Thank you for buying Huawei smartphones, Americans

>being this new
thinkpads have been shilled here literally forever

Fuck you China I buy Asus phone Taiwan numba one

Thank you master. May I have a Chinese waifu?

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There's a difference between a popular product that everyone loves vs. obvious corporate advertising.

Huawei phones are good. I have the Honor 9. Less than half the price of a new iPhone and just as good. Btw Apple and Google already spy on you.

that's totally beside the point my dude.

none of you fuckers are answering the question. WHY is lenovo considered fine while huawei is regarded with eternal suspicion?
I'm not suggesting either is a great option security wise, but why on earth does huawei get bashed nonstop while lenovo with their proven record of preinstalled malware is just ignored?

Feel? Are you retarded? Of course they are.

Because lenovo has USA backdoors and Huawei refused to add them, so the goverment is very vocal about not wanting you to use them, if you think about it they are even safer since they are outside the 14 eyes

Because very obviously, US wants 5G but not from a Chinese company. If the said 5G is from lenovo rather than huawei, then US will be blocking lenovo instead. Is all about what the US say.

Fuck huawei and china, they've been fucking cunts to my country recently

I mean sure, but think about it. Due to the nature of capitalism literally all software is buggy hole-filled shit. All the NSA/whatever has to do is use the existing plausibly deniable "bugs" or just do some extra work to find real ones. The US gov shouldn't give a flying fuck what people use, they can find a hole in anything if they care to. Apple, lenovo, dell, huawei, microsoft, xiaomi, doesn't fucking matter they all have exploitable holes.

Maybe they're concerned that huawei comes with built-in chinese holes in a way that lenovo doesn't, but the previous sentence applies equally to china as it does to the US. ALL modern computing devices are complex enough that the existence of viable exploits for anything you want is highly probable. Just like the US shouldn't give a shit, neither should the chinese. And in practice we already know this is true, anywhere in the west where people have interesting research you can find stories of how they got hacked by the chinese.

So again, why the whining about huawei and the silence on lenovo? If huawei is legitimately a problem in the way the US and euro news claim it is, then so is lenovo and they should be saying so. They're not, so what else could be going on here (aside from journalists being really dumb)? Is it all about trying to preserve a market for intel's abortion of a 5g modem or something? Does the west feel threatened by huawei's suspiciously cheap devices in a way that lenovo's more expensive higher end shit is immune to?

Something just feels weird about all of this.

lmao there is 0 doubt every possible metric on you is being tracked

Yeah welcome to politics. Individual people can be nice, but on the world stage interactions are 100% game theory and if you go into them expecting anything else I hope you've got a lot of vaseline on hand 'cause your ass is gonna need it.

Lenovo is considered kosher if libre/corebooted, duh. Are you new?

Yes, but the problem here is that is more expensive and time consuming searching for bugs or using the current ones as opposed to a backdoor, they simply don't want to deal with devices where they don't have easy access, they don't really care if they spy on you, they care if is as easy for them as for the chinese

Unfortunately I've been here a very long time, friend. Back on topic though that still only reduces the attack surface and more importantly only applies to older hardware. Some people really do need faster hardware than a first gen i7, not to mention the significant battery life improvements since then with the smaller chips / lower TDPs.

And the bigger issue with those is the lack of speculative execution fixes in coreboot. Not that I trust intel any further than I can throw them, but all of information security is a dumpster fire of epic proportions and core/libreboot is little more than a glass of lukewarm water.

>Americans
It's Euros who buy Huawei in droves, not Americans.

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I remain unconvinced. Check out
>arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/03/how-microsoft-found-a-huawei-driver-that-opened-systems-up-to-attack/
This is a really fuckin simple and 100% deniable backdoor, is it really that much more of a pain in the ass to just use the built-in chinese backdoors instead of going to the trouble to implant your own? Like seriously, there's considerable risk in getting a backdoor implanted and virtually zero in using one somebody else made.

The impact of specEx shouldn't be understated. Literal drive-by javascript on a random-ass website can take over your system with it if you're unprotected or somebody found a new exploit chain

I use a huawei laptop, they get all my data

yeah an it's interfering with my NSA installs

You're welcome-o you silly ole bear.

Not installing fucked up NSA backdoors is a step forward

Thank you superior country for selling us superior products

All chinese company by law shoud participated in Chinese goverment surveilance program.

Isn't thinkpad general only shilling older lenovo thinkpad?

>huawei
I'm buying Xiaomi, but thanks anyways for making great phones for 200 bucks, winnie. My cheap europoor ass can't afford those 1k flagships. Also, I'd rather have the Chinese spy on me than the US, tbqh.

>great phones
>Chinese
Hilarious. I’m glad someone makes a phone cheap enough you can afford but don’t sit here and try to convince me you aren’t using garbage. Lie to yourself all you want but don’t bring that here

Why? What exactly can your iPhone X-whatever do that a cheap Chinaphone can't? Besides NFC.

Literally all cloud services are comprised by the American government.

The Chinese government reading about my weed talk? Don't matter to me.

I'll enjoy cutting edge technology while I burn.

>single most-shilled item
>What is xiaomi/poco
It's not really fair to call it shilling. It's OnePlus all over again. And virtually all of their devices are developer friendly, so, that gets rid of the whole telemetry concern as well.

>My Also, I'd rather have the Chinese spy on me than the US, tbqh.
God, this retarded bullshit in the same breath as mentioning you own a Xiaomi phone which you can use a custom ROM on with microG.

Yes yes, I’m sure your chink phone can make calls, text and presumably browse the internet. Imagine not knowing the downsides of buying cheap Chinese trash. I remember when China started flooding the west with their cheap garbage. I wasn’t too worried about it because who would want that shit? I really underestimated how many poor and stupid people there are. Badly

Yes, they use them as a botnet to power their A.I.

