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What is Jow Forums's opinion on APUs? Are they worth it or are they worthless?

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Why doesn't AMD make a high end APU? A 6/8 core would be nice.

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Good for budget builds and HTPCs, shit if youre getting a proper GPU anyway.

APU was a buzzword pushed HARD by AMD when they fucked up with bulldozer.

Intel had iGPU first.

They're pretty good. But realistically, if you're planning on anything other than using the igpu at any point just skip it altogether.

Yeah they worked so well that intel totally doesn't have AMD igpus now right?

Man, it must kill you that AMD has a better IGPU.

APU is a better name than iGPU. iGPU just sounds like the graphical component of an APU

I wouldn't know, I can afford Intel+Nvidia.

I mean, this looks pretty good to me. Granted this i7 chip came out in 2016, but I bought a 2200g yesterday for $70 brand new AND it has an ipgu that can run esports games....

The PC I'm building with includes the following specs and has only cost $275
>Versa H17
>Asrock B450 Pro4 M
>2200g
>500 GB SSD
>Corsair 450x
>8GB DDR4

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APU was also more accurate for what AMD was pushing for early on. All that heterogenous computing stuff was amazingly powerful. On paper.

Dude AMD is great if you literally don't have a job.

I remember being 17 and thinking Radeon was the shit.

It's OK, hades canyon sucks. You can say it.

>amazingly powerful. On paper.
Exactly.
It was marketing bullshit.

Shift those goal posts!

I don't even know what that is.

Wow a tripfag being butthurt and being a brand fag? How often does this happen...

>Doesn't know how to budget, or doesn't know that it applies at all levels
Typical tripfag

good for laptops
desktops only have it packed with the most garbage of cpus, so not worth it there

extremely limited use case in troubleshooting an amd motherboard without using the pci-e slots

Except it wasn't. Nvidia hired the lead AMD engineer to continue developing it for server applications. But you're forgiven for being arrogant, if only because you're ignorant.

It required an entire new programming paradigm. And the recompiler team that was working to automatically recompile code laid the groundwork for the Boltzman initiative that rendered CUDA nearly obsolete and vendor agnostic.

That isn't budgeting, its settling.

Of course you don't, because you just like talking shit with nothing substantial to say.

We don't even know user's use case for the PC he's building

I honestly have no idea about literally anything you are bringing up.

All I know is that latency is low with NVENC NVDEC and Intel quicsync while being total fucking garbage on AMD.

Lots of anecdotal evidence and my own experiences telling me time and time again that AMD is fucking garbage.

But hey if you wanna fall for the APU hype and feel like you are getting a bargain for your $70 dollars (lmfao) go for it.

OP again here, I basically just wanted a cheap ass backup PC to run Ubuntu/Win 10. I already have a Ryzen 7/RX580 Pc for my main computing needs so I don't really need another powerful machine.

And there it is, the admission of being a know nothing brainlet except for his twitch streaming.

Leverage AMD's good hardware decoding and encoding support in their APUs and you can have a cheap media server and NAS as well

I use that shit to play DOOM on ultra in WQHD on my laptop. Its for Steam in home streaming.

Even worse. I thought you at least understood computer science and technology to make some sort of bold claims like you were.

>Being a 1440p faggot as well
Wow

I understand enough to know that APU was marketing, unlike you.

Must suck going through life as some dipshit pajeet with zero intuition.

Why don't any motherboards have iGPUs anymore?

Must suck going through life jerking off to 240ms input latency on your violence porn. Make sure you tease your Boi Pucci to get those donations up on twitch.

Because they were expensive and outdated really fast by the time they got to market.

Dude you are literally overflowing with pajeet grammar and nigger tier intuition.

Genetically capped at preferring AMD I guess.

of course you're worth it, never listen to their criticism little guy

>first
How is that relevant to the current year?

Oh look, the board's most clueless and obnoxious tripfag shitting up another thread. I hate browsing without my filters.

Oh look, another tripfag obsessed queer that felt the need to blog about how I triggered him.

You are fucking pathetic.

>Boltzman initiative that rendered CUDA nearly obsolete and vendor agnostic
So if not for AMD, there would be games specifically programmed for CUDA today?

Development of CUDA based solutions for mathematical modelling problems in research have basically tanked. They're still definitely there, but the rate has reduced massively over the past few years.

lol

God you are unimaginative. You could spin that same statement and say that CUDA is so prolific that people don't need to develop tools because they already exist.

>Intel had iGPU first.
AMD had 5GHz first too, but that CPU is pure garbage. You don't have a point.

