Where did it all go wrong?

China invested in stealing Western technologies.

>Japan number 1
>Japan number 1
>Japan number 1

>financial scams
The fuck did you mean by this

Sooo true..
Same in Europe here.
Nobody understands why they overperform us.
We didnt do anything.... How could this happen..??

Supercomputers are overrated. They have particular use cases, otherwise there are way better options out there.

>where did everything go wrong
lets see

1) country A is a superpower and has only 350 million people
2) country b is already a superpower and has x5 more the population

who is gonna produce more shit in the end of the day?

slightly smarter yes, but they got insectoid slave mentalities. They can't innovate.

They also don't produce as many genius level people, they just have less morons.

If believing that makes you feel more comfortable go ahead. There are plenty of innovative people in China (one only has to look at how since the iPhone came out, smartphone design has been steered by the east not by America).
Just consider where China was 40 years ago. It will soon reach and surpass America in terms of what gets created.

There's a reason private companies moved away from super computers. Surprisingly few workloads that actually need their advantages over ad hoc networked computer clusters.

Our only advantage is that a good percentage of their best thinkers like prestige and money. So they go to school in the US and often get a job here. That's becoming less necessary as wages in Chinese cities increase.

We elected a buffoon

Around 2009?

2000 when we first started to lose territory, and again in 2016 when it really hit the fan.

It's interesting but the trend was clear from 2011 onward.

Who need power when they got a backdoor ?

>sparc ripoff
nips can only improve, never invent

>Our colleges are simply hotbeds for greviance studies now.

They already know that the American school system is bunk, biazuo.

I've lived and worked in china, it's shit, fake, soviet tier fake and national pride cope levels. Its days of rapid wild growth is over, the state is consolidating its power and setting forward the plans for the future, which makes sense given the state of the West now.
The difference is it's actually still getting better, while the West is just sinking to shit. Sold our roots and future for wealth, and now we aren't even getting a sliver of that wealth, just continuous deconstruction, rot and meaningless empty bloat.

They still come here in great number. That's why I said they care about prestige.

Good. American hegemonial claims and exceptionalism are a fucking plague. You're not the only country that matters. Learn to fucking deal with it like everyone else.

look into some of the shit that caused the recession.
america wont put financial classes in schools, have bullshit classes you will never use, and banks took advantage of every person buying a house along with outright lying to companies selling in their own words 'flaming bags of shit'

Americans are exceptional in their belief in their exceptionalism.

I always thought Russians were the most exceptional in their belief of their exceptionalism but then I visited USA and god fucking damn they are like bongs except they're completely open and loud about their superiority complex. Russians seem humble in comparison.

America peaked in the 90s.

>sjws
>2019

Back to Jow Forums you incel cuck.

Because China was literally a fucking rice field until like 50 years ago. Most of the US tech giants have been established for decades, there's only so much you can grow before you're no longer making those juicy profit margins. Established companies also take fewer risks and trade high risk innovation and dumping huge loads on R&D for "stable growth". Also the US is fucking itself with all the protectionist bullshit they're practicing.

Now you take China which has an insane workforce, low production costs, government subsidies, reverse engineering (stealing) shit that western tech companies spent decades developing, established manufacturing infrastructure and you get that graph. They had a nice foundation of existing tech to start with.

>US fucked itself by outsourcing
>US is fucking itself by protectionism

The low IQ in this thread.

>the US fucked itself by outsourcing
The only people saying this are mongoloid conservatives who use muhh outsourcing as a scapegoat for why poor people are fucked, so they don't have to do anything.

>China didn’t catch up to us because of the outsourcing of tech

>China subverts government
>Get's US to trade with them
>They lower yuan artificially so US companies not building in China cannot compete and slowly dissolve into debt
>at the same time gain insider knowledge from the corps now building stuff in your company

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>US corporations outsource jobs for muh profits and Wohl street
>destroy entire US middle class
>give rise to the behemoth of China

Direct fucking result of that. Those are indirectly funded by Chinese sources.
Who do you think funds this shit in governments? Who do you think lobbies the most now in governments?

Probably the most populated totalitarian government on the planet. The wall fell, but it was a battle, not the war that was "won".

>what is corporate espionage
>what is propaganda and subversion

So much low IQ in this thread.

