So YouTube can claim it's just a "common carrier" for purposes of DMCA/copyright laws...

So YouTube can claim it's just a "common carrier" for purposes of DMCA/copyright laws, but also exercises editorial control over banning legal, if repugnant, content from its platform.

Why does it get to have it both ways?

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Why are you Nazi scum always whining instead of doing something like creating you're own platform?

Because it's a private company that has to appeal to advertisers.

>repugnant
>I'm a nazi
Go to bed, Susan.

yeh, create you are own program, like user said.

So don't advertise on those videos. But if you want to call yourself a common carrier, you shouldn't be making editorial decisions about which content to be a common carrier of, unless it violates laws of the jurisdiction you operate under.

Why do you assume that multinational companies with billions of dollars are beheld to the same uninational laws that apply to you? Why should they be, when they're objectively worth more than you by literally every meaningful metric?

Reminder that Youtube doesn't bring a single buck in profits...

So did you not know Google owns Youtube, or did you think that running a single non-profit service empties your coffers and makes your net worth 0? Either way I'm embarrassed for you.

The only embarrassing thing is actually having confidence in a company that produces nothing and lives off the advertisement cancer

It's a private company they can do what they want. Maybe you should take the hint and realize they don't want your content. Shit like this is just people complaining they don't get free money anymore. Now you gotta hunt for ads and sponsors yourself instead of getting spoofed b google. Tough shit

And yet it's a stable, powerful company with plenty of investors while you're here proving yourself to be an idiot trying to cope with failure.

>youtube banning porn
cricket sounds
>youtube banning trashy nazi propaganda
OMG MUH FREEZE PEACH, IS DIS EVEN LEEGAL

Because Zion Don and the party of Israel won't do anything about it.

the problem is Youtube has too much control over the market. No one will post on a youtube alternative made by Jow Forums of all people.

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(2) Civil liabilityNo provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—
(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or
(B) any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).[1]

he's going to win a second term and DOJ is anti-trusting (((google))) as we speak

cope

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Google should be subject to anti-trust, no problem with that. Youtube shouldn't be legally prevented from banning trolls.

>Youtube shouldn't be legally prevented from violating freedom of speech
Why not? Need your pedo safe space?

>in good faith
why are american laws so vague, is it intentional, so they can juat pick and choose when they want to enforce it?

It's not violating anything. They can do what they want on their site, I can do what I want on my site, gookmoot can do what he wants on his site.

It's not a violation of free speech to ban porn from Jow Forums, for instance, because this is a board for technology discussion and you can still view porn elsewhere if that's your preference.

porn is counted as public obscenity. you are not allowed to publicly display porn in the street in America.

Learn the law.

the sooner they ban the child sex ring they call YouTube, the better.

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I know the law, and Youtube legally allowed to ban whatever content it wants from its site.

If I started a thread about football on Jow Forums, it would also be deleted for being offtopic. This is not a violation of free speech because I could talk about football elsewhere if that were my preference.

Youtube is a free-for-all. Anyone can post anything as long as it doesn't violate the law.

This is how it will be when Youtube and google are nationalized. It's how it was when Youtube started and was much greater than its current politicized incarnation.

Youtube isn't a free-for-all, they ban all sorts of shit. It doesn't violate the law to post porn online. It doesn't violate the law to post violent content online. Yet they were still banned from youtube. If you want youtube to be nationalized you're advocating for some serious government control of speech. Rather than allowing sites the leniency to choose their own content, you're allowing the government to define what content is allowed. That will have repercussions all the way down to Jow Forums.

>Just respect the first amendment
>"YOURE ADVOCATING FOR GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF SPEECH!!!"
lol loser

when will all social media be public property?

Well yeah no one's gonna use another platform that is shit in every possible way that is remotely relevant and is seen by people as a nazi website.

The First Amendment applies to YouTube as well. They don't want to host your shit.

