Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
CPUs >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). 2400G if you want a CPU which can last into a GPU upgrade >R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded use >R7 3800/X - High end gaming, launching 7/7 >R9 3900X/3950X - Budget HEDT or gaming+streaming on a single PC, launching in September >Threadripper - HEDT
>Intel CPUs are now defunct. Even used i7 workstations are no longer worthwhile due to vulnerabilities and related performance regression
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" link for true latency formula
Graphics cards 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+ > 1660Ti / Vega56 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >used 1070Ti / Vega - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >High end models of 2070 like the Strix have been on sale for ~$460 2160p (4k) >Wait for better priced GPUs. 2080Ti is only 1.85x the performance for 4x the cost of a $300 GPU, and still only does 30fps in many games.
>RX 5700/XT is launching on 7/7. Nvidia Super soon as well. Wait for independent benchmarks if considering a >$300 GPU
Other >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
How much of a premium is worth paying for g sync monitors over freesync? It seems to me they're asking for almost €300 jump in price. I heard they started to make freesync work with nvidia GPUs?
Cooper Davis
Stop shilling for amd. Especially for their dogshit cards.
Charles Nelson
LEGOS
Austin Baker
Question for EU fags, where do you shop online for pc parts? Is Amazon the only option or are there any good smaller stores?
Colton Cox
Does the latest LTSC build include the update that makes ryzen faster? Excuse my retardation.
Jonathan Myers
Is the Noctua Nf-A14 any good? I've seen quite a few complaints of annoying sounds but on the other hand quite a few positive comments as well.
Levi Rogers
Computeruniverse.net
Easton Flores
depends. freesync in general is hit or miss because amd doesn't individually verify every freesync monitor. my monitor is freesync capable at 144hz but when i use it's almost broken and sometimes doesn't work or the monitor spazzes out. i actually sent it off for repair and i hope they fix it and it's not just the monitor being shit because i've read online that it's just the monitor is shit and other people having the same issues. gsync costs way more but it's all regulated and certified so it's almost guaranteed to work. the price premium is up to the individual if its worth it for them though. i still would rather try alternate freesync monitors than pay for gsync personally.
Nathaniel Rogers
Will AG271QX be enough to read moving names in MMOs or I have to pay a bunch of money for ULMB monitor?
Jaxson Wood
same prices as amazon and even higher shipping cost
Matthew Collins
How much do you guys think the RTX 2080 will drop in price when the RTX 2080 Super comes out?
Ian Cooper
0$
Thomas Miller
The headphone jack on the front of the case uses the same audio chip as the jack on the motherboard I/O right? There's no quality loss?
So you say high end gaming with the 3800x, but it's not even out yet so how can you recommend it?
Also, on an unrelated note, why are shills allowed to make these threads in the first place?
Cameron Brown
Feels bad for you. But for me, I don't play taxes for products in it.
Jason Morris
most 2080s already go for 700~750 these days, so if the 2080 super is going to sell for 800 like the rumors say, nothing will change
Juan Ross
Amazon or whatever is local to your particular country, there's no special "EU" superstore.
Benjamin Baker
Rate my planned loadout upgrade for the next Five Years.
>AMD Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz >MSI GTX 1660 Ti X 6GB GDDR6 >MSI X470 Plus >G.SKILL 16GB 3000MHz Aegis CL16 (2x8GB >Corsair CX600M PSU Retained >Hyper 212 Evo Cooler Master >Arctic MX-4 Carbon Thermal Compound 2019 Edition >238 GB Crucial_CT256MX100SSD1 (SATA) (SSD) Retained >931 GB Western Digital WDC WD10EZEX-00BN5A0 (SATA) Retained >4657 GB Seagate BUP SL SCSI Disk Device (USB) (SATA) Retained >1397 GB Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex USB Device (USB) (SATA) (SSD) Retained
As for the monitor, do i really need to replace my LG 24MP55? Should i wait until the third generation Ryzen processors come out? Or is the i7-4770k still good enough?
i usually check the tweakers.net pricewatch and buy stuff at retailers that have the product for cheapest the site is in dutch though so it might not be too useful for non dutch people
Brandon Miller
Hey user, thanks for posting that, but I made an improved version after the feedback in the previous threads. Should be slightly easier to use and read, and includes up to 55" size and 5,6m of distance, in case someone wants some weird setup. imgur.com/UPIqJ69
David Wilson
I used some shop of my own country, but they always tried to fuck me big time. Now I just use amazons because the CS is 100 times better and my ass is always covered thanks to EU laws
Easton Williams
>1700X The fuck kind of CPU choice is this? Are you trying to be ironic?
Austin Fisher
So before I get into 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo Is there any risk in using my old sticks of RAM and CPU? I don't want a repeat of the GPU shit causing more failures and fuck ups.
The CPUs are a no brained right now. Cards are dogshit, unless you do work on VEGA then its hit or miss.
