Is electronic voting a meme? Is it safe?

they may not vote the democratic party but they will keep voting for socialist policies

>is voting a meme?
yes

Implying republicans don't also want hordes of immigrants for cheap labor

>trust all of your money, livelihood, to electronic banking
>oh but electronic voting goes too far
it's nonsense

not comparable at all

It's easier to get a bank account than it is to vote in freedomland

why

>How come our buses of illegal immigrants roaming from state to state didn't win us the election?!?!
No, it's retarded

no it isn't, i literally show up at the poll show them my id and check some boxes. how is that hard

>It's easier to get a bank account than it is to vote in freedomland
>show up with ID
>vote
Wow that was fucking hard wasn't it?
You faggots aren't even trying. You have to go back.

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Your bank account is not a secret, you and the bank can verify what is in it at all times.

It should be mandatory. Hand counting votes is fucking retarded. And you can vote in multiple counties.

A single database, with an electronic voter ID, cross referenced is the only acceptable practice.

retarded "progressive' trannies need not apply.

And yet neither is your vote, multiple counters on both sides of the political spectrum verify them.

Are you stupid?

>show up with ID
It's so easy to get an ID when you work 8 to 5 M-F and if you miss a days wages you don't have enough for rent

How did you get a job without an ID?
Any other irrational fringe cases you can think of?

>force poor and homeless to cough up ID
>conveniently close half the DMVs in your state right where the poor people live
>congrats you just disenfranchised millions of people without even trying

token/password based authentication is really secure, however it does marginalize minorities. As long as you still have voting booths that use said cards and had some sort of back up system just in case "oops forgot my card" situations happen, i wouldn't have an issue with it.

I still think voting should be done in person at a specific site, but something like this would expedite the process immensely.

Not technology

You really drank the koolaid hard.
Homeless people don't vote, but I'm sure fixing that fringe case is a lot easier than just not having a modern voting system.

>conveniently close half the DMVs in your state right where the poor people live
any source for that? My closest dmv (one of 5 in a city of 1 mil) is right in the heart of poor.

>however it does marginalize minorities.
[citation needed]

Is it because they are so inferior to you that they can't go get an ID (required for literally everything). Maybe give them a little more credit than that, bubble-dweller.

No, it isn't. And this literal reddit argument is void of any impact. Please kill yourself.
>its harder to get a bank account than to vote and you can trust the bank more than you can trust multiple parties that check each others work.
Are YOU dumb?
>implying poor and homeless should vote
>people
>implying poor and homeless are people
>unquantified claims about outlets that dont get used at all closing down, literally non issue
>implying homeless people are too busy to go to another DMV
You REALLY have to go back, retard.

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>however it does marginalize minorities
good

>shocked we dont maintain completely underused facilities and thinks it's an attack on homeless that don't drive in the first place.
Get a brain.

probably because they were able to vote in the comfort of their own homes, and they didn't have to worry about bigots threatening them to not vote democrat

>I'm too busy working to get ID

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Because there definitely is no laws against campaigning near polling stations that are strictly enforced, often over enforced and abused by Democrats themselves, proven on camera multiple times this election.
Go back to fucking interpals or Beddit, wherever you're from, faggot.

What methods are you referring to?

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/crypto-failure-cripples-millions-of-high-security-keys-750k-estonian-ids/
youtube.com/watch?v=HsKRyIMxX4U
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROCA_vulnerability
this is what happens when you trust technology to help with sensitive stuff like ID cards and voting.

Probably a more completely isolated intranet with no outside connections, for starters.
>Storage device or fs failure randomly cripples a nation
>bug in the system
>administrative user error
So many more things can go wrong than with physical counts, and the effects are way more catastrophic as shown here.

no. i don't trust encryption. i'd rather vote in booth.
thread isn't yet derailed.

> I'm too busy working
> too poor and homeless no DMV near me

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itt: astroturfing tranny political soapbox

sage

sure, but people pay a lot more attention when there is a physical object to protect, and no one should ever trust electronic black boxes- not even "open source" ones, unless you want to audit MBs of machine code, for every single machine out there.

yes it's a meme. You see fraud and identity theft all the time with credit cards, people's social security numbers being stolen and/or put on their social media because they're fucking retarded. I do however believe some sort of verifiable ID should be required to be allowed to vote, and that paper ballots should be done away with. Voting at home is ridiculous.

