What happened to the graphene meme?

Note 7 Grenades were a success

this year, this year for sure!

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>still nothing

uhm, perhaps next year?

infrastructure and new technology that's vastly different from old technology is hard to understand and does not create immediate returns on investment
wall street is basically mount stupid
you do the math

As long as tehy can sell us their old stuff nobody cares to give out new products.
Take a look at german automobiles.
Two years ago everybody had told me that a electric car is not producebal and not practicable and soo on.
Now the market changes and they have some problems and tadaaa the electric car is there .
Wait for an real economic crisis and you will see magic products coming out from nowhere.
Same shit every some decades....

People are working hard in the labs and talk less. At least the patenting activity has increased dramatically. Patent application publishing:

Publication Dates
Name No
2018 12,146
2017 10,014
2016 6,443
2015 4,264
2014 4,095
2019 2,894
2013 2,383
2012 2,003
2011 1,101
2010 476
So we have a doubling every two years or so.

graphene is a material that relies on its physical structure for all of its advantages and its not durable at all as well as expensive to produce. it's pretty much the worst case scenario for an engineering goal even though it is 'cheap to produce' because its made of carbon

people's expectations for what we can accomplish with graphene are kind of ridiculous and even more optimistic than the original projections for cheap electronics fairchild came up with when they figured out that they could use silicon instead of germanium. the thing is - at least silicon chips are physically and chemically stable in atmospheric conditions

people didn't start buying electronic cars because of some breakthrough in technology, they started buying electric cars because the federal government offers a ridiculous tax break if you buy one. their range still hasn't improved beyond city driver level and there is no economic crisis to push people to buy electric cars, gas is like $2.30 a gallon and you'll be hard pressed to find a car nowdays that doesn't get at least 30 miles per gallon. buying an electric car is a dumber idea now that its ever been in the past - its a testament to how influential tax breaks are on people's purchasing decisions and long term planning

>$2.30 a gallon
>$0.6 a litre
>$0.6 equals to 5.65 swedish cuckbux
>mfw we pay 17SEK ($1.8 per litre or $6.8 per gallon)
I hate this cucked hellhole

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on one hand i live in missouri, the state with the lowest taxes on gasoline. but, on the other hand, that is the price of premium gas, not 87 octane

I think there's a conspiracy done by the LCD display manufacturers. They are making so much money quite effortlessly with LCD's that they don't want a new technology to disrupt their business.

Basically, they realized that carbon is just one promising material.
Now they are also trying other materials.

Also, they found out that stacking sheets with a specific offset of just a few degrees allows them to gain even weirder properties, apparently including room temperature superconduction.
As this is a new field of research, it will take a while to bear fruit.

So basically, it's coming along but will still need a decade before it's ready. Creating graphene sheets has gotten easier but it's still not perfect.
They finally found a way to make it a good superconductor, but they just started researching this method.
Also, there's a fuckload of other materials competing, including non-2D materials that are being tested for properties when stacked with an offset.

It's not a meme, just an unintuitive topic. We'll likely reach a tipping point in a few years where we know enough about graphene to actually predict its properties enough for an explosion in applications.

This, however, pisses me off to no end.
Also, what happened to e-ink fitness trackers/smart watches? Why would people switch to watches that don't have always-on displays?

And again the free market keeps us in stasis.

E-ink at 60 Hz and with color would revolutionize the world. It would kill eye strain over night and make us all healthier.

That's what i think, but didn't say it.
Capitalism =/= technological advancement in many cases.

>e-ink smart watches
i love my amazfit bip. it's not very ""smart"" but I get 30 days of battery life

I just want a stable platform with good health measurement algorithms, easy USB syncing to a local device and an API for adding apps/watch faces.

Is that too much asked? I'd even pay a premium for that kind of stuff.

Graphene can do everything except leave the lab as they say.

e-ink's serious refresh rate issues due to ghosting means its only real application is e-readers and they are not fashion accessories that people buy new every year. there is a much, much smaller market cap on those devices and there isn't enough money in it to spur much advancement.

this isn't a problem with capitalism its a problem with where the R&D priorities are in major electronics manufacturers

E-ink is perfectly viable for a clock that updates once a minute.
I would know, I'm currently building an e-ink alarm clock. And I don't have the luxury of using quality e-paper with fast partial refresh rates like the one in my Kobo.
A refresh every five seconds is easily possible, which is enough for a clock and some kind of notification display as well as some additional data.

they'd be pretty nice in lots of commercial signage as well
why spend 200W to keep a mostly-static ad visible in a well-lit area?

Banned for sale in the US

It's less eye-catching, but frontlighting would fix that.

