Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). >R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value >R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs >R9 3900X/3950X - High end; highest FPS
>Intel CPUs are now defunct. Even used i7 workstations are no longer worthwhile due to vulnerabilities and related performance regression
RAM: >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks is the only recommendation for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660 - higher fps or for more demanding games >RX 5700 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games >RX 5700 XT - Higher framerates >2080ti - Highest possible frames, but poor value 2160p (4K) >5700 XT Overclocked - budget option >RTX 2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive OpenGL on Windows >Nvidia
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING imgur.com/a/RTbKAxD >AM4 VRM listing: imgur.com/a/U6QXBbh >Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important >A 256GB+ SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >NVMe do not give faster boot/load times than a fast SATA SSD >"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work >Don't use Speccy
not that guy, but (and this question is directed at you necessarily, just in general) whats the sitch with updates? Does a bootleg copy like this mean I'm stuck with win10 as of apr2019 for the rest of eternity? (I'm real, real dumb, sorry)
(posted is last thread but i'll post it here in the new one too)
William Bailey
Not so much a gaming question, but if I do photo and video editing/rendering, is the 3600 still good enough or would it be worth it to bump up?
How good is 3400g going to be go for poorfags like myself? I'm thinking of the CPU in particular if I upgrade to a better GPU in 1 years time when Ampere/Big Navi comes out and current gen budget GPUs like 1660 Ti should be rock-bottom prices.
Michael Fisher
I'm a retard and posted this in the last thread as it was dying. I've never posted in one of these threads before so I apologize in advance if I break some sort of board culture rule or anything like that. Please tell me if I'm stupid. >Budget: Roughly $2000, willing to spend a little more or a little less >Parts List: pcpartpicker.com/list/xD4FQZ >Gaming, programming, reading Jow Forums >Monitor is for gaming but I don't really know if 4K and extremely high refresh rates would be worth the money
The new xbox gamepass is easily the best game subscription service out there. Has stuff actually worth playing like MCC. 3 months of it is coming with some of the new and existing AMD parts, too.
When comparing a $200 processor a $330 one, using stock RAM speeds for both makes sense. If it were a 3800X comparison, they should use the same RAM for both.
Aaron Robinson
>placa de vídeo >not tarjeta gráfica Anyway, I live in Spain and it's already 7/7 here and Amazon still doesn't have Ryzen 3000 listed, do we have to wait for a "global 7/7"? Like, when it is 7/7 in America too and such. Also, I picked up a X470 Aorus 7 something for 230€. I want to reach 3733 CL17, will that mobo be able to do that with RAM already rated for that?
Anthony Martin
No, I used the crack instead of my old Windows 7 cd key (only worked up to LTSB 2016) and I get system updates just fine. It's just less hassle if recent updates are baked into the install.
xbox.com/en-US/xbox-game-pass/pc-games >System Requirements >OS Windows 10 (v. 1903 or higher required for many games) >Windows 10 Enterprise 2019 LTSC equivalent Windows 10, Version 1809 If game pass is vital I guess you can search forums for newer debloated versions of Windows 10.
They're listed, just not in the search. Go to any amd product and hit the little AMD under the product name and it will take you to their products page. All Zen 2 chips and Radeon cards are listed, they just don't let you buy them yet. I'm constantly refreshing
Jackson Cruz
Depends on what resolution you're working with. The higher, the more cores and threads you'll need
Jason Bailey
>I want to reach 3733 CL17, will that mobo be able to do that with RAM already rated for that? Gigabyte has the worst memory compatibility. Unless they have a good BIOS update, maybe not.
>no MCC on PC why lie?
Nicholas Brown
While I was playing Insurgency Sandstorm today I got pissed and slammed my mouse (Corsair M65 ELITE) against my mouse pad. I've done this a few times before and it didn't break and the mouse itself is built very well so I figured it would take just one slam no problem but I was completely wrong. This seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back and when I slammed it all I heard was the Windows disconnecting sound. I tried unplugging it and plugging it back in, didn't work. Fiddled around with the cable, didn't work. Reset my PC, didn't work. I even tried slamming it again to see if it would undo itself, didn't work. Now I'm filled with regret and am sure something inside the mouse itself came loose or something because that's the last thing I can think of. I can't replace it via warranty nor do I feel like spending $40 on a new one so is there any way I could take the mouse apart and fix it myself? I looked everywhere on the mouse and the only place I think I can see screws is in the 3 spots where the 3 weights go but I'm not sure if those are even screws. Am I better off just buying a new one?
Dylan Ross
nigga you been living under the biggest rock ever?
