Any sysadmins here? How work us going? Enjoy it? What certs do you have?

You have an associates and youre making 64K a year? God damn I should have done some computer science shit...

Sysadmins that can script are much more useful than the ones that can't. Software comes and goes but you'll always be able to program once you learn. I have colleagues that are completely reliant on third-party software to do anything. If it can't do it, they can't do it. It's sad. But if you can be the one that scripts a solution when nobody else can that gives you value.

Most places don't really care as long as it's in something technology or science related. I'm always on hiring committees and the only thing a sysadmin with a liberal arts degree tells me is that they're bad at making life decisions. It still helps with HR because they're glorified robots that just look to check boxes. If they see a bachelor's degree or master's degree it gives them the warm fuzzies. If you make it past HR then prior job experience is always better as far as I'm concerned, especially if you can back it up with actual examples of what you did and how you made things better.

I have a bachelors degree in molecular biology with a focus on virology and immunology and I am 100% incapable of getting a job without getting a PhD and niggas out here getting 64K with an associates.

Learn english and how to ask a question, fucking pajeet.

I have no active certs. But I had my CC&A a few years ago from costco

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was a sysadmin for several years, took a job in infosec specializing in the cloud and container space with a 68% pay jump and haven't really looked back since. I still get to scratch the admin itch because I build and maintain shit on aws/gcloud/azure but my landscape has expanded quite a bit and I work from home. I look back on my admin years with fondness, but I wouldn't go back without at least a 50% raise so that won't happen.

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Who even admins single systems anymore? got a virtual system image per process.

I should also mention, I never got a single fucking cert. Just got lucky getting a job to begin with and never took that for granted.

I have some certs but there are others I want but can't afford. Is it acceptable to put somewhere in my resume that I'd be willing to get the certs you want at demand?

>tfw failed CCNA in college years ago
how do I get it now? I don't even know where to start

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9tut.com premium and buy Lammle's book

It's all fucking cloud shit these days anyway with their fucking shit "serverless" buzzwords. All companies wants to be Amazon's bitch when it comes to server management

My boyfriends dad is the highest up guy in terms of overseeing the management of website hosting for a company that hosts a big ass share of the internet including some of the biggest sites (wont mention what sites in the .01% chance he browses here, god forbid)
Works from home. Hates the people he has to deal with but whenever he gets too fed up he tells them how he wants it and they accomodate because without him everything breaks. Pretty interesting stuff, I hope to get the chance to know more about it sometime.

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Sysadmin for 10 years. I used to have CCNA and studied for CCNP but never finished and my CCNA expired. Don't care.

It took about 9 years of climbing up to arrive at almost 100k eur salary, but I'm finally here and it's amazing. 100% remote work, I can chill at a bar/beach all day and manage fleets of servers while drinking ice teas and beer.

Truly, sysadmin is the most patrician career right after security.

Pic related, it's me 24/7.

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Noice how’d you swing that one? I’ll be done school soon and job hunting.

>How work us going?
At work right now, haven't worked a single minute today though.
This is the comfy sysadmin life

Lots of packet tracer practice

>Sysadmins that can script are much more useful than the ones that can't.
I'm sorry, but a "sysadmin" that can't script shit isn't a "sysadmin", he's a fucking computer janitor.

Sysadmins build infrastructure and automate shit. In my career I've learned and used at least 15 different languages in order to automate stuff, that's how I advanced my career.

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redpill me on devops

What do you do anyway

I work for a crypto startup. I'm their sole sysadmin and manage pretty much every single thing except maybe gsuite and our main crypto assets.
Some things I do:
* Maintaining and scaling etherum clusters
* Maintaining our Continuous Integration setups
* Gradually improving our logging and monitoring setup
* Automating shit for CI and other uses
* This week I'm working on Dapp deployment automation
* Dealing with shit like signing of our Apps
* All kinds of small stuff related to our web pages and blogs
* Mentoring devs on making their software infrastructure comaptible and sysadmin friendly
* Writing all kinds of docs
* Drinking beer, smoking weed

>How work us going?
Just finished creating a new Ansible role for tdeploying go-ethereum nodes. Now I can replace all the other partial roles I've used in ovarious repos with this one and streamline shit.
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Really chill day so far, had late breakfast, playead some hearthstone, played with my cat, I'm planning to go running in an hour or so tbecause it's a beautiful day outside. My right calf is kinda mad at me for running 4 days in a irow but it'll be fine.

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"devops" is just a buzzword for "sysadmin" 99% of the time.

Real DevOps is supposed to be a setup where devs don't just develop stuff but also are involved in deploying and maintaining it, instead of having just one or few people specializing in that. But the reality is that most human being are specialist by nature, not generalists. And naturally after some company introduces "devops" what happens is few devs just start to specialize more and more in sysadmin stuff and start doing less and less development.