Quick reminder that Cisco was found to have shipped hardware with backdoors on multiple occasions, yet Huawei was never caught spying. So we should buy Cisco instad of Huawei, r-right?

What the fucking fucking fucking fuck are you talking about? Some non-existent device you made up in order to prove some kind of a point?

technode.com/2019/04/19/who-owns-huawei-clearly-not-its-employees-paper/

no worries Xi, perhaps we can grab a beer sometime

xiaomi is chinese too

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Uh, I didn't even know that huawei employees may be shareholders.

USA SPYING BAD
CHINA SPYING GOOD

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USA SPYING GOOD
CHINA SPYING BAD

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USA dont need to sp.y CIA has trained parapsychics who can see anything in this world by their third eye.

I welcome our chinese overload, thanks for providing us with cheap and good phones.

Also I would rather be spied by the chinese than the americans.

Posted from a Huawei P10 Lite

The Chinese police thanks you.
reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/bfm0t8/pe3zxhuaweiblocklist_captured_dns_requests_from/

why don't you go to thinkpad general and ask them? this thread is an obvious Jow Forums propaganda (not that i'm very excited about either cia or chink backdoors) and nobody except me knows what they're talking about.

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I wouldn't say good, but china is far and i am more afraid of my own government than tyrants on the other side of the world.

If i were to watch and save child porn (which i do not, for the record) or spread hatespeech or antigovernment sentiment (which i do not either, officer) or record my drugs trade (which i don't do either), it is safer for me to China have access to my data than my own government.

It might be different for people on higher / strategic positions, but not for my broke, lazy ass.

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Just goes to show how retarded Jow Forums really is, Lenovo was never good, Huawai is Chinese botnet, but Windows is the worst thing ever because the teenyboppers can't afford it, yet everyone masquerades as some enlightened technopriest, puhthetic

fuck off traitor

>pay $300 to be spied on
vs
>pay $1000 to be spied on

Same thing goes with Motorola. I really don't know what's the thing against only Huawei.

probably because lenovo is kosher but Huawei is not
reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-huawei/u-s-intelligence-says-huawei-funded-by-chinese-state-security-report-idUSKCN1RW03D

this company can't go a month without making the news. Some Chinese companies are very popular in US markets and work to keep it that way. Some like ZTE and Huawei, you learn to stay away from.

And the issue with that article is? The US gov supports US companies financially in a bunch of ways as well.

>X is a Chinese company --> The Chinese government can force X to compromise its products
For all in tents and porpoises, Huawei=X=Lenovo.

Jow Forums unironically loves getting chinked because it's considered hip and counter-culture

Don't most Americans think that banning Huawei is more likely a marketing tactic?

>Due to the nature of capitalism literally all software is buggy hole-filled shit.
Why do you say that capitalism is the cause of that?
>>So again, why the whining about huawei and the silence on lenovo?
The US government and its contractors were bannned from using Lenovo products long ago. Maybe there is something especially nefarious about Huawei these days? Or maybe it's just because Huawei has been pretty brazen with its spying and espionage activities.

>i don't want american dog shit, give me chink camel shit instead

I thought that as well a few years ago when they had that spat with AT&T but I'm not so sure anymore. It might be a little protectionism and Huawei being aggressive (and getting caught) with their espionage activities. With the way US companies are allowed to use foreign labor to sell goods to its citizens I would doubt that the government actually cares where citizens buy their phones from unless it was threatening the government itself or more importantly its pocket book.

Huawei has close ties to the Chines gov't (founded by ex-mil) and is pretty much founded on stolen Nortel technology. Their telecom equipment is still effectively banned in the West. Don't know much about Lenovo though.

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Just to add to the conversation Lenovo does employ a fair amount of blacks.

This is a legitimate strategy. If for some reason I wanted my comms to be out of my governments I would base them in a country that is hostile to my own (or just not one of the "eyes" countries).

>>record my drugs trade (which i don't do either)
Never denied committing drug trades only denied recording them. Hopefully you're giving the CIA their cut

I love the Winnie the Pooh thing but is Falun Dafa associated with Falun Gong?

Nokia was caught shipping Pureview 9's with chink spyware

>Why do you say that capitalism is the cause of that?
In healthy capitalistic markets there's competition, and new shiny shit that works 99.99% of the time sells better than some ugly ancient dinosaur-tier tech whose sole selling point is some sort of "proof of correctness" nonsense that's probably not even true^[1].

Note that I'm not saying it would be better under communism, it'd be equally shit just for slightly different reasons.

>Or maybe it's just because Huawei has been pretty brazen with its spying and espionage activities.
And Lenovo hasn't? It's like everybody forgot about the superfish thing.

[1]: This is the other issue, computers are just too fucking complicated to trust. Even if your OS is perfect, if someone compromised the hardware it was all for nothing. And likewise, if you spend millions on labor to get a secure OS all it takes is pressure on a single weak link employee to get something compromising inserted. There's no winning move here unless you switch back to a typewriter.

lol no that's a highly questionable strategy, the moment you start tunneling shit to a hostile country from the NSA's point of view you just became the most interesting thing in your entire city.

Superfish was Israeli adware that is easily removed though so I don't know if it fits in the same vain as the conversation but it does show a willingness to install adware from the factory.

>> And likewise, if you spend millions on labor to get a secure OS all it takes is pressure on a single weak link employee to get something compromising inserted.
Agreed. I think the only way to mitigate such issues is open source software so that people can validate however we should also provide copyright protections for the companies that produce that software.

>>There's no winning move here unless you switch back to a typewriter.
Funny enough the German government did just that.