Ethan Myers
i use Alzashop sometimes, found a few good deals in the past
Anthony Brooks
No. They just won't work if dead, you need to do some serious voodoo shit to make a cpu or ram stick fry a mobo.
Levi Morales
Do you mean to tell me it's already been outmoded for the same price?
Anthony Green
So the only reason my GPU was able to cause damage is because it was directly connected to the PSU?
Jeremiah Morgan
And because it was catastrophically damaged while connected to the power interface on you PCI-E slot, yeah.
Adrian Howard
What's wrong with it
Daniel Myers
It was the underwhelming stepchild CPU on release in 2017. Nobody even remember it exists. 2600 is a better choice, waiting 2 weeks for the 3600 is even better.
Lincoln Green
Should i get the 2700 then? It's available right now for the same price.
Nathan Reed
Unless they price the super 2080s in the 700-750 range, absolutely none
Angel Russell
Do you guys think Ryzen 2700X will drop more after 7/7? Currently $280 on Amazon.
Unless you need a PC right now, wait 2 weeks for the 3rd gen Ryzens to come out.
Chase Murphy
No. Why do people keep asking this. They are on clearance NOW. BEFORE LAUNCH. If anything price will increase RRP to deflect sales onto the new gen, remaining 2nd gen stock will be dumped in big sales in a few months.
Brayden Turner
Related to building cheap PCs... How does one get the cheapest windows 10 licenses they can?
Jeremiah Cruz
I was looking to get a replacement fast enough to get me back into working order considering my i7-4770k has been cooking at 98C when at full power as of late preventing me from rendering or doing radiosity calculations. I guess i'll just apply the thermal paste and the new cooler and wait.
Adrian Mitchell
This , although if you live in Germany you can get better deals than Amazon, whose delivery usually negates the price difference, although I've found Amazon to be fully competitive and am planning to get everything in my build except perhaps the case from them. In Ireland we don't have our own Amazon, so it's basically a choice between the UK amazon or the European ones, of which the German one seems to be the most reliably well-priced, without the hassle or hidden costs of switching pound to euro.
Jeremiah James
wow amd are trying to sell their stock before zen 2 drops and everyone realises intel is better
Nathan Nelson
Haven't the Ryzen prices been pretty much the same throughout their lifespan? I'm building a new system and need an old CPU anyway to flash the BIOS so I was thinking I might get a cheapo 2600 right now and then upgrade to a 3600X or perhaps 3700X if /when they drop in price but when I looked up historical prices for the 2000 series they appear to have been pretty much constant.
If it's a gaming build you should still wait for the 3600
Carter Edwards
Is pirating Windows 10 as simple as 7 was? I haven't upgraded my OS in almost ten years now.
Kevin Flores
AOC makes some good stuff but stop playing shitty games
Jayden Russell
I'm dying here with my old FX-8350
Austin Walker
Easier because all you need is a simple script, no sketchy slavware.
Levi Roberts
yeah, some torrent sites have preactivated ISOs and even if you just get a pure ISO, KMSpico is so fucking easy to download. Just remember to disable Windows Defender first
Isaac Green
I heard the text looks ugly on VA panels, is that true? Reading is what I do most of the time.
Nathaniel Cox
can you spoonfeed me? just drop the script name or soemthing
Levi Long
>KMSpico >disable Windows Defender No. KMS-VL-ALL or KMS38
David Johnson
860 EVO or 970 EVO Plus? Price difference is $65 where I live.
Dylan Lopez
looks fine on mine
Chase Ramirez
Just download it from here Rutracker.org.
Chase Hughes
nice try ivan Get the ISO direct from microsoft.
Joshua Green
can i just go to the official MS site, download the official win10 ISO onto a USB, install and then use that shit?
Nathan Cooper
What's your problem?
Nicholas Anderson
You can and should do that, yes.
Hunter Carter
k thanks bro, i hope your not trolling me into a slav botnet ring
Hudson Sanders
"Slav botnet ring" is actually just iso without shitty Microsoft services. But I accept your retardation here.
Jonathan Price
It's all open shit you can see what each script you run does in plain text.
Kayden Jones
the only quality loss is if the case i/o itself is trash, but that's unlikely
Leo Campbell
How many i7-4770k users will be jumping ship over to Ryzen once the 3rd Generation Processors come out?
Carson Taylor
none because you basically neeed to get a new mobo and ram and cpu, half of a PC just to chnage cpus...
Owen Parker
Are Intel CPUs still preferred for game console emulation? CEMU, Citra, etc.
Jacob Gray
It's a fractal R6 Blackout. Should be fine I hope
Isaiah Thomas
TLDR: yes, certainly 144hz TN 1ms is basically the correct thing to aim for if you want extreme speed, the only other thing to consider is whether you want a sync technology. However, MMOs are usually well optimised so you can probably get the 144hz no problem, and the other thing is that that particular model is said to be actually pretty good for compatibility with gsync even though it doesn't seem to be formally supported, thanks to new drivers.