It can work, but it's bullshit for the most part.

My company calls my position "devops", but I'm LITERALLY a sysadmin. I've built all the infrastructure in the company, I expand it, I maintain it.

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>Any sysadmins here?
Yes
> How work us going?
Easy
>Enjoy it?
Sometimes when I get to do sexy server work, or it’s quiet enough for me to do a CTF.
>What certs do you have?
Server + and a CCNA I lied about getting.

>crypto startup
cringe

You should at least try hide how jelly you are.

I'm making REALLY decent money(in EUR, not crypto) and I personally do not give a shit about crypto bullshit. I think it's all idealistic nonsense, but they pay well, let me work fully remotely from wherever I want, and I have almost 100% free reign for tech decisions, so what do I give a shit?

And a good thing about crypto space in general is that it does have a lot of great devs floating around. I've learned a fair bit of Go and Clojure from them while working here.

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Just started as junior sysadmin
16k/year to check Veeam backups and fix shit that sometime goes down
No certs atm

>certs

None. I'm not paying to take some shit test.

>Is it acceptable to put somewhere in my resume that I'd be willing to get the certs you want at demand?
I've heard the best way to phrase this is something like "Excited [or willing] to learn new [tools/things/languages/skills]"

>no open mouth face
>confident captain cut
>prodigy
>quality street
>stanley screwdriver

Help desk here about to get a raise from $15 to $20. Feels pretty good

how do I prove my shit then without certs?

What's security like? Is it really super cush? I'm a junior in cyber security, and was planning on going back into the Army for Cyber Warfare, but if it's super comfy on the civilian side, I might just go straight into that.

>Is it really super cush?
Depends on what kind of work you enjoy. In my experience most security people go into two categories:

a) Hardcode enthusiasts that spend even their free time whitehat hacking
b) Digital age pencil pushers who mostly coordinate audits

Big companies like financial institutions do SHITLOADS of audits, which mostly consist of investigating their setups and checking off boxes(or not) and creating reports. Some people enjoy that kind of work. I know people who love it.

Forgot to add that doing security audits for financial institutions is ridiculously lucrative considering the low workload. That is if you can get to that point.

>All companies wants to be Amazon's bitch when it comes to server management
it will be their downfall
>You should at least try hide how jelly you are.
nobody gives a fuck, faggot. do you even know where you are? this isn't reddit or tumblr, so your gay stories aren't that impressive.

So jelly.

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nobody gives a fuck, you stupid faggot.

Go for a walk kid.

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>Prodigy
I AM THE FIRE STARTER!

Do you know you who are talking to you fucktard? I'm working for Bayer and I'm making 120k as a senior project manager

I can't tell if troll or retarded kid.

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>failed CCNA
how? it's so fucking easy

come to Leverkusen one day and I show you around

Looks comfy as fuck

There's at least a third major category - security engineering - where you're standing up and maintaining the defenses, dictating company policy for emerging tech, and playing bridge between devs, cybersec, and IT ops. People are starting to describe it as DevSecOps in the context that I'm doing it in because we're dealing heavily with containerized workloads, build automation, cloud environments, etc and much of our own efforts fall under Agile practicrs. I'm also 100% remote and though I was a bit worried if I'd be able to handle it in the beginning (and not just get stoned and play video games all day), it has worked out amazingly well.

>nobody gives a fuck, faggot. do you even know where you are? this isn't reddit or tumblr, so your gay stories aren't that impressive.
>>DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!?!?

>I'm also 100% remote and though I was a bit worried if I'd be able to handle it in the beginning (and not just get stoned and play video games all day), it has worked out amazingly well.
Same here. I really wondered if I could do remote work, but it turns out I'm ridiculously productive when I have a lot of responsibility on me and a lot of people depend on me.

Got to say, working remotely has increased my output by at least 50%. I think it's the ability to spread out work throughout the day easily, as well as doing less work during the week and finishing stuff on weekends when I feel like it. Makes for a much more chill working environment.

Want to go for a run? Just go.
Want to run out to do some shopping? No issue.
Want to leave early to get drunk/baked with friends? Easy!

God I love it.

>the ability to spread out work throughout the day easily, as well as doing less work during the week and finishing stuff on weekends
God this is amazing, isn't it? I log in late every day, log out early every day, and yet my productivity has shot through the roof. Some weeknights I hop back on if something is tugging at me to burn a couple hours, or I get down on the weekend for a few hours... the responsibility and having those people rely on me doesn't crush me like it might have years ago because I'm pacing the work comfortably and still getting it done early and everyone is still happy with it.
I'm more afraid now that when it's time to move on, I'll have to take another on-location gig and it'll crush my spirits.

Pretty much true. Devs mostly can't create or manage infrastructure for shit. And they don't want to.

