Finally, FINALLY, someone calls out pg's idiotic platitudes instead of licking his taint for seed money

The intent of the pg tweet is to inspire or motivate people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, not to deliver a hard truth.
The prince tweet is standard twitter virtue signaling.

merely pretending

pull yourself up by bootstraps was a cruel joke from the mid 19th century mocking the poor

To inspire or motivate at the cost of omitting a negligent amount of information shouldnt be allowed

right, a tweet from a self-absorbed jackass is going to inspire them better than their own miserable quality of life

That's the lie called the american dream and last time I checked a considerable number of amerimutts still believe that shit.

Second post literally admits that he is a rich guy. Maybe also virtue signaling, but it has to be some second level thinking, because at face value it's at his own expense.

>just trolling

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>The intent of the pg tweet is to inspire or motivate people from lower socioeconomic background
You mean lie to them and have them even more disappointed than if they'd accepted their position from the beginning and adjusted expectations accordingly :^)?
Would you tell someone who was paralyzed after being thrown off a horse to walk it off and get back up on the horse?
If you had a kid who cried every time you tried to feed it anything other than icecream would you give it icecream because that's "the nice thing to do"?

The first Tweet is the same as that Elon Musk one where he's basically saying "don't go to college -- I'm a drop out and look how far I made it," conveniently ignoring the fact that he went to private schools and then dropped out of the SA equivalent of Harvard... oh and yeah the fact that his dad owns literal diamond mines

Oh God it's nice to see someone dabbing on Paul Graham

Literally go talk to any "Middle Class" blue-collar worker. A lot of white-collar workers, too. One of my friends is an electrical contractor, and talked about this constantly, until someone pointed out that the only reason he was able to get work for the first 2-3 years he operated, was because HIS dad owned a business constructing houses for a local credit union's subdivision developer, and he gave him most of the work installing wiring in the homes, and taking care of home warranty claims for the people who had moved into the ones they had built.

The start of every business thats opened within the last few decades, is monetary wealth, a well-off or well-connected family, or a political connection. George Watson isn't going from making 30k a year as a supervisor in a call center, to owning his dream business selling windows without some sort of outside influence that he's personally connected to via circumstances of his birth, letting him. Even my friend who does IT contracts now for businesses, went from CPA to business owner because the CPA firm he was at did work for some people at the local Country Club, who needed a computer guy to do stuff for them, and introduced him to more and more folks that way. He didn't do shit to pick himself up. He got picked up by the rich and well connected to do what they didn't/couldn't, for them.

damn bro i got super bamboozled
shadilay to the master trolls

This. I am not against motivating people, but stay realistic. Startups fail all the time anyway, if you can go to college do that, if you can learn a trade that might be the best way for you.

Posts like his can turn people who could have lead a completelly good middle class life into total failures.

And also if you are poor but a one in a million genius I don't think you need Twitter posts, you will find a way.

Fuck... too real.

try being born in Brazil or India

That is not completelly true. There are some anomylies and you can work from that I think.

For example I was a succesful online poker player, some other people made money with crypto. Sure, most people waste that money on bling, but if you really want you can do it.
But even then I don't agree with the Twitter post, because the way that I propose is kind of shady, only a few people can do it, it's not glamorous and compared to companies like Google it's simply nothing. But you can go from nothing to a little bit and you can use that money to start a small company.

Yes, then you are most likelly fucked. You are right I was thinking more about US or western Europe.

Dude, you're just ignoring everybody who lost whatever money they had on crypto. There wasn't any intelligence involved there, it's simply timing on a random walk.

...and fucking poker?

No one did it on their own. I love all these uplifting stories about people bootstrapping themselves that conveniently leave out the friend or relative that invested a significant amount of money. Every fucking one of them.

Poker and Crypto is literally gambling you absolute imbecile.

This. It's all about luck. As in lucky enough to know someone, or meet someone, or be born to someone with a lot of fucking money so you can even think about taking the chance of potentially starting your own business.

>these people who are related to eachother by some bonds and community and have acquired wealth over time and generations want to maintain that wealth and help their prosperity by investing that wealth in them
Damn what the fuck, what kind of inhuman bastard does that. The government should kill these people and give that money to shaniqua.

