Wanted to get Jow Forums's opinion on YouTube's new hate-speech inclusion policy

I'll be impartial and withhold my own opinion.

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/06/youtube-bans-neo-nazi-and-holocaust-denial-videos-in-push-against-hate-speech/

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The truth fears no investigation.

fuck niggers!

I can understand banning hate speech (not that I agree with it) but why ban holocaust denial? Unless there's something you don't want people to know...

YouTube is a corporation, they can choose what to display on their platform, thing is, people might not find that so amusing.

Also who defines hate-speech, what is hate-speech in other parts of the world?

It can ban whoever it wants, that's part of free speech and freedom of association.

I'm sure Jow Forumsfriends wouldn't like their computing resources used to host BLACKED and tranny porn, so why should other people be forced to bear the economic externalities for hosting Nazi content free of charge that is a net negative to their advertising business?

Nazis can go start their own video sharing sites.. Of course, when they do, they end up censoring people for other reasons. Hypocrisy is a bitch.

I'd say it's retarded because when you do more than the law suggests you open yourself to criticism and failure on the long run, there's just too many dumb shit to ban. that said I also don't use youtube so I don't give a shit

Don't care, YouTube is a corporate platform. They can host what they want, ban what they want, and users are free to stay there or go elsewhere. Most of their stuff is pretty bland already IMO.

Ideally the site would collapse and be viewed as a historical relic like MySpace, and people would host their own content on their own sites.

>First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
>Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

YouTube is a platform, not a publisher. They also utilize government resources and collect subsidies from the government

>using an anti-Nazi quote to defend Nazis
it also isn't the government doing shit against these individuals... just a company refusing to do business with them. Not the same.

You'll excuse me if I had hard time of sympathizing with a group that wants "exterminate leftists and nonwhites" (by Jow Forums's own admission, you can go on archive and find thousands of posts like this) and killed my own people for racial hatred reasons. (I am Russian)

They're not killing anybody they're just not hosting their content for them.

>YouTube is a corporate platform
They are a corporate publisher if they want to pull this shit and guess what happens when they become a publisher shit for brains.

What happens?

they are going to get fucked over big time with lawsuits

Yes, because everybody knows publishers are obligated to publish things they disagree with politically.

That's why CNN, MSNBC and FOX are all very unbiased sources of news.

one is liable for the shit that is posted the other is not. Do you understand. Once they make it clear they are publishers which they are they are going to get sued to death.

this is probably going to be a good thing long term for mainstream right wingers 2bh. it allows them to separate themselves from the fringe extreme conspiratards like alex jones. guys like crowder who dodged it with an already huge following are only going to gain credibility

Pretty based. Whatever make incels seethe.

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They've had rules on their content for years. Couldn't do porn (thus pornhub, youporn, etc), extreme violence (thus liveleak), and probably some other shit I can't be bothered to investigate. I doubt anything will happen to them legally for adding another category to this list.

If they get separated from Google via antitrust investigation I'd be cool with that. If people got tired of the site and started hosting their own stuff on their own or in smaller communities I think that would be even better. All centralized content is either a garbage heap or sterilized.

The whole "they're a corporation they can do what they want" should not be used to justify unethical actions. That said...

Yes, one of the important facets of the "old" Internet was basically "the ops/admins/mods have dominion and set the rules", which in many situations is understandable. However, YouTube is a little different for several reasons. First, the Internet has become increasingly controlled by corporate money with their proprietary walled gardens; there's some graphic from a few years ago about the distribution of ownership of the top 50 or 500 site ranks from the 90s until the 2010s, illustrating the change of control. YouTube is owned by Google who is one of those massive companies, along with the likes of Facebook, Amazon and few others that have just massive control over online communication. Most of these companies come to such a place not just by being the best, but by ensuring competitors have a difficult road legally and financially, while they can afford to "give away" comprehensive services and keep others from seriously competing, among other things. Furthermore, these companies have more or less usurped the public square online so to speak due to how prevalent the services are.

Between those aspects (and quite a few others) YouTube is not just another site - they'rre the video wing of one of the biggest mega-tech-corps in the world and have a massive network effect. Thus, I think they can be treated differently, given how much of the world's user-generated video/media they contain/control. Thus, i think they should be very, very careful not to exclude opinions through demonetization or any other way. However, even putting that aside there's another key element.

>why ban holocaust denial?
yeah this is bullshit! there's plenty of moon landing, flat earth, and bigfoot videos that are still up, yet they ban holocaust denial?!?

>I'm sure Jow Forumsfriends wouldn't like their computing resources used to host BLACKED and tranny porn
Jow Forums here, I actually wouldn't mind this at all. I would opt into this if they gave me a free premium account.

Then why not go to pornhub. They've offered multiple times to host everyone banned from youtube. Some gun channel moved there.

>You'll excuse me if I had hard time of sympathizing with a group that wants "exterminate leftists and nonwhites" (by Jow Forums's own admission, you can go on archive and find thousands of posts like this) and killed my own people for racial hatred reasons.

Lets not pretend this isnt reactionary to diversity groups claiming they openly want to eradicate whites.

And secondly the chans are loaded with hyperbole. Most people talk that kinda shit for the lulz when probably less than 10% of Jow Forumss viewerbase is genuinely stormfront.

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>move from one yid to another worse yid
or, just kill em all

Clearly you're more angry at jews than interested in free speech

>check social media
>righties i follow are mad because they're getting censored
>lefties i follow are mad because they only did it to put out the fire under their ass
It amazes me that nobody has made a viable YouTube alternative when literally everyone hates them

This. Internet warriors make other conservatives look like they're schizophrenics too.

No, no YouTube alternative. The web is the alternative. Host your own content

Tech companies literally can't win. People are fucking tribalistic apes.

>It amazes me that nobody has made a viable YouTube alternative
that is because nobody can monetize it. not even Google can find a way to make money off of YouTube. it's basically a charity.

THere are other alternatives. Most of them are are just another proprietary host, but what we should get behind is PeerTube.

Like all alternative services/social networks, it takes time for people to swap from the established thing and there's massive inertia, but they're growing.

I dunno, I think youtube is viable as part of Google ecosystem but would have hard time making profit on its own without being tied into search. Maybe it's a loss-leader kind of thing.

I saw this coming back around 2013 - 2014 when they started shadowbanning people for "inappropriate" comments.

Abandon ship and let YT die out.

As long as they are a private corporation they have the right to choose their customers, anything else is socialism

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>NOOOOO THEY CAN'T BAN ME USING GOOGLE SERVERS FOR FREE IS A HUMAN RIGHT

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PeerTube is the only one I like because it is actually distributed. I'm OK with that.