Wayland sucks shit hole.
>Fedora 31 is going full gayland
>Once we are done with this we expect X.org to go into hard maintenance mode fairly quickly. The reality is that X.org is basically maintained by us and thus once we stop paying attention to it there is unlikely to be any major new releases coming out and there might even be some bitrot setting in over time.
blogs.gnome.org
Why is it wayland runs like total shit in a vm?
wayland won. your fud is pointless.
i'm currently on wayland and i have troubles with switching keyboard layout. no screen tearing though, and sway is a bit more comfortable than i3.
XTARDS SEETHING
>cons:
>breaks awesome wm
>breaks games
>adds an extra compatibility layer to every application which decreases performance
>pros:
>???
>it's new so it's better
no thank you.
>12 fucking years in the development
>still not ready
im xorg maintainer but the person lies and news.ycombinator.com
i will not maintain and move wayland
what is wayland necessary i can implement send me message
>awesome wm
contribute to way cooler if you want to have awesome on wayland
>games
blame novidya for their shit business practces
>adds an extra compatibility layer to every application which decreases performance
lol wut?
I predicted this ever since tech-illiterates campaigned against PulseAudio and then Systems.
The transition to Wayland will be, by far, more disruptive than either of those too. There will be so much autism when Firefox and others go Wayland-only.
We need to put Xfags in a camps.
>lol wut?
xwayland
openBSD forking xorg and unfucking it for good in
3....
2....
1....
They don't have the manpower
xwayland should perform exactly the same as x11 because it's literally just the x server
if you want to make it so xwayland isn't necessary then get started porting your old outdated gtk2 and qt4 programs now
the extremely slow progress being made on that kind of proves his point that they don't have the manpower
>DUDE JUST PORT EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM IN EXISTENCE LMAO
>"why what benefits are there?"
>umm.. slightly better security? lol
FUCK OFF WAYLANDFAGS
dude, its ded
better performance and security and less code bloat is absolutely a reason to port your programs
gtk3 and qt5 also have many other new features and bug fixes so wayland isn't the only reason you should port
Wayland still doesn't support screen sharing.
wayland doesn't support shit because it sucks dick
not-a-bug
t. Poettering
bro not everyone who wants to use linux programs
>there's like most features missing, but you have to switch faggot!!!11
lack of screen sharing makes Wayland/Linux unusable for people with careers
Time to kill this thread.
drewdevault.com
Is there a way to change the refresh rate like you can with xrandr and Xorg? Until then I'm stuck with X.
Does wayland has xf86-synaptics? No?
It doesn't werk on my machine then, since libinput is garbage.
X.org is better
Wayland is legit sending the linux desktop back 10 years. They need to go back and work on it for another 3-5 years. Until it's a drop in replacement the average user can switch without even noticing whats happened then it's not ready.
If Wayland becomes the standard - I'm buying pic related. Yes, buying, freetards.
Gayland is shit
Gaylandfags fuck off
Based and redpilled.
Also, for all the ricer autists who think Wayland is only meant for/can only be used with big bloated desktop environments like GNOME or KDE,
swaywm.org
I already setup a dualboot for win10/linux seeing the shit canonical and redhat are trying to kill it. My win 7 cd key still worked on win 10.
What the fuck win 10 didn't recognize my wifi drivers but linux worked out of the box. I always heard linux wifi drivers sucked ass.
buy a mac
>it’s not a line-for-line carbon copy of my baby duck syndrome so it’s bad
My awesome-wm setup is configured PERFECTLY for me. I don't want to switch to some other wm for NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER. Literally why would I want to break my whole workflow and spend hours adjusting to something different which is inferior? And for what? Fucking nothing.
I had that shit. Still would be better than Wayland.
Yes, Windows requires you installing drivers, but at least I can tweak touchpad there to work. Unlike wayland, where you have to dive deep into shitcode trying to figure how the fuck libinput interacts with hardware, and where you can tweak fucking virtual buttons size.
Tech-illiterate memers.
You literally don't even know what Wayland is.
Why would a protocol implement screen-sharing? It's not a display server. Display servers can do that.
>If you guys don't do what I say I'm going to throw my money, my privacy, and my freedom into a fire!
We don't care.
Oy-wayland is shit.
Xorg is shit, but it at least works.
>Still would be better than Wayland.
Realy? Wayland is modeled Quartz/xQuartz.
Wayland Compositors even interface similarly to how the Aqua Compositor works.
Even screen-recording and input-managers are handled in Wayland like Quartz.
>CoreAudio/PulseAudio
>launchd/systemd
>quartz/wayland
Everything non-programmers on Jow Forums hate comes from Apple.
My nerves are much more expensive than soldering a switch on microphone and webcam.
>Realy?
Yes. Touchpad there works, thanks to Apple needful programmers configuring it properly.
Can you take screenshots under Wayland?
That's a strawman.
>Rust
>Was not designed to emulate Awesome, but instead has i3 tiling
red hat fucking ruined linux
IBM/RedHat
FTFY
>needful
I hate Indians because they're ugly and backwards muslim rape offspring.
That said, meme-spouting idiots like you are fuckign annoying. Go back to your Redgagit.