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You fall short when considering how this centralisation is limiting others' access to resources.

t. commie

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In poker luck is king in the short run, skill is king in the long run.
I was never one of the very best but anyone who played during the boom knows that back then just waiting for strong hands like Ak, KK and AA printed money. I feel sorry for all the noobs who lost money to me, but I played against some pretty rich gamblers who were millionaires, it won't hurt them too much.
There was intelligence involved. First of all you didn't have to invest in crypto, many services were in demand. Many ICOs made a shitton of money with very little initial investment from the developers. Who paid for this? Braindead whale investors. I never said it was the most moral thing to do, but I would rather have that money than let some oligarch or Chinese businessman have it.
Then it was also clear to me at least when the real hype began, a ton of people in my uni made money with btc you just have to let go of it and not be blinded by greed.

There were other bubbles like early iPhone, or early Android.

This is not a sustainable business model, but if you need money as a programmer, who in the long run wants to create something useful, you can take advantage of things like that.

Again, as I said, it's not something everyone can or should do, but it's definitelly not pure random. And it's not something I will post on Twitter as a motivational speech, but it can be done by some.

There are always going to be outliers. People running into a lot of liquid assets very quickly. Lottery Winners, Gamblers, inheritance recipients, "Gold Rushers", but these aren't "picking yourself up by your bootstraps". These are gaining a fortune through others or luck. Nobody who says "Pick yourself up by your boostraps!" is meaning "Go and wait for another random investment bubble to appear that you can pour a few hundred dollars into!" or "Pick up a good feel for casino blackjack!" They mean: "With hardwork and dedication, you can achieve your goals and dreams!" which is simply untrue for most

>But you can go from nothing to a little bit and you can use that money to start a small company
And your business flounders, 95% of the time, without MORE money, connections, or other circumstances. I work with an office equipment company. I get to see all these small business setup shop, last a few months, then die, and the "owner" gets to go back to whatever job they did before. Want to know why all your gas stations are Arab? Because the Arab community, in local mosques, band together to hire within themselves, and build each other. Same happens for Asians with Laundries, Nail Salons, and Beauty Stores. Sandra didn't buy that strip-mall location, buy a bunch of supplies, and hire a bunch of nail techs just to fail her father who owns that Strip-Mall. No. She goes to church every weekend to talk about her business, and goes to every dinner she gets invited to to do the same, her nail techs tell all their friends to come get their nails done, and her mom talks to all the other moms at Pai Gao about it too. Through this community, connections are made based on race and class, that result in a successful business. Whites do this too, with their Dad's Golf Buddies, Uncle's car dealership, and some saved up cash from delivering pizza, suddenly they own a corner-lot detailing shop and pay some minorities minimum wage to wash all the Dad's Golf Buddies' Beemers

Hey I won spot the amerimutt

Who the fuck owes you those resources.
You think all these well off people and even bigger polities like countries started off wealthy? No nigger, they or their ancestors sucked dick for it too, in many ways, but didn't spend the rewards like short sighted niggers and instead reinvested in themselves and their communities so they would never have to suck dick again, but get their dick sucked instead.

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Goodwill of society; seems you have none

That's the point: Prince himself is rich, privileged, and will never be affected by the issues he's evangelizing for. He has no skin in the game, yet in this tweet positions himself as the hero swooping in to illuminate the hardships of the lower class. Prince's exact words can be found in just about any news article on economic opportunity, and may as well have been written by a PR firm. He's just taking a cheap shot at pg (who at least works in the area he's talking about) for PC points.

this is not even factual correct

I grew up. Goodwill exists for those you know and care about and who are your community. Not for every meatbag to walk on this earth.
What kind of dream did you have, messiah?

america basically runs solely on bootstraps and religion. If people ever figured out they were getting fucked and voting against their interests, america would collapse within a week.

literally /thread

People are waking up. Someday the dream will end.

>acquired wealth over time
using public infrastructure and exploiting laborers
>give that money to shaniqua
Right now the rest of us are giving money to Shaniqua in the form of food stamps because Mr. Billionaire doesn't pay her a living wage.

See I am not saying the current situation is perfect or even good.
I live in Europe so here it's a bit different than the US. I always had the opportunity to go to university simply because I was smart. A master in CS here is really a guaranteed job. But I know that it not always the case in other countries and even if you have a job as a programmer, you will just live normally, you will not be rich.