>censorship is protected by the first amendment
nationalization is coming and with it the death of the American left
start packing your bags

>wants to nationalize a website because it doesn't want to put their shit on it
>calls others the left wing
lol

see and youtube is one of the most heavily trafficked sites, together with netflix.
unlike netflix, howver, which does have the right to publish or not whatever it pleases, youtube is a user-genreated-content "platform"
other user generated video sites exist, but their extremely small userbase and content (NOT THE FUCKING SOFTWARE) make these sites qualitatively as well as quantitatively different.
you can think of these differences as the differences between a newspaper (no obligation to publish), a telephone company (which does not have the right to censor), and walkie talkies

the fact that alternatives to telephones exist does not mean that telephone companies have a legal right to scan your calls with voice recognition software and block service if you say things they dont approve of.

ethically, most people and businesses refuse to do something so craven as naked political censorship. they self regulate.
but even if they dont self regulate, imposing regulations seems wrong.
ideally, then, instead of legislating ethical behavior, we could define the market power of youtube as innately harmul to free market competition, and immediately break it up.

the tragedy is, a new oligopoly would pop up immediately. it is a latent desire, it seems, that the masses of people would rather be ruled over than be free.

Why, so you can contact the payment processors to shut me down, you double nigger? Send death threats to my family until they beg me to stop? Falsely report me to the power companies to cancel my service?

YouTube should be fucking shut down, they even deleted the video of my boyfriend fucking me on street in front of Ariana Grande's penthouse

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cope commie

seething sheltered whitey ;)

lmao still stanning Trump in The Year of Our Lord 2019. Give it up, he's been a complete fucking disaster and right now is throwing aspie baby shitfits about JOE BIDEN beating him by 4% in fucking TEXAS.

He destroyed the GOP just like he destroyed every business he ever touched. His wife won't even hold his hand. He turned out to be King of the Cucks.

>Falsely report me to the power companies
"Yes, hello? I'd like to report a POOOOWERRRR UUUUUSERRRRR!!!!"

>writing any of this and earnestly believing it
cant be real

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"Hello power company? Yeah I want to report some faggots running a server farm in his mom's basement. Yeah he's a POOOOOWAAAAH UUUUUSSAAAAAH! Yeah I'll hold."

lol

>He destroyed the GOP
So he's actually a hero?

You know what I mean, fagaloon. Calling the power company insisting to be a person, and insisting that power be cutoff from a certain address. Care to address the other two points?

A website is a website. They can be a platform for whatever type of content they want. Youtube have removed specific types of content from the very beginning that other sites allowed.

ISPs are equivalent to the phone companies (and they are the phone companies). ISPs should maintain neutrality because they are the actual gateway to the internet.

Still no wall, Hillary still a free citizen.
:^)

Because Google has enough money and power to buy laws

If you genuinely fear to get death threats for your opinions then I think there might be something wrong with your opinion, or it's just the entire rest of the world that is wrong.
If you want a more serious answer though if you can't setup a website without people instantly knowing your address name and SSN you should probably stop using the internet cause that is literally the easiest thing there is.

>wall isnt being built g-guys haha ha
>hillary isnt g-getting locked up the DOJ isnt investigating her or comey or anyone h-haha

Oh wow, you're a Q user paste-eater. Now I feel bad for picking on a retard :(

wtf im a john oliver fan now

The issue with porn is, even if it’s allowed under the law, is that once you explicitly allow it you are no longer categorized as anything other than an “adult” site and often no other advertisers other than other adult websites want to touch you
This is why Jow Forums was split so 4channel could try to get traditional advertisers by not technically being an adult site with no nsfw boards
Reddit and a Twitter seem to get away with this but there again Reddit doesn’t have traditional advertisers and Twitter still bleeds money

I don't get why people would get so obsessed over a politician. With artists it makes some sense at least but why the fuck would anyone fangirl over some fat man and come up with another reality instead of just accepting that he wasn't the real deal in the end.

>you are no longer categorized as anything other than an “adult” site and often no other advertisers other than other adult websites want to touch you
Same problem with aut-right propaganda, only you generally become a no go zone for everyone somewhat normal.

Because the people that do this have literally nothing else in their life so they build their entire personality about someone or something to hide the fact that they achieved nothing in life that goes just as much for people basing their life around Trump as it goes for people doing the same shit with Kyle Jenner or whatever the bitch of the day is.

cant wait for the suicides when Trump takes away your safe space

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Sure thing the left in the US is done for as soon as that wall is build, Hillary is locked up and the rustbelt and the US as a whole isn't a dead shithole anymore in terms of industry.

Doesn't quite explain it. They can still fanboy over the IDEAS instead of a person who promised the shit but clearly doesn't deliver. At least it'd be somewhat internally consistent.