People saying that the cloud will fix everything and that Amazon will takes systems out of the equation are fucking high and have no concept of how IT, corporate or otherwise works. There's a shitton of systems work to do. And a lot of new "DevOps" engineers are AWS monkeys that can neither into linux nor can they into systems design.

"Devops" (Systems, in reality) architect here. Designing shit is fun though I'm likely going to end up in management sooner or later.

Ha, I have a libarts degree that I paid for by being a sysadmin while still in college. Four years of work history and experience ain't no small thing, and a piece of paper to get me past the HR drones is also useful.

God dammit, what country?
t. Jr Sysadmin making $5/hr in thirdworld shithole.

This is how it normally works, you went to college and IT is a trade, just because retards do CS to later become codemonkeys or sysadmins it doesn't mean it isn't a trade.
Real Computer Scientist jobs have higher requirements.

Tier 1 helpdesk here, A+, Net+ and getting my Sec+ and CCNA later

How do I learn more about automating and scripting? Can WebDev classes help at all?

Why everyone in IT looks like an incel?

It's ok, no certs. Started 3 months ago and was in webdev before.
A bit boring (mostly doing monitoring stuff with icinga/nagios) but learning stuff and hoping to get to more interesting stuff like AIX servers and shit for what I've been told.
Doing a Telcom technician's degree slowly, which I plan to finish next year.
Would like to get a CCNA and other certs in the future.

It would be nice if you didn't judge people by their looks, I don't know the guy but maybe he is nice?

I always considered "devops" more of a shift in the way you're supposed to look at your stack as a whole. This would include designing/building/maintaining cloud resources where it makes sense, designing/building/maintaining containerized environments where it makes sense, managing CI/CD tools, automating anything you can, using config management tooling like Ansible or Chef or Puppet, etc.
There is naturally a ton of overlap between a traditional sysadmin and whatever the fuck we want to call a "devops" engineer (the word is so prone to being mischaracterized, redefined, misused, etc), but I think the "your servers are cattle, not pets" philosophy weighs much more heavily today than it did even 10 years ago. It's a very different way of looking at things than when I was an admin and gave a shit that a server just died because I had to rack a new one and do a lot of the kajiggering by hand to rack/stack/build it back to working order.

I enjoy what I do but management makes my job hell. Haven't had a raise in two years and just heard I was passed over for promotion too. The rest of my team quit so I am the only IT staff remaining and not so much as a thank you. Going to start looking this weekend lads, wish me luck.

best of luck, give the assholes a one week notice as a nice fuck you

Codeword for "do two jobs while pulling one salary"

I don't. But if you ever heard of halo effect you would see that entire society does

So I can start applying for devops jobs if all I know are docker and kubernetes?

Yeah, I know they do.

It is indeed fucking amazing. I'm not going back to an on-site gig ever again, even if I have to take a pay cut. Fuck that shit.
Just not having to travel every fucking day to the office alone is worth it.

AWS did indeed bring a lot of monkeys into the "devops" trade, but that's fine, it just means I'm oh so much better paid than them. I don't see them as a competition, more like a jobber which makes me look better.

Just because we switched to "servers are cattle" doesn't mean that the job has changed much. Yes, I no hardware work nowadays unless it for my own mini-rack, but then again I can do much more with much less. I can spin up a test fleet of 100 servers to test something and get it down the same day for low cost. I can do performance profiling, scaling testing, ddos mitigation trials, and it takes me 1/10th of the time it used to.

The job consists of the same challenges, just the scale and speed is higher.

>The rest of my team quit so I am the only IT staff remaining and not so much as a thank you.
Dude.... have you not realized yet that this puts you in a prime position to negotiate a raise? Wtf? Just tell them, it's either a promotion and a raise or you walk, and they are FUCKED.

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No real certs ATM, but I WFH and make just under 100k a year with no on call.

So glad I got into this startup during the early days. Feels good man.

either way he should look for alternative employment
if he sticks around and acts like their bitch, they're going to get used to it and keep it up
if he threatens to leave, he'll have to be in a great bargaining position every time he wants something and they'll fight him on as much as they feel they can.
shitty employers don't get better, they get replaced

no certs ( 2d animation ) but no certs, but i'd correctly read / follow fridge directions and properly use the company gym and follow the office rules, and be nice to fellow employee's, id prob sleep in my car too.

That's fair, and I do agree he should look for another job since this one clearly is fucked BUT he should also take this as an opportunity to practice negotiating. He's gonna probably leave anyway. Might as well play hard ball and see where it gets you.

bumpin this

>Just not having to travel every fucking day to the office alone is worth it.
I would kill for this. In my sysadmin job I have to get up at 7AM, take a 1 hour bus trip to make it at 9 at the office (sometimes I have to combine 2 buses even because I miss the direct line).
Get out at 6PM and with some luck I'm home at 7PM, very tired, I tried to stay awake until midnight at least in activities but I struggle with sleepiness.
It fucking sucks. For the moment I got the weekends free but it won't last for what I heard.