The thing is I mostly agree with you, it's BS, that's why I tell you guys to bend the rules. But it will only work if you are truly good at what you do.

People tell me that I am an idiot for promoting poker, but poker is literally 100% skill. Even though I had enough money to play higher, I started playing for cents, I had a fixed bankroll and a well estimated risk of ruin. I never disregarded my bankroll management. And once I was very sure I was able to beat the population on my limit I moved up.
Yes, I only won because others lost, that's why I'm saying there is no shame in not doing this and just getting a normal job, but some people here are truly intelligent so look for such opportunities.

I didn't even have to invest that money, all my investment was in a few months of rent and in that time I created a software that made me more money.

My post is really meant to be the opposite of a motivational post. I know some people who fly around, burn money, talk abhout fancy terms like series A, while I made money with poker that I invested into paying rent and selling C++ software. I never had investors, hell my monitors are 12 years old and not even full HD.

>world's largest economy runs soley on bootstraps and religion.

scary isn't it? makes you think what china runs on.

>because Mr. Billionaire doesn't pay her a living wage.

not so sure about that. I think it's more related to how price intolerant people are that it's basically a race to the bottom for people with low value skill. Literally no one cares to pay shaniqua because somehow she manages to exist on min wage and that's the way people like it. This idea that some CEO or some board somehow demands people not be paid living wages is a joke.

If all evangelicals suddenly vanished it would solve a lot of problems.

>People tell me that I am an idiot for promoting poker, but poker is literally 100% skill.

lmao'd my ass off. you still need a margin of luck to at least throw you a fucking bone every so many hands or you're just folding or walking away all day.

Yes being exploited is life. Get fucking used to it or suck enough at the right time and place and try to break through, then making sure not to crash and burn because you're the same as shaniqua.
Or try and kill your way to have what you want - but that won't happen since you'll be dead first.

nice pat on the back. you losers feel better now?

no thanks im going to learn 2 code

gutter oil

only thing that would do is allow you to get chick fil a on sunday

You misunderstand what it means to play online poker professionally. I used to ply 60,000 to 90,000 hands a month, yes I had pretty bad days but over the course of a year if you are truly better it's almost impossible to lose.

Wonderful.

>if you are truly better

so all those other players who aren't better just lose their wealth over time and never get back up?
it's almost as if it's gambling and the money one gains is from other people instead of everyone earning money, like in a job that produces

>This idea that some CEO or some board somehow demands people not be paid living wages is a joke.
That's not the impression I get any time someone mentions increasing the minimum wage and every owner/executive/board member immediately starts crying about how it'll destroy their business

Hants poker turned into a pussy sport where you cant even shittalk people or manipulate them to fold/call/raise because that would be putting them under pressure and influence?

if gambling was a solution to poverty then casinos wouldn't be in business

Poker is positive sum because the players who lose money receive entertainment that is worth more to them than what they're paying.

How does that boot taste?

It's a concern because it means higher cost to consumers who may be more price sensitive depending on the necessity of your service. In practice, doom saying about minimum wages is wrong, but mainly because there is always some way to lower costs.

Absolutelly true. I did it because I was poor as fuck and I hope I have the talent to produce something useful at some point. I thought it was better to stay at home after uni and do that, than work at a supermarket.

the Chinese have seen their lives improve dramatically within just a few generations. In 100 years they went from being a backwater stepped on by all of the colonial powers to a second great power.

Nah, that's not what a boot taste like, right now you're tasting a velvet slipper. You'll get a taste of the boot soon enough though.

The whole global economic system is broken.
Everything revolves around making more things cheaper, cutting costs, ramping up production and forcing obsolescence. It's a race to the bottom fighting for marginal scraps while wasting resources and destroying society.

Gambling is not the solution to poverty. What I am saying is, that if you are one of the rare anons here who are truly talented, things like that can potantially build you a little bit of capital.

There is also a huge difference between poker and something like roulette or blackjack. Poker doesn't make casinos a ton of money, it does some of course, and you don't play against the casino. You play against other players and the casino only takes fees.
Online poker is dead anyway, my point is more that if you are poor you should look for things that are not that accepted but can make money.
I think you can still do that. But I was always a pussy so I didn't play much live and I disabled the chat online.

bureau of labor statistics

Exactly is short term profits above all consequences be damned. Every other opinion is nothing but boot licking.