I'm pretty sure that with a few billions threw into e-ink, the refresh rate and ghosting would have been solved years ago.
For some reasons, Samsung, LG, Sony and co. aren't interested in having a new superior technology in the display market.
They spend billions in research and development for retard smartphone design, and 40 megapixel camera on your phone, like it's absolutely essential to take very good pictures with your phone.
However, nobody seems interested in a revolutionary technology like e-ink.

shut up you piece of shit

fix what? i'm arguing that in most cases, places with poster-ads are well-lit areas anyway, so an e-ink display would work fine with no power usage, as opposed to a backlit LCD, which requires a fair chunk of power to be clearly visible in well-lit areas

to be clear, i mean things like these

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>retard smartphone design
Can you even call "form a brick of glass, then put on some flourishes" design?

E-Ink doesn't need to be everywhere, but it's certainly got more applications than just e-readers with really bad operating systems.

What I'm saying is that backlight LCD catches the eye even in brightly lit areas. It pops out of the background.

>E-Ink doesn't need to be everywhere
Honestly why not? It is way more energy efficient than LCD, doesn't suffer from sun exposure at all (in fact the image is even better outside, in opposition to LCD), and for the eyes, the impact is literally like watching paper.

Sounds like y'all should start an E-ink company if there's money to be made

grant chasing

i've seen e-ink displays before, but i think it'd be another thing entirely to see one playing full-motion video
they're so slow atm that it's more like flipping book pages than full on harry potter newspapers

There are companies like Dasung, they are crowdfunded, and release usable products, however, they only have a few hundred thousands dollars of funds at disposal. It's already an achievement to make functional products with less than a million dollar.
Imagine what could be done with a few billions dollars (money from companies like LG, Sony, Samsung, Lenovo etc...).

>Imagine what could be done with a few billions dollars (money from companies like LG, Sony, Samsung, Lenovo etc...)
If it would be better for them they would have done it by now.

Quit your Capi-Socialism

>doesn't suffer from sun exposure at all
UV light disrupts the refresh process. You need a separate UV filter to prevent that.
No idea whether the filter would degrade after a while and cause the screen's upper layer to become opaque.

>If it would be better for them they would have done it by now.
>for them
We aren't talking about artificial creatures that subside on money, we are talking about the people that buy products from these creatures.

And companies which need to research, produce, and sell those products. Do you think a country with tablets already in hand will fall for your marketing pitch? Then go make it, but those larger companies with the funds you need aren't making that pitch which is why they still have funds for you to need

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>If it would be better for them they would have done it by now.
I think they don't do it (financing heavily e-ink), because they already make a shit-ton of money from LCDs.
The logic must be like, if business is good, why take any risks?

>The logic must be like, if business is good, why take any risks?
Because business is good?

Normies don't even know about e-inks.
However, those who have a kindle Dx or other large e-ink displays know how awesome a full color, high refresth e-ink monitor display would be. Way better than this recent $6000 Macintosh display with it's $1000 stand.

Ok, and like I said, go out and market it. Best of luck to you

>implying e-paper is a competition to tablets
Stay retarded, goy.

There's patents, so we can't.

>There are companies like Dasung, they are crowdfunded, and release usable products
What products are they releasing?

About the picture, who made the machines the Capitalist "paid" and "owns"? Workers. Who made the raw goods he bought, ship them, repair them, etc...? Workers.
Yet the Capitalist say it's "him" who do this. The machines are "his", and he "own" the product.
It is as absurd as saying that in the slavery mode of production, the slave master "did" the work. He "owned" the product, because he "owned" the slave.

It was not the topic of this thread, and it's not the appropriate board, but i'll say it anyway: Capitalism is a retard mode of production.

>who made the machines the Capitalist "paid" and "owns"? Workers.
Why did the workers make the machines? Because they were given wages in exchange for their labor at whatever rate the worker agreed on.
>Who made the raw goods he bought, ship them, repair them, etc...? Workers.
Why did those workers make the raw goods and ship them? Because they were being paid a wage to do so that they agreed upon.

companies all the time don't invest in innovations that would not only be profitable, but be a benefit to people. It's a big part of the history of fucking technology companies. The incentive of a large corporation is to maintain its stranglehold on the market. There are easier ways of doing that than innovating and making things people want. Prescription Drugs cost 1000% more in the US because three drug companies, make any new drug manufacturer, pay at least hundreds of thousands in fees for "testing"(all done through the FDA of course). Making it so that only those companies can afford to put out any new drugs, keeping their parasitic existence going. Go bootlick somewhere else

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Sounds like a lot of words for "I need the government to tell other people to do what I want"

Labor, the the only thing on the market (and the only thing in general) which can create value on it's own. Nothing else can. The aim of the capitalist is to absorb this surplus value.