Jordan Ortiz
2133mhz is all you need :^)
Samuel Allen
you probably damaged the board in the mouse retard, learn some self-control and buy a new mouse
Bump ram down to 16 GB if you so please, but soon enough 32 GB is going to be the new standard. Wait for 2060 Super on 7/9.
Stick with 3600 and with cooler of choice or upgrade to 3600x/3700x.
1TB NVMEs are cheap now.
Case is personal preference, but don't overspend.
Ryder Hernandez
has anyone been in the same boat before? t-they'll release soon, right?
Daniel Hall
I do pro video work for a living so at least 1080p, often 4k, but I don't do much at home. is it just a matter of speed though (assuming you've got proper cooling)? like the extra cores will reduce a render by 10-20%? Or are we talking like.. 300%
Blake Price
good to know, thanks user
Cameron Edwards
Zen 2 listed in Best Buy's site. Can't buy them, though.
Tasks like video editing are heavily dependent on the amount of cores and threads as opposed to the speed of those cores and threads. The 3700X would definitely be an improvement in those workloads, but if you wanted the renders to be blazing fast then obviously something like the 3900X would be amazing for it. As for exact performance metrics, I don't know, since benchmarks aren't out yet. But generally more cores and threads = faster renders.
Jason Wood
>3600 for video edit >I do pro video work for a living speaking about proper cooling for 65W cpu
I guess it'll just come down to the costs. I'm not trying to pay double for a cpu if its only going to boost a render speed by 20%, if it were my workstation at the office that can sometimes be rendering practically nonstop all day thats a different story, but my personal PC at home only will render a vid here and there. Meh its probably not worth it unless a 3700x only costs like 20% more. (Just pulling numbers out of my ass but you get my point)
Dylan Lewis
If it's a poorfag choice.. I think it's actually pretty fine.
Luis Cruz
watch more videos and learn more youtube.com/watch?v=97-oagzamaQ getting a GPU upgrade is fairly easy: you take out your old one, slot in the new one, and you're done getting a CPU upgrade could potentially mean that you need to upgrade your mobo and subsequently your entire system. Thus, always prioritise getting a good mobo and CPU if you want your system to be upgradeable for longer. Some mobos also come with inbuilt wifi, so consider that too. consider waiting until you're able to purchase an x570 board, and also a ryzen 7 3800x and above. 8 cores are going to be the focus for the new generation of titles. Look up the newest PS and Xbox; you'll see that devs will cater to the CPUs/GPUs for those if you're going to be spending more than 1500 on your system, get a better SSD size also consider if you want to just get the best single-core performance out there today (i9-9900k). This is if you want to get purely gaming performance. If your focus isn't purely gaming then AMD's top of the line, the 3900x, will probably be a better choice in terms of multi-threaded performance spend a little more and get a good 27" 1440p monitor if you want to do work more than game. You probably won't regret it if you avoid cheaping out on your monitor, since you'll likely have it outlast your other components. not completely related: consider getting a good soundcard/amp/audio interface if you want to use headphones in future and as others have said consider getting a key off one of the online sites for windows 10 keys. You can also just install and use windows as is without a license but there's an annoying watermark in the corner when you're in desktop and you can't change the wallpaper. These are probably not a concern for you if you're spending so much, but if you save here you can spend elsewhere
in short: 8 core CPU better mobo for future upgradeability better graphics card, consider super or 2080 get a great monitor
Jason Miller
you dont think a corsair hydro 120mm liquid cooler would be enough?
Aiden Lee
It scales linearly though, it's not like game performance. With 2 more cores and 4 more threads you would probably see a greater increase than 20% compared to the 3600. Wait for benchmarks, but I would definitely consider getting something higher end if you're editing videos, especially at 4K.
Jacob Taylor
samefag speaking to a person, who claim doing video work in 2019 for a living and still not have 6core cpu.
Angel Hall
>1809 so no AMD kernel optimization. Gonna have to downgrade to Pro. Fuck MS.
Parker Foster
Prime Overlord Bezos has his page set similarly
Cooper Hall
video rendering is an "embarrassingly parallel" task that scales well up to 64 cores.
That is to say, 8 cores @ 4GHz will render almost exactly twice as fast as 4 cores @ 4GHz. Can also easily eat up 64GB of RAM at 4k or 8K, and make use of a scratch disk. That's why a lot of video producers make use of a 16 or 32 core machine.
Luis Clark
who else is buying at 9am pick up at store
Luke Davis
I don't go outside. I hired an escort to pick it up for me. Afterwards, she is going to dress as Lisa Su to have sex with me.
