>patches the shit out of packages instead of following upstream
>uses ancient in-house magic to configure packages
>non-reproducible builds
>shit systemd implementation
how do we unfuck debian?
Patches the shit out of packages instead of following upstream
Samuel Torres
Cooper Allen
why would we*
Bentley Hernandez
Most upstream software is garbage that must be patched to form a coherent system. It's hardly different from BSD ports.
Jason Roberts
there's nothing to "unfuck"
Benjamin Kelly
>Windows
>Download .exe or .msi
>Install
>It just werks
>Linux
>Have to have other people re-package the software for you just to make it work
Parker Flores
This
Juan Barnes
Debian has been moving away from patching upstream when not necessary, and is on the road to 100% reproducible builds. As far as I know, around half of all packages are reproducible, only a couple years after the reproducible package initiative started.
Sebastian Russell
why
>Debian has been moving away from patching upstream when not necessary, and is on the road to 100% reproducible builds
really?
>around half of all packages are reproducible
when they can achieve 90% reproducible in debian10
Hunter Allen
Jace Jones
Evan Nelson
Dylan Mitchell
why would we want it to reproduce? we have enough offshoots as it is
Kayden Butler
you are probably trolling but in case you are unironically saying that, reproducible-builds.org
Alexander Russell
Already done. It's called Devuan
Michael Foster
>halfassed systemd removal
>not even a package recompile to cut out the libsystemd dependencies
Tyler Jenkins
>adding more patches on the already heavily-patched packages
>slap a different init and call it a new distro
Aiden Wood
For the manpower they have is neat.
Xavier James
>Windows
>Have to have other people create an installer for the software just to make it work
>Linux
>sudo apt install nigger
Austin Young
>Debian has been moving away from patching upstream when not necessary
when and where did they explicitly stated that?
i am reading their maintainer's guide and developer reference but none of them have stated to avoid patching when not necessary
Easton Torres
No, it's not. I could do a better job at that alone.
Cameron Stewart
>when and where did they explicitly stated that?
They haven't explicitly stated it. If you've been a debian user for a while you've seen more and more packages updated to match their upstreams over the last few years. There's been discussion about it in mailing lists as well, but I don't know how to track anything in particular down.
Jaxson Lopez
bump
Ayden Collins
Debian user here
>Pronouns are she/her
>5 inches
Christian Ward
Devuan
Wyatt Butler
That shit is sadly outdated. Their "how to use Debian" is using 7/Jessie when 8/Stretch is stable now IIRC.
Debian is sorely mismanaged at the moment.
Daniel Adams
>reproducible-builds.org
So, Debian is in a better situation than Arch and Fedora?
tests.reproducible-builds.org
tests.reproducible-builds.org
Camden Baker
>pube for logo
Angel White
should have found the designer known as 4channel Jow Forums to design the logo for them
Colton Brooks
imagine having such a shitty and cucked distro that you think this is true
Brody Allen
>Debian is sorely mismanaged at the moment.
fucking poo in the loos are fucking every OS up atm. also, ever notice that debian's logo is shit water spinning down in a toilet when you flush?
Thomas Stewart
Luis Rodriguez
7 was wheezy, 8 was jessie. Learn what you're talking about first.
Brandon Hughes
rather use ubuntu
Jordan Gomez
Lincoln Campbell
not him and it is true
Samuel Lopez
Been using debian for a while and haven't bumped into anything yet which needs to be unfucked ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Luke Gutierrez
MX/antiX are better systemd-less Debian