China literally lobbied in the US, funded think tanks, manipulated currency and finances while trading with the US in order to destroy US capital and industries and gain capital for themselves.
Your government let this happen. Your corporations let this happen.

So much denial in this thread.

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The US still has more collective computing power and is set to kick China's ass in the race to exascale.

>Wall St dindu nuffin
>Globalist capitalism good
>muh espionage

>Just consider where China was 40 years ago.
The retard argument. China, like Japan and South Korea, benefited from massive western investment.

Not if the US is putting backdoors in things.
There goes that potential market.

>china, a one party totalitarian regime, dindu nothing
>yet for some reason the US now suddenly wants to put backdoors in shit, thus destroying the reason why companies were beginning to pull out of China
>nothing to see here, it's definitely not a side effect of Chinese lobbying and think tank manipulation

And like Japan and South Korea, they've manipulated their currency and are about to implode the economy yet again.

>muh globalist capitalism good
>muh transsexual democracy good
>muh communism bad

More low IQ opinions.

>any of those
>good

Good point. Fuck governments. Destroy them all.

Sadly Communism seems normal in comparison to transsexual fetishized democracy.

It's like we're being manipulated to destroy our systems and make them self destruct.'
Of course that's just conspiracy and accelerationism is definitely not a thing. Nor are there people that have such dirty paws that they might seek to drag the rest of the population into their cesspit.

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I disagree, communism lead to the latter. It enforced the latter indirectly to make it appeal better to some people.

>being manipulated
Oh no, the destruction is a physical reality not a psychical one.

Funny how that the democratization of opinion has lead to transsexual fetishism and the consolidation of opinion avoids it.

Why is lobbying allowed to begin with?
Isn't it a conflict of interest?

So you admit it's happening then?

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Our people let it happen. Who cares, nobody listens to me/votes for what I want anyway.

Funny how single party states begin to act like corporate monopolies, lobbying for their control of the market via the psychological manipulation of the masses.

Only when people have no guns.

What do you mean where? It’s right there starting in 2016

I'm not sure you know how the top500 list works...

>Stop telling me I'm being raped by psychological manipulation you bigot
This is our society today.

It correlates with economic performance user. They're not mutually exclusive.

>implying communism is good

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China's economy is near self-destruction at this point. The communist party keeps pumping debt and it's becoming noticeably less effective.

>slightly smarter yes, but they got insectoid slave mentalities. They can't innovate.
This is just cope. Chinese bugmen are better at innovation than 2 digit IQ indians and other people we import now.

The US's economy is near self-destruction at this point. Both parties keep pumping debt and it's becoming noticeably less effective.

Yeah but the latter was forced by the former due to China's initial currency manipulation and due to the size of China.
If China were competent with economics, none of us would be drowning in debt so much.

the dragon is waking up

>it's China's fault the US congress spends like drunken sailors
Are you for real? Yes we owe some debt to china, but it's really not that much in the grand scheme of things. The culprit is medicare and social security which are both completely unsustainable.

That's not at any level even remotely close to what I said you idiot. What makes you think I'm far left because I'm disappointed in having no meaningful representation?

There is only one explanation that makes sense, the world ended in in 2014 and we're all in hell.
youtube.com/watch?v=oNXzMBA9VU4&t=76s

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Yup they literally had their students/post docs etc "studying" and doing "research" here. Yes. "Research" for the Chinese govt.

I had a few live in the apt above mine for a few years. Dirty as all hell too.

the decline began after Microsoft ended support for Windows XP.

easy to game the iq average by not letting the peasants take the test

you think this bad, wait to see what happens when they end support for windows 7. Professionals hate windows 10. and software companies just aren't supporting Linux still. the end of windows 7 will mark the end of civilization.

>anyone who brings up modern social justiice in a negative light makes them an incel
this is why people cant take you onions freaks seriously

Currency manipulation lead to a drastic decline in some industries with smaller corps that could not compete with China's artificial "competitive price". You can guess how that could impact taxation and the amount of people able to pay tax.