That's basically what I'm wondering myself, whether it's worth investing more for gsync. I've already more or less decided I'm okay with trading 3ms response time for IPS picture quality, because I don't really play online games or twitchy shooters, mostly strategy or RPGs. A candidate I'm considering is a relative of the AG271QX, the AG271QG. Just don't know if gsync plus IPS is worth the ~€160 price jump, or if the slight latency in an IPS panel would piss me off, having used only TN 1080p. The grass is always greener etc.
It's like three weeks dude.
Asher Morgan
Check the stores listed for some popular part on pcpartpicker.com after changing the country from US to the European country you live in.
Camden Sanders
lol yeah and obviously that never happens with intel right
Henry Brooks
i'll replace my 2500k with a 3700x for sure been saving money for months to get a whole new rig running
Bentley Morales
>MMOs are usually well optimised so you can probably get the 144hz no problem lol which MMOs are these? They are all horribly optimized single threaded shit that run like utter garbage on 9900k and 2080Ti
Brayden Powell
I would wait for independent reviews of new cpus first.
Julian Collins
i am waiting, but for now the 3700x seems best bang for buck i might go 3800x if it's a way better overclocker but i'm honestly not counting on it
Ryder Miller
>wait for (((independent))) reviews >you may yet change your mind and choose an Intel® Core™ desktop processor, fellow consumer :^)
Ayden Jenkins
Really? Well I must admit I'm not speaking from experience, just perception that MMOs aim lower than single player experiences in order to maintain playability and wide playerbases. If they're not well optimised and you wouldn't get 144 with top tier CPU/GPU, then for the user who asked, the adaptive sync features of the monitor become all the more important.
Carson Allen
What cases are good to buy nowadays? The last time I bought one was when the HAF 912 was still a popular thing.
Nicholas Evans
An AMD guy has said 3700X has the highest OC potential. >with our boost algorithms, we eke out just about everything you can get. So maybe a couple hundred megahertz. With the 65W parts you’ll get a lot more because their specs are run with a lower power. So you can overclock the thing, get all the power of it, and, obviously, you get more headroom out of it.
Logan Richardson
3800X and 3900X will still be more powerful in absolute gaming performance terms?
Hunter Garcia
Pretty much not worth it if you're getting a monitor with Freesync 2
>include the update that makes ryzen faster? So far its a meme; no performance uplift in independent benchmarks
The i7 is still good enough for most games; you'll see no performance uplift over the i7 4770K with an R7 1700X. If you already have that i7, just wait to upgrade until it starts to fail you
Liam Nelson
>have an i5 4690k @4.3GHz >figure it's faster than the tablet shit they put in consoles now despite having half as many cores >still not getting desired framerates >finally decide to open up task manager while playing a game >all cores 100% maxed out Fug I need a new cpu
Leo Wood
can someone recommend a good 1080p 144hz monitor that isnt 5 years old? all the popular models on amazon and others sites are old as fuck
Joseph Rodriguez
3800x will be 1-2% better at most, not worth the extra cost. 3900x has double the cache so probably a fair bit better.
Oliver Walker
It's not your fault intlel shills had been pushing 4c4t CPUs as "great for gaming" for most of a decade. Many others fell for it, me included.
Jace Nguyen
Not to mention it's stutter city even if I am getting 100+fps. Really can't wait for the new ryzen chips to come out and try them.
Lincoln Anderson
whats your GPU nigger?
Levi Johnson
1060 6GB
Zachary Torres
Why not wait next month? Zen2 parts are just around the corner
Carter Evans
because 9900k will still have better game performance and I don't care
Leo Jones
My PC keeps power cycling on and off. It turns on for about 30 seconds, fans at full blast, then it turns off for a few seconds. It's been doing this for awhile and it doesn't seem like it's going to stop. I've reseated the RAM and cleared the CMOS and it still does it. What do?
Christian Wright
>Pretty much not worth it if you're getting a monitor with Freesync 2 What are some good 27" IPS panels with freesync 2? And what would you say about the difference between IPS and TN for someone who's always had TN at 1080 but is open to choosing IPS for 1440? Is the latency noticeable, or is it a better compromise to choose the TN and keep the speed while having the jump in picture quality be from resolution and modernity of the design? If you think the picture on the TNs is fine, I might choose an AG271QX for ~200 less than the AG271QG. Provided it's a monitor with freesync 2 as well of course.
Isaiah Lewis
we all got cucked by 4th gen Intel back in the day
Zachary Mitchell
That's interesting. What exactly is the market niche for the 3800x? Intel don't seem to be putting a model in the gap between the 9700 and 9900, but AMD are? And how much of a gaming improvement would you think the Threadrippers are likely to be over the 3900x, if at all?
Aaron Hall
6th/7th gen was the hardest cucking desu. Still mad about that 6600K, barely lasted a year before i couldn't stand it anymore.