that has faster retrieval speeds.

Tfw fuji and sony are slapping each other so we have to deal with M8 tapes for now

No one is forcing you to use ssd. Have fun with your spinning rust, OP.

>tool for burning a lot of money
lmao what the fuck fantasy are you living in?

I can get a 500GB SATA SSD for easily under $100. That stores my OS and ALL of my programs.

Everything else is on HDDs.

big SSDs are definitely a meme. just get a 120gb SSD as a boot drive and forget about it

Almost $50 for 500gb SSDs now

I take backups

>ssd
lmao nigger what are you doing?

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Likewise I can easily get a 2TB HDD for under $100
>I take backups
Never said I didn't.

>Likewise I can easily get a 2TB HDD for under $100
They don't serve the same purpose so directly comparing them is retarded.

As already said, no one is suggesting you replace ALL of your data storage with SSDs, just the OS and primary programs.

>used for OS only
>needing data recovery
>lazy asspull list of manufacturers and OSes
>conveniently only controller failures instead of going RO
>implying gahnoo lunix users needing you to recover their SSDs for them
ITT: Jow Forums LARP club

I can only assume OP is poor and retarded.

Anyone with more than 2 braincells to rub together has moved to SSD for OS and apps, with HDDs for bulk storage.

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>17.75TB total storage
that's a lot of hentai

They are much more dense than common flash/EEPROM. That's why corruption is much easier to happen. SSD NAND is literally geared towards speed and data density, that's what SSDs are for, they aren't made to sit in storage.
I have plenty of 90's teach that used flash, like the early user updatable BIOSes, all corrupt after been standing in storage for over 10 years.

>7200 RPMS faster than speed of light
LOL

Enjoy your rotational velocidensity.

Not really, SSDs have warranty and you have backup (I hope).
If a company is willing to give you 400 TBW and/or 5 years on a cheap SSD, i.e. a 500GB drive that costs €40, they do it because they know it will almost certainly last as long as they promise.

Most modern drives can have petabytes written to them, 10x more even than their rated TBW.
The benefits of NAND storage are not just speed though, it's also efficiency and IOPS, I used to look into CF cards for system drives for laptops for their lower power usage far before consumer SSDs were even being talked about.

Don't really know what to consider a meme, I'm definitely glad I'm using SSDs for local game storage, my hentai games load much faster, specially with all the mods.
Done all the benchmarks myself.

I’ve 4 SSDs. One nVME, one M.2, and two 2.5 inch. I’ve had no problems with any of them and I bought my first one back in 2012. That one is currently in my ThinkPad as a boot drive.

SSDs are definitely not a meme, they are one of the most impactful things you can upgrade in any PC. If you’re booting from them or loading stuff from them.

If it's videos then it's not much at all, if it's photos then yeah

I've never had a SSD fail on me (yet) but my oldest one is from 2013. I do have the impression a lot of SSDs made earlier than that had a high failure rate, specially from brands like OCZ.

I suspect it's just like with HDDs, some fail after 3 months (happened with a Seagate), some last 12 years (a WD Black started clicking and died on me after being used daily for that long). As an example of how brands matter, these days Kingston has a SSD series that's dirt cheap. These A400 series SSDs have a 40+% failure rate (how Kingston is getting away with selling them and not being sued is beyond me).

Anyway, OP, Take this advice: just use RAID1 either with two SSDs of different brand/model or a SSD and a HDD in --write-mostly. That way it doesn't matter if a drive dies on you (I do this on my desktop but not my laptop because it's only got 1 2.5" slot).

It's the opposite, a SSD sitting on a shelf will loose data if it's not powered on after a few years. A HDD can just sit there for 5 years and it'll be fine.

>90% chance of corruption after 3 years of cold storage, but still.
Perhaps if it's actually somewhat cold storage (5-10C) permanently. A SSD storaged at 50C will be totally corrupted after a few months, perhaps less.

It's almost all movies and anime.