Aiden Hughes
Well, then which high end x470 mobo would you recommend? All the others are around that price if not less (Amazon warehouse).
Jordan Edwards
Are you retarded or just a nigger? Or both?
Gavin Nelson
expect to get the cheapest ryzen 1200 on the shelves
Christopher Morales
>120mm liquid cooler i don't even know why these exist
its not samefag you retard why would I come to an advice thread and then talk to my own self. also, I have an 8-core FX-8350 from like 6 yrs ago. Also just fyi, doing 'video work' doesnt mean editing. I'm the shooter but I like to be involved in the post production when I can be
hmmm.... well maybe it would be worth the extra scratch to bump up. might actually do that
Kayden Diaz
more surface area, more heat transfer?
David Hughes
Get a 500gb SSD instead of 250. You will want your favorite games or games with long loading times to be on the SSD.
Don't buy 2700x CPU until seeing benchmarks for the new gen and comparing values.
Jason Stewart
>120mm >more the fuck? Shit's worse than a midrange $35 air cooler
Ryan Reyes
a 120 mm rad doesn't have more surface area than most air coolers unless your are comparing it to an intel stock cooler
Dominic Adams
>video work for a living do yourself a favour and get at least 8 core, even with stock cooler it will do better than 3600 with aftermarket cooler (avoid aio water coolers, very bad performance for price)
only applies to gpus
Ethan Campbell
About the BIOS thing. I am using 2700X so not sure related or not. Yesterday I bought two 3000MHz ram adding the my two 2666MHz ram memory setup. Checked all ram are single rank and thought it will be okay to run at 2666 at all ram. (4 Single rank ram run at most 2933 for Zen+) It turn out all run at 2133MHz. I thought the BIOS can't recongised the new ram at higher speed so I go to UEFI and change the XMP profile from auto to manual and chose 2666MHz and now all ram are running at 2666MHz.
Joseph Thomas
like the rest of his configuration is OK > 2x 4GB 2133 memory $80 (for a 2700x win10) > and $100 speaker system
Nolan Jones
So that oems like alienware can claim their PCs have 'liquid cooling' It's technically still the pre-launch period so I wouldn't worry too much
Noah Hernandez
what CPU to pair with an RX 5700 XT?
Jaxon Bell
intcel 8700k or zen 2 3600/3700x/3900x
Ethan Robinson
For 1440p, the 3600 should surely be enough. For 1080p, dunno. Might want to go for the 3700X or 3900X. Wait for reviews. Also depends on what you play. If it's something super CPU demanding like KCD or Star Citizen, then obviously you need at least 8c/16t if not more at any resolution.
Luis Torres
do we have all x570 prices yet? what are the cheapest boards and how do they compare to their x470 priced counterpart?
Chase Collins
here's what i'm looking for in a PC case -good airflow -no rhb -black/dark grey (optional glass/see-through side) -silent(optional) any recommendations?
The biggest issue is the shitty new BIOS's. MSI's new layout sucks and lacks finesse in things like fan curves etc.
Camden Watson
have a great weekend, user and remember that it's your PC, so it's up to you how you want it
Lucas Baker
I know Reddit is hated here, but you should go on old.reddit.com/r/buildapcforme or r/buildmeapc and ask them for their thoughts. They can be economical/effective with their suggestions.
Bentley Price
>cheapest dual ethernet board is $370 Maybe ASRock will have a cheaper one with dual ethernet, but fuck I'm not surprised. guess I'm not upgrading board then. That's the only thing I'd upgrade for.
Yeah, this is what I was concerned about. Specs of the boards don't matter if BIOS sucks.
both are really shit. Both were shilling 7600ks while ignoring that they stuttered like shit in plenty of 2016-2017 games by cherry picking CPU-light games. They also getting have no clue what "TBW" is, etc.
You can find good advice there, but the problem is that ignorant retards have the power to upvote blatantly false/misleading/ignorant posts so you can't tell what is right without already knowing yourself... at which point you don't need their advice.
Evan Turner
This. This is true regarding Reddit. Although they CAN be helpful, they can be quite backwards with regards to their advice. For the most part, ignore my suggestion to go to Reddit. It just doesn't seem so bad in my eyes because I know better.
Nathan Powell
any other ones without the red
Ethan Butler
a better piece of advice is to simply educate one's self which you really don't do on imageboards like here, or on forums like reddit, but rather by taking in multiple sources and preferably more experienced people like the video I posted here learnt quite a bit of things to look out for from him, really like his content
Ian Wood
Alright boys. So I got a rx 580 and a gtx 980 here. What cpu should I get tomorrow and should I get one of the new boards or just a price reduced last Gen board? I'll also be doing a full watercooling loop to go with it. It's not necessarily for gaming but I might pick up a 1440p monitor or maybe 4k monitor/TV to go along with it (for like movies n shit).