Don't want to go Jow Forums on this thread, but I've had people legitimately tell me that requiring ID's from people is "racist and class-ist". How the fuck.

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It's really easy to design a computer system where everybody can be sure votes are counted correctly and can be verified.
It's really easy to design a computer system where it's guaranteed that your vote is anonymous and votes can't be traced back to people.
It's next to impossible to design a computer system that does both at the same time. If you can design such a system, it will be incomprehensible to everybody but a tiny fraction of the population. Voting should be simple, so people can have trust in it.

Democracy is a theater used to make believe the goyim they have a choice. A democratic society is controlled by whoever controls the media. In the Western World today that would be Jews.
We need white fascism to get rid of the parasite once and for all.

fuck off cunt, the adults are speaking. Take you and your idolizing of fascism and get fucked.

Unironically the perfect use case for a blockchain. For electronic voting to be perfectly safe and uncheatable, it needs to 1) be able to be independently verified by individuals, but 2) not compromise the privacy of voters, and 3) there should be no persons or groups able to directly modify the votes or see what people votes. This is achievable as a smart contract on f.ex. ethereum. Everyone can vote once using their national ID number and a personal password, and it gets stored and tallied automatically in a provable, transparent way. In fact I can't really think of a single flaw to such a system.

I'd like to hear your better plan to get rid of the parasites that are subverting us, mate.

it doesn't fit the narrative of the powers that be. Send this man to the gulag
Cut ALL funding to Israel and let them take care of themselves. At the same time, cut ALL funding to all nations that aren't of benefit to the US. (Why the FUCK are we supporting worthless do nothing nations in Africa when the give absolutely nothing in return other than more AIDS and ebola?). By extension, the number of deaths for the interests of Israel will drastically decline to almost zero. Then start a nationwide anti-hollywood, anti-mainstream news and TV movement. Thus cutting off many people from majority Jewish owned media.

You don't need a government issued ID to get a job
It's a reality for a lot of people with shit jobs and no paid time off
They bring the equipment to your home to make the ID during off hours?

It's really easy to rig a touch screen to select the republican candidate when any other candidate is selected

>It's a reality for a lot of people with shit jobs and no paid time off
So, do you like take vacation days to be able to go food shopping? The whole "i'm too busy to get my ID" shit is retarded. Unless you're literally working 20+ hours a day every single day without rest your entire life, you have some time to get shit done. And it's not like it has to be done more than once every few years.
>They bring the equipment to your home to make the ID during off hours?
You understand what the mail is yea? Some states even offer the option to get your new Driver's License mailed to you rather than going to the DMV.

nationstates/corporations/hackers in black hoodies don't have an incentive to fuck with your bank account, but they do have reason to systematically fuck with votes.

Absolute meme

>So, do you like take vacation days to be able to go food shopping?
Grocery stores, unlike the DMV are open outside of 9 to 4.
>You understand what the mail is yea? Some states even offer the option to get your new Driver's License mailed to you rather than going to the DMV.
How does the picture get taken? Do they mail you a camera?

youtube.com/watch?v=PT0e9yTD2M8

it's a meme

>implying poor and homeless should vote
return to Jow Forums, retard.

It's as trustable as the owner of the server, ie NOTHING AT ALL

No it isn't. Vacation pay is the law. Stop being a lying nigger.

Funny, I can't find your argument. You must have left it at r/socialism

You mail it in after taking the photo to a specific set of specifications.
If you know so little about the ID acquisition process, why do you think you're qualified to debate it in the first place?

Brazil uses electronic voting and Bolsonaro won.

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I live in Germany, ids are mandatory,. I also work 8/5. You go into the office, comission an id, and it will be ready in about three weeks. The offices in my region are open until 18:30(at least on thursdays) How is that hard again. You "democrats" are so removed from reality that it isnt even funny anymore.

This was for
Oh look you can do it on their fucking website too, no need to phone or mail (which are also both options)
Starting to wonder if you even fucking try to understand how your fucking trash tier country works.