Almost no hentai, though there is certainly some, less than 200GB if I were to guess.

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Your friends are probably retarded and trimmed their SSDs.

I have had a Samsung 860 EVO since 2013 that has written hundreds of TB. Still going strong and has never caused me an issue. Still performing as well as it did the day I got it.

>storaged at 50C
I mean...are you fucking storing it in the middle of the desert?

This
From what I've heard--and from that Samsung debacle, SSD's have to be 'energized' at least once a Year, and correct me if I'm wrong, 'refreshing' a SSD includes energizing all the cells.

Someone please correct me if I'm being retarded.

My porn folder is 2TB and I don't even have any videos
Send help

Mechanical drives are still highly sought after and are getting to be cheaper than ever. You can get off the shelf 14TB drives in standard 3.5" form factor for like $500 each now. I remember when a brand new 320GB would go for $80. If you're thinking of using SSDs for mass storage, that's just stupid unless you're hosting an extremely high end high bandwidth super server where the 3 seconds waiting for the disks to spin up is a make or break for you. If we're going based on anecdotal evidence, I've owned countless SSDs, as well as built / upgraded PCs for people with SSDs of varying brands and have not had a single one fail on me. I still use a Samsung 830 series 120GB I bought at launch as the boot drive for my main PC.

That doesn't seem healthy, on the bright side though, HDD storage is dirt cheap these days, 2TB is nothing.

It's mainly that my mood varies a lot. Sometimes I want gyaru abortion porn, sometimes I want scalie guro porn, sometimes I want vanilla romance shit. Having enough to sate my moods while covering all of them takes a fair bit of room.

as long as you keep them properly organized, I see no issue

Sure, 50C isn't very likely. I was just trying to point out that SSDs lose data faster the higher the storage temperature is so how long you can leave a device powered off before the data's gone varies a lot between 10 and 20 and 30 and 40C.

Interestingly.. for some odd reason SSDs will retain data longer if the _operating_ temperature was high. Generally you'd like you case to be cool but for some reasons it helps SSDs if it's hot. idk why. Come to think of it, perhaps I should tape my SSDs to the PSU or something.

> du -sh pron/
> 5.8T pron/
You're not the only one with .. problems.

Yeah I do, otherwise I wouldn't be able to find what I want when I want it.

most of that 90s stuff used EEPROM, or even EPROM. Especially if it's early 90s.
EPROM in particular can be risky due to sensitivity to UV light.

Lol youre lucky
My first and only dead SSD was an ocz

>Am I the only one who still is apprehensive about SSD's?
Yes /thread

ssds are a scam by cloud companies to get you to feel that you need to migrate your data to the cloud

A pity we don't have a widely available mass-storage local solution with actual reliability in 2019 when there absolutely is a need for that.
HDDs are cheaply made and have too many moving parts while SSDs only live as long as the weakest piece of PCB componentry onboard. As I said, a pity.

I have one desktop PC which still uses the standard HDD and I tolerate it. Every other device of mine has an SSD. With my laptop the load times using an HDD were awful.

had one SSD that was dead on arrival, wd blue m.2 so i refunded it
the 6 or 7 others i've had have been fine, including a crucial m4 i've been using since 2012

For average consumer there really is no need.

I was skeptical until I got one of the first or 2nd gen one from a friend who forgot about it when he moved. It wasn't powered on in years and is working fine. Bought my own m.2 adata and it also works great.

No user, then you're buying cheap shitty ones. and I'd never use a seagate for anything other than a backup drive. i have 2 toshibas that were expensive as shit (one was 2-3 TB and over $1.2k) and it fucking runs perfectly...

Everyone knows that correct answer is to use both. If you're too poor for that then just stick to your 1 TB HDDs. Just don't go all Aesop's wine and tell yourself a bunch of faerie tales about SSDs. They're great and have 8+ active life time years in them, they're just not meant for long-term storage or multimedia.

Literally never had an SSD die on me m80. I have one 840 Pro, two 860 Evos, a few friends that have 850 Evos. I even have a few random offbrand chinese ones that work fine.