>The aim of the capitalist is to absorb this surplus value.
No shit, and he does that through the willing labor of workers who may not be able to afford the millions needed to invest in a factory but still wants to absorb some of the surplus value produced by the machines for his own benefits.

>who made the machines the Capitalist "paid" and "owns"?
>implying anyone involved in the production of something has full rights to it for all time regardless of agreements made about labor and transfer of ownership

the government tells people to do what property owners want. without the government there would be no police to enforce patents and other property laws that allow a minority of people to live on the backs of the majority.

>Trusts
>Free market
It's closer to the communism than anything.

What happened to the cars without wheels meme?

>dude get tape, use pencil and get graphene!
It was a scam

Breakaway civilisation'd

It's very difficult to make graphene in a cost efficient way, especially at scale. Until someone figures out a way to make the process scalable and profitable it won't happen.

Just wait another 5 years, user. You'll see.

>"Cheap to produce because it's made of carbon"
That's like saying that Processors are cheap to produce because they are made of silicon

Big mistake in believing that IP laws are free market friendly. Patent laws are an obscene violation of your property rights.
>let me build something with my labor and my materials
>oh no, it's patented so I can't sell it or use it if I don't want to go to jail
>this means someone else is the owner of my property, without ever entering into contract with me!?!
how is any of the above in any way free market capitalism?

I just want a low power hiking map device with full colour e-ink.

The same that will happen to the AI meme.
It exists, and it's always 1 year away from changing your life, but it never does.

These are all garbage, that's why. Poor colors and insane response time even by e-reader standards. There's also no market for it, people reading books don't need color so what is it going to show, comics?

You dumb fucks don't realise that none of the tech you hold in your hands or have on your desks is new. All of the underlying, revolutionary inventions that made your toys possible are DECADES old.

Gas is more expensive than that in most of America.

Teslas have a 300 mile range and, unlike the Nissan Leaf, the battery actually holds over years of charging.

Even if gas was $2.30 where you live, an electric will still get better mileage/dollar.

This is wrong, the companies making the color displays have no incentive to just go bankrupt, and the companies like Amazon that are buying their products cannot replace e-ink displays with LCDs so there is no real competition in the first place.

I use graphene batteries in my quadcopter, they're low grade graphene but the difference in power delivery and charge/discharge rate is astonishing. Charge at 3-5x the rate of standard lithium polymer batteries, discharge without power sag until you use the whole mAh capacity

those exists but people ended up being too retarded to use them

>"I'm selling billions of products around the world every year"
>"I'm lucky to pocket a few pennies after all my expenses"
>He gets 25$ but I only get a few pennies even with all my factories
>"YOU HIPPY" don't you dare request for more pennies from me.
>I only make pennies, I can't afford to give you a raise.
>I OWN those pennies.
>GET OUT MY FACTORY
>*walks away grumbling to himself about the cost of pennies*
>proceeds to rummage through left pocket full of pennies
>the exact frequency of 13.1 kHz pennies make when crashing into eachother is soothing and therapeutic to him
>while sifting through the pennies in his pocket, some spagghetti falls out
>slips and falls on it.
>a mix of pennies and spagghetti crashes on the ground, the pennies fly everywhere.
>"OH NO!!! Those greedy braggarts will try to steal them from me" Looks around in fear and rage.
>"WHAT ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT, GET TO WORK NOW!"
>spends the next 37 minutes and 48 seconds chasing after each penny, he had earlier counted 267 of them
>"but what if I miscounted"
>searches some more.
>goes back to the spagghetti on the floor. Picks it up, puts it back in his pockets.
>Those things cost pennies
>walks away while nibbling frugally on the final meatball from the ground.

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I'm not saying a conspiracy against, but a lack of trying, even if it would be profitable.

what happen the silicon meme

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Boomers running the graphite mines are creating a bottleneck due to their unwillingness to test and grade their graphite for the graphene industry. Also, it's a bitch to create it in bulk

pennychaser triggered.
>flicks a nickel in front of a moving train. oops.

Startups are perfectly capable of producing this technology, though.

It's much more likely that the technology is of limited use and has little, if any future.

>meme
It's fundamental science. Kids with ADHD who expect everything immediately will have to wait.

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Its making its way into consumer shits while you are not paying attention. Graphene thermal pads are relevant for new computer builders now. It even overclocks decently on them. With temperature range within the standard paste temps.

>willing
you do realize capitalism only got started when people were driven off their ancestral lands and pushed into cities where they could either work for whatever the capitalists would pay them or starve to death.
if your alternatives are wage slavery or starvation it's not a fucking choice

Is graphene at least used for filters? Heard it has pretty amazing properties in that regard.

I thought that was one of its biggest selling point too, especially in fucked non developed areas.