How did americans get it so ass backwards?

US actually makes the most sense when ordering by quantity:

>US: [1-12] / [1-31] / [0000] (S, M, L)
>EU: [1-31] / [1-12] / [0000] (M, S, L)
>ISO: [0000] / [1-12] / [1-31] (L, S, M)

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Hey I was just looking at the date manpage before I came to this thread.
$ date --date='@1561752401.406'
Fri Jun 28 13:06:41 PDT 2019
>url image name matches timestamp of OP's post.

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(cont'd)
I actually found it myself. Sorry for doubting you, user! It's just that so many others were wrong.

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32011R1169#d1e32-57-1
> the date shall consist of the day, the month and the year, in that order and in uncoded form

Someone should hit them with the "reasonable date standards should be used everywhere" clue bat and get them to revise this asswipe of a document.

What is S M L in this case, what the fuck is [1-12] (a list from 1-12? why does that have any place before or behind a slash division sign) and how does this make any sense in your mind?

and it's consistent with how we label time on every other scale.
yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss
the britfag system is legit retarded

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I live in europe and we use the third one.
Never ever have i used the first one, must be a british thing.

If it is years, they are not meaningfully ordered since meaningful standard order has bigger numbers on the left, same as with normal number notation.

And - is the standard separator as specified by ISO 8601, not /.

EU is comfy. I read from left to right and the thing i wanna know first is what day is it not what fucking year is it

If you want to know how many cents you need to grab first rather than how many Euro, where you look?

Bigger things are on the left of numbers, smaller things on the right.

>PDT

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Not technology.

It's like you almost figured out how the filenames are generated

Never knew about this. I have often wondered the same. Thanks for the info.

What a retarded justification
I hope Americans don't actually think this is a good reason to use their format

Do you say "it's June 28th, 2019", or "it's 2019, June 28th"?

Imagine using coins. Just use notes, if something costs 9.99 just pay them with a 10 euro note

What do you do for 2162.50?

Either way I wouldn't see a reason to reorder this number based on whether you expect someone to grab the cents or the notes first or put your biometric payment chip implant against a reader. It's just a normal ordering.

There is no reason to know the year first before the day or month
the majority of the time the year is already known and is redundant to list first

It's 28th of June 2019.

ISO 8601 is the best, it lets you sort shit easily.

>What do you do for 2162.50?
Card dumbass. What else would you do?

are you expecting me to believe that you'd pay 2162.50euros in notes and coins?

>European "logic"

Sure? I've done higher amounts than that in cash.

México

Fun fact: In PHP, The ISO 8601 format is actually not ISO 8601 but some non-standard format literally nobody else uses.
Instead, you should use DATE_ATOM.
php.net/manual/en/class.datetimeinterface.php#datetime.constants.iso8601

Thought I'd tell you, just in case you still had some respect left for that language for whatever reason.

Language is old. I'm now often to usually saying
> 2019, June 28th

Doesn't even flow badly. You insert that small comma break behind 2019 at this point to give people a second to adjust, pretty much solves the issue with people getting confused.

nice one, drug dealer. I pay everything with a card

>thinking that commas mean a pause
Top ignorance. This is what American education does to you.

> drug dealer
Drugs... wat? Is that the only thing you can imagine that you'd buy at this price or something?

> I pay everything with a card
Uh, amazing achievement & good for you?

Yeah, they kind of fucked up with expiration dates. I don't know why they decided to go with DMY.

European is fine, it's just not made for the digital age. It sort of mirrors the logic with names.
Consider, when a European identifies himself, he will first state his given name.
Back in the day, when most folk lived in villages of ~100 people and everyone knew each other, that was fine. But as communities got larger, a surname became necessary.
Basically, you would now start a conversation with "Hello, I am John". Then, in case the other person is not familiar with who you are, you would give your full name.

With dates, when written on paper, the most important thing is usually the specific day. After that, a record keeper or someone similar could look at the month or year.
It's only computers who have trouble with this because of the way they sort things.

It's typically pronounced as a brief pause and it is functionally a pause. Independently of what your grammar rules say about how you "correctly" place this shit.

Inb4 use phonetic notation.

YYYY/MM/DD (which is also used in Japan, not just Europe) is the best for naming files or folders and such. Using any other format would cause a dumb mess.

>Americans use mm/dd/yyyy
>Still call it "4th of July"

Freedom makes you retarded

They are still using imperial, for fucks sakes.

This. Finally a non-autist reply.

>Finally a non-autist reply.

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Yes Jow Forums sometimes forgets that people talk and deal with actual people in the outside world and not just a computer screen and binary logic.

Well implying that English is not the only language in Europe your statement is irrelevant because of the various grammatical structure in every other one.