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Its a non issue used as a front so illegals can vote

Could you outline your argument for us, so there's something to respond to? You literally just said
>implying poor and homeless are people
Which is a brainlet take (but basically expected of a right winger)

Thing is, voting is a right. If getting an ID requires money, ID checks are a fucking poll tax which is unconstitutional. Anyone who cares about the constitution would know this.

The argument is that homeless people dont need a DMV or use one since they dont drive and there is no moral outrage justified by one being removed from their neighbourhood, and being on the other side of town for a homeless person is a non issue. There is no argument to respond to really because the original comment was fucking retard tier.
You have vacation pay to take time off with.
You need your ID to get your job in the first place.
You can phone, mail, or apply online for a replacement ID to be mailed to you if you lose yours.
Stop being a faggot

You can force the state to give them out for free. You democrats like handouts, don't you? Im sure the republicans wont even interfere if that means ids are mandatory for voting. Its a win win really. Except if there is another reason for your stance that you wont admit, of course. Im the german guy btw.

how is less safe than buying something from amazon? i don't get it

people are ok with buying things from the internet but they are ok with voting on the internet? why?

i am all for voting via the internet. it would increase voter participation and make going to a voting both unnecessary

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>It is unconstitutional to be forced to prove you are a citizen
>it is unconstitutional to provide government services for a fee
No to both of these, try again commie fag.

how is it less safe*

but they are not ok with*

Because if I get the wrong order I can send it back to Amazon. If my vote gets counted wrong I may not even know it.
How is this anything like buying on Amazon? Wtf.
Yes. None of these are arguments for ID not being necessary to vote. They are arguments for ID being more free and more available. However the system isn't tremendously flawed in the first place, it is a literal non issue for nigger brained retards.

Regarding the homeless. Its a shame. If a birth certificate can be found, they should be able to get them. If they cant be delivered, however their voices wont be hewrd. If you just made ids mandatory sooner, many homeless people could vote, that cant do so now. Imagine a world, where everyone gets an id as soon as they hit 16, while they are still sheltered by there parents and so they can vote, whatever may happen to them. But wait, wo dont have to. Its already standard in Germany. If they dont have a residence, they can get their ballot through the government offices. No one who wants to use his rights is left out.

Literally the only reason democrats try to argue that ID's are difficult is so they can continue with rampant voter fraud.

>democrats like handouts
Reminder that the most conservative states leech the most off the federal budget.
>Except if there is another reason for your stance that you wont admit, of course
Like what? I don't understand the implication.

>charging people money to vote is illegal
>id requires money
>id is required to vote
Do you understand now, Cletus? Fucking fascists.

I know. But you won't defeat zealots in debate if you just state the obvious, do you? In order to convince those who might lurk and are undecided, you have to walk them through it and point out the hidden fallacies and inconsistencies at every step, suggesting malicious intent where it is befitting. Normal people hate to assume the worst of people they don't know. Show some empathy with those that might be listening. Speak truthfully and freely, but never let cynicism get the better of you, when you intent to let your thoughts be known to the public. I know it hurty, because i know you care. And caring "too" much is the vulnerability of sound individuals, that malicious actors like to abuse the most.

Getting ids for free is something many taxpayers would readily support. Think progressively. If something is unjust, change it. It would be a walk in the park to convince republicans that free ids are a worthy cause. In conjunction with making them mandatory for voting, that is

>asking for my ID to prove I have a right to vote in this country is fascist
>no-no, I'm not antifa commie faggot, Haha no way those guys are losers.
Ok bud. So lobby for free ID services. But that's not what you want is it? You want illegal immigrants to vote 10 times in different districts. Stop being a fucking retard

Also, the constitution protects citizens, and saying you don't need to prove you are a citizen because asking for proof of it is unconstitutional, is peak faggot.

And I would definitely support free IDs (hint: republicans would seethe over it because it makes it easier for niggers to vote)
>You want illegal immigrants to vote 10 times in different districts
You want to find me some evidence that that happens? Anything, just a shred!
Because it fucking doesn't. It's a deranged persecution fantasy dreamt up by redneck retards to keep poor people from voting democrat.
>the constitution protects citizens
How about you point to where it says that, user? The constitution is a check on the power of government. That's all.