Like I said, not death threats to me, but family members. For example, stream.me closed due to people finding and harassing family members, sending them cum tributes, death threats, etc. Were they dumb enough to not use a VPN? Maybe. Do I think anybody can find you if they try hard enough? Absolutely.
In the age of ridiculous political correctness, when simply saying that there are 2 genders is enough to get you banned, fired from a job, and essentially de personed, from companies that are afraid of even a little pushback on Twitter, I think it is reasonable to have a little bit of online and real life privacy. Fuck me, right? I have never had any opinion more controversial than using the n word on a basket weaving forum, but I know that if this shit goes on I will undoubtedly be next.

>Hur dur just create your own website that costs billions of dollars to run, will be cut off by all payment processors, and then will compete against a site that has billions of users

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This was never a problem until a few years ago
So called alt-right/white nationalist/conservative content existed for years without a single peep from anyone
Then all of a sudden an election cycle didn’t turn out quite right and now it’s all of a sudden it’s a big touchy issue

>even nazis don't want to pay to watch videos about nazi ideas
Deep.

Never underestimate cult of personality which Trump is pretty good at too.
People like to have someone to associate with, same with Jow Forums and Stallman as our lord and saviour no matter how relevant he actually is to anything. It's just how people are, which is to say retarded.

how's that chinese GDP holding up chang? not so good hahaha

>This was never a problem until a few years ago
Actually it was, just not as extreme. Almost as if people discovered a new media form and then started to hijack the algorithms with their spam.

It goes far beyond though. Cult of personality makes sense too for the right target group but to compare it with Stallman, would be as if Richard started to shill for Microsoft while using Macbook Pro and people would still support him as the open sores saviour.

>In the age of ridiculous political correctness
>I can't scream NIGGERFAGGOT on the Internet and get ad bux so I am being oppressed and have no choice but to become an actual Nazi

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>sending them cum tributes
OwO

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demonitized folks will still bitch about censorship despite still being able to post their videos.
its simpler if they get a clean purge instead so they know who the fucks in charge and how fucking dependent they are on youtube the sad fucks.

I am far from politically correct I run various websites that could be described as controversial and so far no one has sent shit in a box to me or my relatives.
Of course if you piss people off enough, left or right wing extremist retards will try to track you down but if you are serious a fake company on some island nation is by far more than enough to stop anyone but the richest most dedicated insane retards running around from trying to find you.
And honestly I have yet to see someone get fired over tame shit like saying there are only two genders which I agree with. But then again I don't live in the US so maybe the US actually is some kind of nightmarish hellhole where saying the wrong thing will get the thought police send to your house and your workplace will liquidate you.

What the hell are you even referring to? Also national socialists no longer exist on this planet anymore in case you were unaware. It's extremely retarded to call 21st century Americans national socialists.

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>It's extremely retarded to call 21st century Americans national socialists.
Yeah I agree, even calling Americans human is really stretching it.

These social media platforms are picking our next presidents. The government will eventually do something about it. Just lay low for now, ignore the trannys in this thread.

i miss when big companies had the balls to show asswipes whos in charge. youtube is too much of a pussy to kick out aut right faggots who stood up to them. its so fucking sad.

Is it really worse to call someone a homosexual black person that calling someone a unfeeling genocidal maniac? Or did the Overton window shift so much in your favor that your able to justify it?

It's way worse with game devs who have tons of aut right faggots as their audience and hence try hard not to offend them.

Thank fuck for based Nike and Gilette.

No one discovered the algorithm, it was already well in use, it’s just no one fucking cared about what some heil hitler type had to say and they where all ignored
During and after the election is when people made the mistake of giving light to these people which gave them power
There was no rise of extremist content, only a rise in people making light of it which caused it to spread farther than it otherwise would have if it was just ignored in the first place

If the person supports an ideology that leads to oppression and genocide, calling a spade a spade is just given.

Youtube isn't as dumb as you, they know about the Streisand effect and how blatant political purges would likely backfire. Their stratedgy is to neuter the dissident right youtubers with pc rules and rig the algorithm to suppress their popularity.

alex jones got purged from youtube and nobody gives a flying fuck about him anymore.
milo got purged from twitter and hes old fucking news.
barely anyone is spamming varg these days since his channel got purged
aut right fucktards purged from social media will clean the internet.

just as nobody needs to use youtube, nobody needs to use the internet.
yet in both cases wide adoption and useage creates social and economic pressures that make it increasingly burdensome to use other means of communication, just as the popularity of cars made it more expensive and inconvenient to use horses (or trains).

keep in mind as well, that youtube operates at a loss year after year - an intentional decision made to kill off competition from sites that cant afford the sorts of servers and bandwidth alphabet corporation can.

starting from the carter administration, neo-* have argued that these anti-competitive practices should be tolerated, because it better served consumers.
shouldnt it pe obvious that at the point where the corporation serves the best interests of consumers, its anticompetitive practices should no longer be tolerated?

kinda funny how if pewds got purged theres a big chance tarrant wont exist. youtube is too fucking scared of some slackjawed squeaky voiced swede gamer faggot it hurts to look at.