>Most writes were going to secondary HDD's
>Most writes were going to secondary HDD's
>Most writes were going to secondary HDD's
>Most writes were going to secondary HDD's
>Most writes were going to secondary HDD's

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>>Been given four dead, totally un-readable SSD's (three Samsung, one Intel) from friends who wanted me to help them recover data

It's pretty easy for an SSD's boot controller to get corrupted. All that's needed is an unsafe power off event while it's writing or something, which it will be doing often because of how OSs work.

Resetting it is also very simple. Just leave your PC in BIOS for 30 minutes and then turn your PC off complete, including at the PSU. Pull the SSD from the sata power if you have to, for a few minutes, then power back on. NVME may need a different process but should also have a reset function built it.

>tfw I store my music on an SSD just to piss you off.

I put most movies/music I plan to watch/listen to an SSD so I don't have to spin up the HDD.

>tape
No, tape degrades. There is no perfect storage medium, the best thing you can do is just continuously buy new drives and keep your backups fresh.

I refurbished an Acer Aspire 5741z that was laying around the house. I took out its 500GB HDD and put in two 240GB SSDs: one in the storage slot and the other in the DVD Driver slot. I also got two 4GB RAM for this bad boy.
Now it's my main computer. It's fast as fuck and can do pretty much everything I'd need it to do.
Now, the 500GB HDD, I turned into an external storage device and I did the same with the 500GB HDD from my old computer. I also have the option of buying a dock full of ports and two HDD slots and connect it to the notebook via USB.
I did well?

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>It's pretty easy for an SSD's boot controller to get corrupted. All that's needed is an unsafe power off event while it's writing or something
No. There are plenty of fail-safes on controllers for both HDDs and SSDs to prevent this from happening, controllers only get corrupted under extremely rare circumstances; and "leaving your computer at the BIOS screen" isn't going to fix it.

They are a threat, the less demand to lower the supply the more expensive it is to make a HDD, the more expensive, the more price cutting. Basically as HDD are sold less, the durability, and quality will go down, to ensure the most profits due do a change in the demand curve, which will affect slowly the supply curve.

Of my 3 ssds, only my ocz agility 3 failed, and we all know why that was.

Most laptops that aren't meant to run games (no laptop should with the current industry trend of reducing the form factor as much as possible) just need an SSD to be fast working machines again.

I don't see a problem with this as long a SSDs get cheaper relative to the supply increase, eventually they will be on par or cheaper than HDDs as demand for HDDs decreases, and they are becoming more reliable with better total read/write counts with each generation that manufacturers produce.

Is that seriously what you think happened to CRTs?

Not all manufacturers go for form factor reduction in the extreme, there are plenty of gaming laptops available that have adequate cooling to run current gen AAA titles on very high settings.

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Don't be a knob. I've been using one since 2015 and it's fine. It was anupgrade that made a huge difference and I haven't looked back since. I swear by them now. For critical data use a mechanical drive but at least throw your OS and applications on the SSD and make backups if you're scared about reinstalling Linux or Windows. The only things that's a meme these days are these threads.

Nothing is reliable these days, I've come into 5 broken SSDs.

Intel 525
Intel 530
EZLINK Sigma
Crucial MX100
Kingston UV400 one failed one still works.
All were running as boot drives. No samsung SSDs in my country unless privately imported with heavy taxes.
None of them failed gracefully or went into read only mode, they just flat out blue screened and dropped from bios mid use and were never detected again.

BX500 sporadically hangs for a few seconds firmware is current, SMART shows up fine.

On the other hand
EZLINK T34
UMAX 330
KLEVV NEO N500
Kingston V300
Kingston UV500
KingDian S100 (used only to back up core server files)

All still work.

During the same period of time I've had broken
Hitachi 160gb*7
Seagate 500G*2
Hitachi 1TB
Toshiba 1TB
WD Black 1TB *2
WD EZRZ 2TB
WD Blue 4TB
Seagate 8TB failed within 1st month, RMAed new drive has been good for 2+ years by now.