Surprisingly this is a pretty good thread with some well thought out posts.
My gut instinct is to agree with PG, but I must admit that I was afforded a comfortable life with an upper middle class family and very well educated parents. What I get hung up on is the idea that poorer people are not faced with the same opportunities as more financially well off.
From my point of view, public education is free and everyone is able to go, and then you can take out loans to attend university. After that, supposing you've done well, you can get hired at a job and naturally work your way up. Yes the process can be made easier and sped up through connections, but speaking from personal experience, at no point in my life did I get anything I wasn't qualified for. My father is an engineer and I'm going into finance, so none of his contacts proved to be useful.

I went to a decent but relatively cheap state school, and was able to land a job at a big investment bank without any connections or referrals. Explain to me, then, how someone else who may not have had as much money growing up as I did, but still attended the same public school and university as me, doesn't have the same opportunities?

>try being born in Brazil
Literally happens all the time. I have a bunch of friends that came from poor families and are relatively wealthy now.

>identify potential clients
>sell your services to them
>word of mouth gets you more clients
>somehow this is corrupt nepotism
A lot of newer Americans believe that shit too, which is why they came here at considerable risk to themselves, and somehow they've managed to make it work by busting ass at shit jobs nobody else wanted, then working their way up over the course of a generation or two.

ah you play online. i only played live and enjoyed the actual fucking with people rather than even the money

Duh?

You're competing on a global scale against near completely sovereign entities who do what they can to make it better for their people even if it means screwing them over.

Of course its going to be a race to the bottom without some global leadership that enforces rules and standards for everyone to compete in.

>and somehow they've managed to make it work by busting ass at shit jobs nobody else wanted, then working their way up over the course of a generation or two.
Sure if we're talking about the 30s 40s 50s and 60s. But if we are talking about $currentYear US? No chance in hell.

By fucking over entire nations but go on

We're not.

That's globalism.

If you truly believe that all you have achieved was simply due to privilege, you would have to be the most evil person in the world to know that and not give it up
Really makes you think

yeah, thanks to all the suicide nets

Plenty of immigrants do it, but it tends to be only south and east Asians that are successful.

that's why you put on the blinders and enter the boomer state of mind.

>If you are talking about Chinese or Indians opening businesses, those are usually funded by their extended family's life savings. They pool everything with goal of it being a way to eventually immigrate everyone. It's different that a single person making it on their own.

Yeah no shit that's exactly my fucking point. Globalism killed the "american dream" decades ago.

What's your point?
Should I feel bad now? Should give free shit to those poor nations now? Fuck off with you self deprecating weakness shit, everyone fucks everyone over the moment they get the chance of they are not someone related to them, be it people or nations. My country was mongol colony for around 300 years, no one cries about it. Tough shit.

3rd worlder here. Around $800/mo in management level.
Can I come over?

If you are truly talented, then there are far more lucrative options than online poker. Just look at what talented athletes or artists make.

yeah but you're the type of cucks who have heart attacks at nationalism when that's the only force that stood in the way of globalism

I'm talking about the people who've been streaming over our southern border for decades now.

inter generational wealth transfer is the only reason useless fucks like you survive. You shouldn't have to depend on family for shit. for instance.. What if your family are all retarded niggers like you? then wut do

actually there's a cascade of retards who don't believe it and soon America will lose it's empire and those people will be as poor as Somalians, but it's OK because at least they were logical and educated.

then you learn 2 code

Psychopaths are unable to feel remorse

Yes, sever all family bonds, make the state your family, yessss

Kek you have no clue about my situation you sheltered bitch. Inter generational wealth transfer is what intelligent people and normal families and communities do to prosper.
Niggers go out and shit everything away every chance they get because low impulse control, and those slightly above niggers do it because some memes tell them to since it's the "adult" thing to do lmao.
As for what to do, i guess you either kys or try to leech more off of people by shouting louder.

Sure thing, shoo go back to your containment board your great nationalism did fuck all to prevent globalism.
On top of that nationalism is an outdated meme that will be forgotten by time soon enough.
Your great 1960s nationalism only worked because the US at the time was the only major economy that didn't got incinerated in WW2. You promised billions of people the 1960s lifestyle and are now blaming cucks or whatever the current spook of the day is when those people show up demanding their share of the cake.

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unironically this
i just need a government issued gf