>The culprit is medicare and social security which are both completely unsustainable.
No it is China's currency manipulation that fucked our economy (and will soon fuck theirs as well). The only people in the US that "benefited" were the executives major share owners of the major corps that made their products in China. But of course, the real benefit did not exist. Less people are able to buy their products in the US because they've screwed with the distribution of currency. Overall, US lost in real terms from top executive to the lowest class.
China thinks it's had success here too, but this going to negatively impact the real growth of the economy in a big way to the point where they will now have a crunch too.

All this started with China continuing to manipulate it's currency even after seeing how similar situations impacted Japan and the asian tigers in the 90's.

China totally fucked us and soon they will fuck themselves because of their inability to grasp economics.

>Chinese bug people being able to do anything
Fake and gay, like everything else that comes from there.

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>steal Western designs
>look at how innovative they are guys

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China and free trade in general have certainly harmed our economy, but it's not the only thing. If congress spent money and actually invested in American jobs and citizens, we'd be way, way better off today. Certainly, China is a threat, but there is no reason why we have to go down with them. It boils down to retarded public policy that serves the interest of multinational corporations over its citizens.

>If congress spent money and actually invested in American jobs and citizens, we'd be way, way better off today
Instead they were sustaining them because they had no work user...
Why was that?
Probably because their jobs moved to China.

>but there is no reason why we have to go down with them
The economies are too entwined to pull that plug. We need a true economic plan between the two countries to sort this mess out. China needs to stop fucking with it's currency and we need to diversify the economies in both countries.

Problem - China is a single party state, how can we make sure they do what's right by the people and for the economy?
It goes further though. The legal enforcement in China lacks a real dispute system. You can't guarantee products from China without international arbitration clauses or similar neutral country dispute resolution systems. You can't guarantee that China's organisations would do what's best for the economy by such a system.

Globalisation does not work without the recognition of national state jurisdiction requirements and reasonable economic diversity and distribution in these national states. Over-centralisation is killing our economy, the irony is that we're doing that through an economic system we used to say was anti-centralisation (i.e. anti-nationalist). We just ended up producing a lopsided centralised regime. We need to break that regime into smaller parts or it's not going to function correctly.

Obama unironically was the best President the United States ever had since Eisenhower and Truman.

>Saved the US from a Great Depression with Quantitative Easing. Republicans were claiming the economy was gonna collapse from QE. Instead, it averted a catastrophe as it happened in the European Union. The current (fading) boom is all thanks to Obama.
>Killed Bin Laden
>Pulled out of Iraq quagmire
>Created millions of jobs
>Deported more illegal immigrants per year than Trump (look up the numbers)
>Before Trump cancelled it, Obama was cucking China with the Trans-Pacific Partnership, it was invented to sweep all of SEA, Oceania and South America from the Chinese sphere of influence, redirecting trade towards the US. Evidence it was working was the fact that China panicked and was trying to come up with its own trade agreement alternative.
>Crashed the Russian economy with a single stroke of a pen as punishment for the invasion and annexation of Crimea which was in violation of 1990s treaties between America, Russia and Ukraine. Russian protests in 2014 almost bring Putin down. This led to Putin developing his trollfarms to influence the American elections in retaliation.

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I wonder what will happen when the info from the west dries up.
You see, the reason why the west got that far was that they had this thing called "free speech". China doesn't have that. It's trying to push that mentality in the west too, because it knows it won't be able to compete otherwise. We're gonna slow down to their pace now because they can't handle free speech.

>being this blind to reality
economist.com/china/2017/03/23/china-is-spending-billions-to-make-the-world-love-it

The federal government debt is a serious problem, the private debt not so much.

>AMD was so desperate for money they gave all their tech to the chinks
>Now China is advancing faster and faster

If you buy AMD tech kill yourself.

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too late, my PC is AMD, suck it

>Saved the US from a Great Depression with Quantitative Easing
>see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble

Guess where the US is buddy.
Also guess where China is too.

Obama and the Democrats selling out the US for cold hard cash. Clinton did the same in the late 90's. Democrats are literally traitors to the nation.

.. I think the second reply in that post was a misspost.

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No I think they might have attempted to soften China's manipulation to give more preparation time for the crunch. They saw China wasn't listening perhaps.
Still, that's a sign they simply lacked the guts to say the truth about the situation. My guess is the lobby persuaded them.

china can't surpass anybody, because they only steal and copy designs, they're not creative people

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