Michael Carter
Yes, without upvotes/downvotes it's easier to judge posts on their own merrits, instead of what ignorant sheep have upvoted because "it sounds right" even though it's false. The upvotes to ignorant posts trick your brain into thinking it must be correct instead of cross-checking it yourself to see if it really is right or not. This is the flaw of reddit.
Save money with the 2600 since you're going to be massively GPU bottlenecked. The minimum GPU you should be getting with the 3600 is Vega 56, 2060S, or 5700. It's a waste to get a CPU that powerful with anything less.
Jaxson Rogers
On those GPU's 1440P is about the max on medium settings. 4K is too high to drive. 3600 or 3700X depending on use.
Benjamin Rodriguez
There is a version without red, other popular cases are the meshify c and the cooler master h500, the last one has 200 mm rgb fans but you can turn the rgb off and get really good airflow and low noise since they are so big
Jackson Sanders
the meshify c looks perfect, thank you
Gavin Jackson
Lian Li 011 Air, or dynamic if you like that look better. both are oddly good for air apparently.
Bentley Morales
I currently have a ryzen 1600 and a vega 64. My main game is r6 siege and i get lows of 90fps. Would upgrading to one of the new ryzens bring me up to 120fps so I can upgrade my monitor without getting a new graphics card?
Jacob Bailey
Thanks for the advice. I didn't know the 980 was that bad. It's stronger that the 580 right? One more thing. Is there a noticeable difference jumping from a 9700k/1080ti to a 9900k/2080ti? Like will I be able to handle 4k gaming without any dips or stutters? Re2 I'm basically playing at 4k on medium with some dips into the 40s and 50s. I really hate drops since it messes with the flow of the game.
Anthony Carter
If your motherboard manufacturer rolls out a proper BIOS update, then sure, get a 3600 at MSRP or lower. 8700k has been BTFO'd by 3600 even without a proper BIOS release for Ryzen 3000.
Jordan Phillips
Anyone have experience with Noctua L9x65 SE-AM4 on 95W+ TDP Ryzen CPUs? Trying to go /sff/ and that heatsink is just barely low enough for a Louqe Ghost S1. I want to run a 3700X but I don't trust the 65W official TDP. I'm hoping the L9x65 is enough to give some PBO headroom assuming a 95W+ TDP.
Brody Long
Aorus gaming 7 wifi or Taichi (non ultimate)? I will use either a 3800X or a 3900X and OC it when I get a NH D15 (the new one I guess). The taichi is about 187 and the other is 230, but it is really eye catching and has actual heatsinks for the VRM.
Austin Harris
Will micron OEM sticks with E-die OC well? The stock speeds are low, most are only 2400 - 2666. I don't have a PC but I want to buy in advance because I hear prices will rise soon.
No. Different RAM sticks will only work well if the timings and speeds aligned. Micron OEM is so poorly binned that you'd have to torpedo the performance of the E-die so you can run both in dual-channel.
Can the OEM stick and get a second E-die stick.
Camden Carter
So are these things going to be hard to buy or what? I'd prefer to not have to drag my lazy ass to best buy but I will if needed. Buying 3600X.
Camden Adams
Roll your lazy ass out of bed and click 'buy' at your favorite only retailer tomorrow (this) morning
Evan Phillips
I don't have any RAM. I want to buy E-die OEM sticks, and I'm wondering if they'll OC.
Michael Flores
So will the 3600 and the 20xx Super cards be available on Amazon right away? Or will I need to purchase them from the manufacturer's website?
So they'll actually be in stock fore more than 5 minutes?
William Davis
When they go out for sale, they will be for sale from shops that sell computer stuff. There's a reason after all that not every business sells their own stuff alone.
Lincoln Rogers
By "shops that sell computer stuff", do you mean Newegg, B&H, etc.?
Nathaniel Lee
No, just use Education.
Dylan Foster
Anyone who wants to make a profit from selling AMD products to consumers.
Nolan Murphy
If you're gonna buy cheap get 3200 CL16/3000 CL15 ram.
Here's a kit. You know it's E-die because it has AES near the end of the model name.
Adam Hughes
No, but you don't need to use some malware ridden bootleg copy anyway. has the proper download. At any rate with LTSC you're stuck with 1809 till the next version drops in a couple of years, and you'll have to manually upgrade in 5 years from release.