Yeah, okay retard. Come back when you actually use ALSA and RC instead of memeing about something you have zero knowledge of or experience with.
>he dislikes wayland
>he thinks he’s smarter than redhat
Ok neet
nothing wrong with rust, you should contribute if you want development to go faster
Is this a joke? SURELY something as basic as adjusting refresh rate would be trivial to do.
Indians probably program better, than anyone here.
I would prefer pajeet code over tranny code any time, since they actually went through insane competition between other pajeets before using "muh diversity", compared to trannies.
That is not my fault they don't want my touchpad to work there.
It is not bug, so they won't fix it.
If you've already dove into the code then submit your patch now, no one is holding you back.
Soldering a switch onto the microphone and webcam won't make windows give you privacy or freedom.
>pulseaudio was pushed by redhat
>everyone finally switched to pulseaudio
>redhat is starting to push pipewire to replace pulseaudio
Why is redhat like this?
>he thinks he’s smarter than redhat
Literally this. You get some retards with aspergers, like Luke Smith, who put a few shell commands in a file or write a couple 1000 lines of C for a class and they think they're an authority on how NodeJS and Rust are bad.
Same with suckless users, guaranteed to have never worked on an actual programming project.
First intelligent comment.
>I would prefer pajeet code over tranny code any time
I literally do not care who makes the program.
I'm not like you memers that won't use FreeBSD because "tranny project" or whatever gay shit you non-programmers say because it's the only way you can even differentiate between the projects.
Indians and transtards write plenty of poor code, by the way.
I know GNOME can do it natively. Here's the main problem with Wayland: what DM are you using?
meant WM
They're literally working to get Wayland working on their OS, just check the ports. Only big issue right now is libinput from what I remember.
>If you've already dove into the code then submit your patch now, no one is holding you back.
I haven't done this is code, since:
- wayland is resource hog for some reason
- I have no intention to support people, that are removing features. (synaptics: config file, edit it and boom, touchpad on $300 laptop works like Apple one. libinput (wayland): I guess you have to edit this shit deep inside the code of libinput, which requires understanding how shit works, which was not necessary in case of synaptics).
>Soldering a switch onto the microphone and webcam won't make windows give you privacy or freedom.
Sure, but it won't let NSA see me fapping to trap porn.
I think that pajeets are better than trannies at coding. At least they won't get suicidally sad after show boob joke. I mean, it is easier to learn Hindi, than control jokes.
Gayland can't run FVWM, the most powerful window manager in the world
That was the old version dipshit.
>synaptics: config file, edit it and boom, touchpad on $300 laptop works like Apple one
>libinput (wayland): I guess you have to edit this shit deep inside the code of libinput, which requires understanding how shit works, which was not necessary in case of synaptics).
Libinput is the default on X11 now and has been for years. Your xsession handles input directly, it's not global any longer.
If you want to set it globally then you just edit
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf
It doesn't have same features.
It doesn't allow to change anything. I need to adjust sensitivity and area, but no, I can't.
In synaptics it is easy.
Yeah, I'm sure those bastards at Redhat "broke" it just to spite you personally
Hm... Looks like they had finally added those settings.
Still RH are niggers, since they support Gnome.
This. Love how anons on Jow Forums seem to always assume malicious intent
>Is this a joke? SURELY something as basic as adjusting refresh rate would be trivial to do.
Until the Guhnome devs decide you don't need that feature NOTABUGWONTFIX, then you are fucked
GNOME. I know I can change the refresh rate using the settings menu. The main problem is doing it via a script when I start mpv like I can with xrandr.
>breaks awesome wm
Hahahaha.
It breaks BSPWM, because external keyboard daemons are literally impossible and are "security threat".
Fuck Wayland.
>literally impossible
Read the thread. Wayland isn't a display server.
Apple's Quartz is modeled the same exact way and it provides the functionality so you're wrong.
>"security threat".
The same way Mac does it, you explicitly enable the program as a helper and it's allowed to to do what it needs to do. Wayland is capable of the same thing.
I guess you read something a Jow Forums tard wrote out of context and believed it like a retard. Now other retards will read your post and repeat it too.
You can use a D-Bus interface to change it. I don't remember the exact command but it should be in here somewhere github.com
Pretty shit, I know. Using GNOME with Wayland isn't worth it until they make the shell properly threaded anyway (try going into the application drawer and move your mouse around while scrolling). If any part of GNOME lags you're going to lose inputs.
>Read the thread. Wayland isn't a display server.
Sure, it's shit where every criticism is deflected by
>It's just a protocol, bro
Or
>It's insecure, bro
Or
>Nobody uses that anyway, start posting, bro
In the end it's still incomplete mess that has the very barest minimum of functionality and is a fucking wet dream of GNOME devs, as it forces everyone into "walled gardens" and limits the choice excessively.
>Wayland is capable too
Call me when it a dually can do that and not just "capable".
X got much better after Xorg, it's not quite the pushover those various talks indicated
You seriously have no idea about what X11 nor what Wayland is.
You think Wayland is a program that you run on your computer.
I bet you hate systemd too, don't you.
uhmmm.. FVWM doesn't support wayland, the new display server protocol.