>no one fucking cared about what some heil hitler type had to say and they where all ignored
Because it was just one guy you randomly stumble into someone else making fun off. Now you can't look for a movie review without getting some weirdo aut-right bitching.

Shit, basically same happened to 4chains. There was always that one guy overly obsessed by niggers and faggots but people generally used the terms as part of the lingo. Now it's rare to find a thread that isn't spammed to death by brainlets who got lost on their way to Jow Forums.

>During and after the election is when people made the mistake of giving light to these people which gave them power
That's another contributing factor obviously, but at this point just ignoring cancer won't help so it's time for chemo.

It's not about being scared, just like with aut-right brainlets it's always about money. The swedish fuck still earns them a lot while neckbeards who bitch about immigrants and wimin cost them in sponsors.

Infowars still exists, Varg still gets thousands of views on bitchute and targeting an entire class of people is different from targeting an individual. If jewtube wants to play their hand and show the world whites aren't allowed to have express different opinions on their platform I don't think it would be all bad.

youre right. how about if your and trumper butt buddies meme all the aut righters to delete their youtube channels and migrate elsewhere?
you dont need youtube, right?

Youtube is shit. Bitchute is cool but could be taken down any moment. Peertube is leftist toy. Many indirect censorship like blurring the title of graphic videos.
Since you guys are technophiles i propose a little boost to Zeronet.

>exercises editorial control over banning legal, if repugnant, content from its platform.

Deleting every single video talking about the proofs Israelis were involved in 9/11 ? It must have nothing to do with the fact the ADL has a privileged relationship with youtube right?

that kind of talk plants seeds of anti semitism in people. who the fuck owns google you dumbfuck nazi

Yeah that kind of talk goes against what I've been taught, we should probably censor him

you know im starting to think the real problem with jews is that theyre too much of a pussy to stand up to people who want them dead.

white supremacy is alive and well in 2019 all thanks to the social media that these jews own, its almost the same shit before WW2 where the halls that hitler made his election rallies and speeches were also jewish owned. what the fuck these fucking yellow bellied suicidal cowards.

My turn:
>omg he said niggerfaggot!
>that must mean he want to gas the Jews, censor media, invade Russia and kill...the French?

Would be the case on twitter or some shit. No one would confuse it as that around here without some extra context.

If you just demonetize the shitty videos, it's fine. They shouldn't be forced to advertise on them (or have other companies advertise on them), but if they want to pretend to be a common carrier for purposes of avoiding DMCA liability, they should act like one.

If they want to exercise editorial control, which is fine being a private company and all, they shouldn't be covered by the DMCA protections.

One or the other.

>One or the other.
Because you want it that way?

Because it's illogical and dishonest to claim common carrier status for purposes of DMCA while exercising editorial control to increase ad revenue.

Either they're a common carrier with no ability/desire to monitor what goes through their platform or they're not.

Everything else would be not feasible. They can't be a common carrier if they have no money to carry shit. They would lose all the money if they allowed aut-right shit. And losing the status for DMCA purposes would also kill the site. Reality isn't about binary choices.

I never said it was a binary choice. But when two statuses are conflicting, they need to choose on.

The feasible option is to demonetize content their advertisers don't want to advertise on, but keep all other legal contact on the site. Then they can keep their DMCA protection.

If they want to exercise control, they should lose the DMCA protection. At that point, they are a publisher and not a common carrier.

Youtube is also a content creator since they make movies.

They can't claim to be a platform anymore.

>but keep all other legal contact on the site
It'll prevent advertisers from using the entire thing unless the videos are unlisted and basically unavailable for normal users. Having ads on "that site that tolerates nazis" is worse for a business than having them on xHamster.

>At that point, they are a publisher and not a common carrier.
They do minimal curation that is basically on the level of deleting spam. It's not like they edit videos after they are uploaded. Providing a free to use platform is a far cry from publishing, whether the platform is a total mess like 4chains or attempts to be more focused like YT. Do you seriously think they would make the call without consulting with dozens of lawyers?

That's an extra brand.