> YYYY/MM/DD
No, use strictly YYYY-MM-DD

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

/ is not allowed in file names, so we use -. Or just use YYYYMMDD.

ISO 8601 is clearly the superlative date-time format, just as dd/mm/yyyy is clearly superior to the American nonsense. The former two have a consistent endian-ness.

We express dates as 28th June

>/ is not allowed in file names
Depends on the filesystem, but yes, I'm sure they considered this.

This is however not even about that at this point, we just have standardized on "-" and we don't need everyone to pick their own symbol as delimiter EVEN IF it could work on most filesystems. It is just -

American format = the javascript of date formats

that is not valid english

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Month day year.

We always say "Der 28 Juni". The other way around would be strange.

DD MMM YYYY is the only format that should ever be used since it never has any ambiguity

EU superior, with fields sorted by rate of change.
Anyone arguing ISO 8601 is better because "muh sorting" should an hero, radix sort is perfect for dates so it doesn't matter.

> MMM
Wat? Also what ambiguity do you have in standard ISO 8601?

MMM is a three letter abbreviation form month, such as 28 JUN 2019. ISO standard is ambiguous since no one uses it

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metric system is cool and all until you want to perfectly divide a base unit by anything other than 2 or 5. It's one of those things that sounds great if you're a fancy wig-wearing Frenchman in the enlightenment who spend all his time in theory land, but less cook if you need to build a house. Which is why tradesmen in many metric country still use customary units

>implying your preferred format is better than any other
I default to saying MM-DD-YYYY, especially in conversation; it's one less syllable I have to say and it rolls off the tongue with ease.

>ISO standard is ambiguous since no one uses it
Again, how is it ambiguous?

And you're wrong, this is widely used with computers and increasingly with documents now.

Celsius is as arbitrary as Fahrenheit. Use Kelvin.
>Which is why tradesmen in many metric country still use customary units
Which yuropoor country? Or are you talking about britbong ex-colonies?

>gets told how its ambiguous
>n-no ur wrong tell me again
until ANSI and ISO make good with standards and they become commonly accepted there is going to be ambiguity

> but less cook if you need to build a house
No fuck you - nobody, but nobody orders (say) sheets of MDF by saying "I want 3/4" sheets" unless they are 50 years old - you would be quoted for 18mm. Screws are semi-interchangeable until you hit really tiny (and specialised sizes). Timber is bought per metre.

No fuck you i'm not gonna get a 3 3/8" x 10 woodscrew - you are getting a goddamn 90x5mm and you are going to like it. Anything beyond a typical woodscrew is entirely metric.

28th of june is the way i always heard

>metric system is cool and all until you want to perfectly divide a base unit by anything other than 2 or 5.
Wat? 2/3 meter is also metric. Works perfectly.

And you can take a thousand of these and then you have 2/3 kilometers rather than some ridiculous conversion to yards or whatever else.

I think your brain is just completely missing the point of SI "metric".

Well if you sort them alphanumerically (like in archives), they don't make sense.

Japan, Norway, Czech Republic, etc..

>gets told how its ambiguous
No! You missed the "how" part. Which is what I was asking.

There are only two reasons for year-month-day to exist: alphabetical sorting and avoiding ambiguity when communicating with burgers.

This is peak autism.

try to perfectly measure 1/3 of a meter, it's always an approximation

no u

God
Bless
America

Context is a wonderful thing - you on;y need a certain level of accuracy given manufacturing and installation tolerances. Its why no matter what those goddamn bricklayers will tell you that structural opening for your door is not exactly 1010mm wide and as such between the frame and door itself you will allow for a few millimetres (3mm is actually a reasonable number) of tolerance. Having to get more precise than that in typical construction scenarios is simply not needed and going imperial would not change that fact. Precision engineering is a different beast entirely.

Well yea, because ultimately you have quantum uncertainty.

Above that, you can measure / cut / design 1/3 of a meter if you have precise enough devices, and it's uniquely defined. There is no problem with this.

We could argue if base 12 might be better than base 10, but NOT having a base is clearly retarded and for "most widespread number notation" reasons we settled on base 10. Although we did also did basically base 2 now.

No argument? Well then, ISO 8601 is unambiguous and just what you should generally use.

>Norway
Maybe among tradesmen, but as a customer, or when shopping for tools/materials, everything is metric here.
>Czechia
Everything is metric there, except land which is still measured in hectares but that's metric anyway.

The transition is not entirely complete. I also hope some derived SI units die the fuck out soon.

That still *doesn't* make it ambiguous which system is better. We just still need to kill the old really crappy units entirely.

What the fuck is it with you Yuroautists and making off-topic threads about American bullshit. Take this shit back to Jow Forums or Jow Forums