I have around 26~28 other hdds still in use and too lazy to list them all.

I've also had fail
ADATA 16GB microSD lifetime warranty
Transcend 4GB DDR3 1600 *2 lifetime warranty
Sandisk Cruzer 8GB fuck Sandisk never buying this shit again.

>same ssd since 2012 probably
>old case didnt have an ssd slot so just sit that fucker in the dvd bay
>move pc around a lot, ssd moving around and shit
>still works flawlessly

ssds die? lolwut

yes they do burn out faster but i am okay with spending $100 every five years on a new boot drive when my computer boots to desktop in like 3 seconds

if you're using ssds for data backup what the fuck are you smoking? intel stock?

No they are terrible for archival storage. Without power over time they will lose data.

except there was a clear logistical convenience to get rid of CRT screens as well as the novelty of a thin display that people were willing to put up with in 2004 for a worse picture

there isn't really a logistical benefit to switching to solid state and solid state drives perform better than hard drives already (except for lifetime)

i don't think it's a valid comparison

i bought a 80gb ocz ssd in 2011 and i had it for 6 years. dumped me to bios when i turned it on one day and replaced it. figured it died but i put it in an old laptop and installed windows on it so maybe i just got unlucky with a corrupted a sector

Modern seagate is shit.
Seagate prior to the maxtor buyout was decent.
I would never buy a new seagate HDD anymore, but these old ones keep chugging.

"leave your PC in the BIOS" is retarded advice.
Also if you need to reset the NVME in an SSD that means you lose 100% of your data.
With most common HDD failure modes you can still rescue most of the data on the disk.

Tape does degrade, but depending on how you encode the data and how tightly you pack it you can create a relatively robust backup format. Nothing lasts forever.

It could also happen like what happened with 35mm photography film. Nowadays you can get better quality 35mm color film than ever before, but no one buys it because it costs so much.

CRT's are a very cool technology, but their advantages were too small compared to their many inherent problems.

I absolutely love retro video games and my CRT's, but I'd never say that "normies" should buy one.

Do you work in a datacenter or something?
>Sandisk Cruzer 8GB fuck Sandisk never buying this shit again.
Amen.

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CS and CE majors are retarded when it comes to hardware, and so are you.

Defective drives die quickly, good ones will go on for decades. The same will probably be said for SSDs in the future.

>photos
disgusting

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Shipping is what secured CRT death.You have limited amount of weight and space allotted in freight truck, as well as the shipping container. Everyone loves big screens, but with flat screens you can ship 5 for the price on 1 CRT. The technology was just enough thanks to shipping cost saving. Streamline processing further boosted it.

>CE majors are retarded when it comes to hardware
>Computer Engineers
>The guys who design the buses and board layouts and potentially even the CPU logic, architecture, and addressing logic
>are retarded when it comes to hardware

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Depends on what you need. If you need data security, then yes they are a meme. But then again, having a single copy of data on a mechanical hard drive isn't much better.

SSDs are for when performance is critical, mechanical hard drives are for when capacity is.

capacity or general likelihood of booting your system on a given day*

Then SSDs are preferable, because boot cycles cause heavy wear in mechanical drives and boot times are reduced by SSD performance.

Mechanical drives should be used in always on environments to guarantee reliability.

That is fucking awesome. I wonder if I could do something similar on Linux as well. Or rotate between two OS's and still have the same drives. Either way its a good idea to have different drives for different things.

It's easier to destroy an SSD than a HDD. Did you ever consider that?

I've installed 100+ SSDs for legal staff over the past few years. Not one has failed. While they certainly are overkill for more legal work, popping an SSD into an aging laptop tends to solve most issues.

>implying I reboot more than a handful of times over the course of a year

My point is that when SSD's fail they fail suddenly and terribly.

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SSDs are not even real. The chips actually contain micro sized hard drives.