WebDev is trash. You are going to go fucking insane trying to get CSS just right and will probably blow your brains out at 35 years old.

Dude... you've got to start looking for remote work. Seriously.

I recommend angel.co/, a lot of remote offers there, and lots of devops too.

>Just tell them, it's either a promotion and a raise or you walk
Frankly I don't want a raise. As much as I hate to use the maymay word this place is legitimately toxic. It's a private company and the owner is a nutjob. No one just "gets a raise" or even a CoL increase because "why should we pay more if you're doing the same job?" So the only way to get a raise is promotion, but I'm already at the penultimate position in my department and we're hiring a new head, so that's another two or so years without a raise assuming the new boss leaves before I do, which isn't likely. I get one say PTO per month and 24/7 on call. It's just not worth it.

you're the only it guy, and your department head isn't in yet, so take this chance to look for another job on company time

How pajeet-infested is system administration as a field?

>How pajeet-infested is system administration as a field?
It isn't. DevOps is.

A real sysadmin, and I do mean REAL sysadmin, is usually one dude for a company of 100-500 people which owns EVERYTHING and is a fucking jack of all trades master of none. He usually knows most people in the company because everyone at some point wanted something from the sysadmin and owes him, and has the most eagles eye view of the company aside from maybe managers and CEOs.

Sysadmins aren't pack animals. They live solitary lives carrying the burden of the whole infra on their shoulders, usually with grace. We all fuckup sometimes, but when you career is having shit work you either have or naturally develop a personality which prefers to be safe than sorry.

>Jr. Sysadmin at a car dealership
>$17/hr
>CCNA, CCNA Security, CCNA Cyber-Ops
>1 year left on AAS Network Engineering
Started this month, just glad to be away from helldesk finally.

Full disclosure, I'm both and and I think what creates the huge divide for me between the "old ways" and the "new ways" revolves around the fact that when I was in a more traditional admin role, I was fighting fires a lot of the time. In my current role, I have all the breathing room I need to Build Cool Shit(tm) and facilitate other groups both on the dev and ops side at doing their jobs better with the things I provide.
In any case, you're definitely right about the monkeys in devops... they can do all the boring shit and be excited about their job in the tech sector while I do the engaging stuff and get paid better. Everybody wins.

I'm with - find yourself a remote gig. If you don't have the skillset to snag one now, start working on that. Push for projects at your current job that will get you there, start tinkering at home to get there... whatever it takes. Remote work is unbeatable.

Currently getting my CCNAs.

Work varies between mind-numbing and exciting.
I hate sitting in a room all day and programming retarded tools in even more retarded languages. And I actually do enjoy programming itself, I just hate that my tools are shit.
At the same time, it can be fun to find the issue when everything starts burning down or when you're trying to figure out a really tricky SQL command because your tools are so asinine that you have to do all formatting in SQL. Crippled SQL, at that.
Thanks, Access.

Really, I wish I could work two hours less per day. That way there'd be a little bit more incentive to just push through, get shit done and go home.

>remote work
That would be great, specially if I work for an international company since the salaries here are very low.
I'm just not sure how to get the foot in the sysadmin world (its not like a dev that can have github programs to show) with no degree, the times I've looked at remote positions it seems like they all ask for insane requirements I don't meet, I'm just a junior sysadmin and have a little experience as a webdev but that's it.

Then grind for a while. I have zero degrees and zero certs and had to take the hard way up. Ate shit and was underpaid for a few years, but I put a lot of my free time towards building my skills so I could break out of all that. What's important is that you have an admin gig right now, which means you now have work history. Stay there for a year or two, and move on if you can. You're not going to get a remote gig overnight in most cases, they're usually reserved for people who have been in the industry for a while and who can be trusted to get their shit done and have a track record already. When your resume looks prettier and you've got some accomplishments on it, it'll get a lot easier.

user where tf do I even learn about these things?

Truth be told most of the crypto stuff I learned on the job. I barely knew anything about it when they hired me. I just had good fundamentals in networking, linux, programming in over 10 languages, and almost 9 years of experience as sysadmin.

If you want to be a sysadmin I can give you a rough order of things to learn:

1. linux(comfy in shell like bash, understand processes, filesystems, permissions, etc)
2. networking(tcp/ip, http(s), dns, nat, firewalls)
3. some scripting language other than bash(python is a good start)
4. config management soft(ansible, chef, or something, ansible would be good if you already know python)
5. cloud provisioning software(this is pretty much terraform and nothing else)
6. know some of fulls tack web dev(a lot of what sysadmins do is dealing with websited of various types)

Some or all of these should give you a start into a sysadmin career.