They all wanted to move to Canada so let them. We have voter ID required and also charge for ID replacements, at a government body that is only open on weekdays. Same shit as everywhere else in the states.
Funny though, no one in the whole country seems to give a shit tho. Almost as if it's a fucking non issue.

California leeches of federal water and food. Resources way more important than fiat money. As an advocate of fighting climate change you would agree, wouldn't you?
I care too much for a drunk german. Why are you an asshole? Do yiu just want to see the world burn. Do you feel guilty for what happened in the middle east. You dont have to. Americans are lovely. Its your government thats corrupt, not you. You dont have to suicide the whole country for it

Not him, but that would be a terribly ineffective method to swing elections. Believe me, if I thought I could further the cause of leftism using in person voter fraud by illegals who I bus around the state, I would do it. But it wouldn't accomplish shit, especially compared to actually effective election biasing techniques like gerrymandering, purging voter rolls on false pretenses, moving voter booths all over the fucking place (you know, the stuff republicans do).

> hint: republicans would seethe over it

no they wouldnt
thats just another one of your excuses

I don't really understand much of what you're saying here, honestly.

Thank you for your honesty. Maybe a dialogue can be reached after all. I cant comment on your concerns because i dont know about the gerrymandering issues in the us, but hope the other side of the fence in your country will answer respectfully. Maybe this wont be a shit thread after all.

horrible idea

dude blockchain lamo

They fucking scream whenever people try to give away free stuff. All the notorious republican voter disenfranchisement methods happen significantly more often and to a great degree in poor minority areas. It's not a secret, they do this shit because they know poor people and minorities vote democrat.

Almost didn't.

>token/password based authentication is really secure
the concern isn't authentication you stupid fucking cunt

>marginalize minorities
cunt

Yet the only ones suggesting that you should lobby for affordable/free IDs are Republicans themselves.
Wow, look at that, your half black half Arab brain can figure something out.
>Just a shred!
www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/24/politics/illegal-voting-2016-election-foreign-nationals
>Ha this is just one-
It is 19. Dont move goalposts retard.
>muh biased news--
CNN is not "fascist"
I expect you will stop posting now since you prove with every single comment, that you don't know fucking thing you're talking about.

This a strawman, and again, Republicans are the ones suggesting this change, and lastly, since when is what Republicans want supposed to be a liberals standard guide? What Republicans want is NOT an argument for why you as a liberal, would rather strip ID based voting than make ID more available to citizens.
Stop feigning ignorance.
Stop strawmanning.
Stop lying.
Stop moving goalposts.
Stop posting on Jow Forums and go back where you came from.

How off topic is this now from voting technology?

>Is electronic voting a meme?
Yes
>Is it safe?
No

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>vote once using their national ID number and a personal password, and it gets stored and tallied automatically in a provable, transparent way
that's not anonymous

>19 people
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
That couldn't even swing a fucking local election.
>strawman
Really though? Is it? Many of them base their entire ideology against socialism and handouts. You see examples of it in this very thread.
>Republicans are the ones suggesting this change
If Republicans are pushing for free IDs, good. I agree with that and would vote for a bill that required ID but made it free. But I've never even heard of a republican pushing that shit, it simply doesn't happen to any large degree.
>go back
I'll go back to /b/ as soon as you go back to the donald.
Based.

I guess I am saying that money isnt everything. You are right, that the liberal cities are(currently) where the most wealth is created, but without the corn belt and water from the rocky mountains, states like cali would have trouble to sustain their populace. You are all in this together, countryside and cityfolk. The political rift between thise sides is threatening the already fragile interdependences in your country. Dialogue ceded and the reality of those that arent like you are only communicated through media of any form. The filter bubbles are very real. The sad part is that it is already too late to reverse this. The second part was just me rambling, as i dont understand why "liberals" in particular want to dismantle everything their forefathers built. We dont live in a post-scarcity society yet. It all looks like collective daddy issues to me. Geopolitics ruined the trust the citizens of the us once had. Now everything is up for debate and talking heads on tv and internet are just regurgitating opinions without wisdom. The us was better when it was isolationist. And many atrocities wiukdnt hav happened if this was still the case. Yet yiur government wants to meddle, and the populace feels guilty for it. Its all just so tiresome and sad.