Even though that tripfag is trolling, APU is really a marketing term technically. Intel non F CPUs are not APUs.

based friendposter

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Which just outed you as either a retard or still trolling.
2/10

great if you don't game.

Great if you game and can't afford to game.

Not great for anything else ever.

super budget alternative.

Good on AMD for that desu
fuck vendor lock-in

this is all i want
i couldnt give a shit about graphics cards

They aren't worthless, I have an overclocked 2400g without a descrete graphics card and runs everything great. Games hit 60 fps and more and Web browsing is nice.

Integrated graphics done right
You can now actually make a slightly productive/entry level gaming cheap and low power micro-itx computer

Because APUs are niche product for poorfags. If you want a 6/8 core and iGPU that "just works", get Intel.

If they made midrange 8 core Zen 2 based apu on 7nm with 4gb hbm2 32cu for gamers and high end 16 core 8gb/16gb 64-128cu hbm2 one for mid-highend

I have a 2200g. its actually pretty damn impressive for the cost. if you dont play modern AAA bloated games its sufficient for most stuff

Or for a bit more if you want to go full mini-stx tier meme.

Do you do any encoding or rendering?

Wait, so you agree it's the better product but you boast by saying you buy the shittier one because money?

>That tripfag who'se butthurt at AMD
Classic.

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You do realize APUs are older than Bulldozer? You could buy an AMD APU before Bulldozer was even on the market.

>Are they worth it or are they worthless?
This depends entirely what you're doing
They are pretty much standard for shitboxes without dedicated GPUs, great for the low end consumer market

Bahahahaha

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no, I don't.

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That price though

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So? Intel made Vega 8 tier iGPUs back in 2015. It doesn't makes them any more useful.
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2400G/2200G is still worthless for any kind of gaming (unless you're ok with 30fps on minimal settings or 10 years old games).
6/8 cores would be useless in applications like that.
6/8 core Intel would work just fine for productivity stuff where you don't need a discrete GPU.
Ideally AMD should just add some kind of crap Vega 3 into all of their processor lineup and leave more powerful Vega 8/11 as it is (niche bottom of the barrel gaming combo), but I can kind of understand why it would never happen.

Because the market for PCs that need more coars APU but don't get dedicated graphics card isn't that big, for AMD to dedicate significant portion of their RnD budget.
If their chiplet strategy succeeds we might see more variations in APU space. But until then we don't have much

I was so hyped for r5 tier APUs, but I'm seeing the hype wear down as I'm waiting for the zen2 series and pcie4.0 motherboards.

>smoll power consumption
>mitx
>750ti and maybe 1650 in a year for supporting heavy stuff like blender
>happy frog name

Suddenly, it turns out it's not so good for even the light gaming I do, android/photshop/linux/virtual machines compatibility is trash.

I really looked forward to upgrade i5 2400

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>2400G/2200G is still worthless for any kind of gaming (unless you're ok with 30fps on minimal settings or 10 years old games).
That's an exaggeration.
I do agree that having a discrete GPU is way better if you're playing videogames a lot.
But as an owner of 2200G I can say it runs a lot of not that old games on an acceptable level beyond minimal settings. I usually got stable 40 to 60 fps depending on the game. And it almost never got below 30.

Is it ideal for gaming? No. Especially if you want to play latest graphics-heavy AAA titles.
Are games playable? Yes. Games of past years and most modern online games/mmos are playable enough without needing to make them ugly by setting everything to low.

Why haven't you died in a woodchipper-related "accident" yet, you worthless tripfag? Literally everything you say is either wrong because you're an idiot, or a direct, malicious lie.

I've been playing vidya on a goddam A8-9600 with 1 (one) stick of 2400Mhz RAM on the cheapest asrock ab350m mobo for the last year and a half
it actually works surprisingly well if you set your sights on playing at 720p/900p game resolution with low to medium details scaled up to fit on a 1080p screen
I'm continually fucking amazed at what will manage to run on it but temper your expectations massively as some games even old ones will only be playable in the sense that 35 fps average with drops to 10 fps 0.1% of the time is playable

if you can't stand stutter or slightly blurry upscaled shit then don't even consider one just buy a cpu & dedicated gpu
I'm personally gonna try and turn this hunk of junk into a freeNAS box when gpu/ram prices stop being so bonkers (see:late 2019-early 2020 when #1 amd releases new shit/gtx 16 series gets price cuts and #2 the chink law drops the hammer on DRAM cartel cunts)

APUs will always be worthless for anything but basic desktop use and playing 15yo games because they're memory bandwidth starved.