All of this, without having to use sketchy baked in advertising, data collection, and tracking methods like Brave has been proven to do time and time again.
>use a browser that promotes a proprietary cryptocurrency which its entire business model depends on instead ishygddt
Grayson Green
Already years ahead of you homie. Just wish they'd spend a few weeks optimizing it, dunno why it has to take 5-10 seconds to toggle something as fullscreen when other browsers can do it instantly. There's loads of other small annoyances like that but they've been doing pretty well fixing them lately, hope they keep at it.
Colton Watson
>Slowaldi no thanks
Grayson Wilson
cat ~/.local/share/.vivaldi_user_id
nice try schlomo
William Adams
I'm using edge chromium :)
Landon Gray
I use Firefox but I used to use Opera back in the day. I'm sure Vivaldi is better than Brave.
while brave is loaded with telemetry spyware shit, vivaldi gives you an anonymized user ID. we're talking about chromium forks here anyway you brainlet, and vivaldi has been show to be far less compromised than brave.
Nathan Torres
good thing you could inspect Vivaldi source, oh wait...
Evan Gonzalez
you can. the underlying browser engine is completely open source, and the UI code can be examined in any text editor.
James Butler
Been using Vivaldi as my general purpose browser and it's pretty good so far. With the demonetizing Kiwifarms incident, Brave and Eich prove themselves to be pushovers and not worth supporting
Lucas Cook
there are other browsers than brave and vivaldi
Easton Brown
it's not 100% open source, I wonder what they are hiding in that remaining closed source
Grayson Brooks
Read more: help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/ >In addition, our UI code is written in plain, accessible code for those who read HTML, CSS and JS. This means that for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit.
If your issue is that it's not all under an explicitly FOSS license, then there's a ton of other software you should be completely avoiding (numerous other chromium-based browsers, several mozilla-based browsers, windows, os x etc...).
Juan Perry
>demonetizing Kiwifarms incident What was this?
Benjamin Martinez
They hosted the christchurch shooting video and were labelled as extremists websites
Nathan Perez
And what does that have to do with Brave?
Jayden Carter
They excluded kiwifarms from receiving BAT donations, you mungeon.
Tyler Peterson
I tried for a year, but my experience was miserable.
> Recently launched online sync is glitchy as fuck > Retarded default settings > Recently launched multi-user support is still glitchy as fuck > No mobile version
Jeremiah Price
Browser synching between desktop and mobile browsers is a botnet. It shouldnt be used by anyone. Sync data manually. Multi-user in all chromium-based browsers is also botnet. Don't do that to yourself. Default settings are comparable to many other chromium forks. Mobile browsers are all botnet. Except some very small projects, all mobile browsers contain even worse telemetry implementations than their desktop counterparts.
Noah Wright
By some dangerhair with
Colton Cooper
I want a Liszt browser.
Connor Walker
Life is a botnet kys
Jack Phillips
Don't dismiss a use case just because it doesn't make sense to you, it might make sense for the other 99.9% of the userbase.
I work with mobile app development and let me tell you, every single app you use daily is full to the brim with telemetry. I work in e-commerce and we track every single user interaction in half a dozen different analytics platform. There's no escape, let me sync my fucking porn to my phone.
Ryder Thompson
Based vivaldi poster
Levi Jenkins
Vivaldi has a TON of nice features, but hell is it slow. If you hoard lots of tabs you're better off with Firefox. I'm not saying Vivaldi is bad, but my 4GiB RAM Thinkpad can't take it.
Gavin Roberts
this desu
>the only browsers are brave and vivaldi kek
Jose Edwards
This. Also Firefox makes turns my laptop into a nuclear power plant after a few hours.
Brayden Bennett
I have been using Vivaldi for years, and while it is the best I've used I've got some criticism
>still doesn't work natively with what's app web >auto complete to sponsored websites, no way to turn it off
It could be worse, but this second thing pisses me off to no end. Try typing www.the... And it'll auto complete to the absolutely terrible the verge website.
Isaiah Mitchell
I agree with this post
Jack Collins
No, it will only auto-complete to its bookmarks, I just tried a fresh install, deleted all bookmarks and it does not autocomplete at all.
Ryan Foster
If it's free, then you're the product.
Hunter Long
>paying for a browser
Thomas Sullivan
Well I'll be damned if this is true. Thanks Vivaldi employee, very nice.
Let's put it this way, BAT is a cryptocurrency (centralized and proprietary to boot), but it also drives Brave's advertising framework, and it's built into the browser itself. Look at Brave's commits in github, and search for the term telemetry. There are telemetry (data tracking / mining) commits all over the place, especially in the mobile versions of Brave. This tracking code's purpose is three-fold: 1. It measures the popularity of the sites which brave users visit. 2. It adjusts how much BAT currency is distributed to said sites and its visitors based on point one. 3. It controls what advertisements a user sees while using Brave.
Now this is where things get tricky. Brave's business model depends on this type of telemetry, and in order for the browser to continue being developed, and to survive, people who use Brave will increasingly need to opt in to the BAT-driven advertising scheme. If users choose to not opt-in to the BAT-driven advertising scheme, brave will die. Not only this, but the code is there. Baked into the browser, and parts of it still run whether or not one has "opted in". While Brave devs claim that the data collected from users mostly remains local, and that it is supposedly sanitized, there hasn't been a thorough audit of brave's code, so no one really know how accurate these claims are (including the people constantly shilling brave on Jow Forums). So whether you like it or not, Brave is constantly collecting data about your browsing habits, and its business model is highly dependent on this. In other words, if Brave couldn't track your browsing habits, Brave could not exist, and whose to say it wouldn't get worse (it most definitely will). Further, like google, Brave demonetizes people it deems unfit to receive BAT (most recently, kiwifarms).
Tldr: Brave is a browser built with the specific purposes of tracking the user's browsing habits, and creating an advertising network centered on the distribution of a controlled cryptocurrency.
Jack Baker
If you want to use a browser like this, one based on chromium no less, then go ahead. At best it's shady ponzi scheme tied into a chromium skin, masquerading as a browser. At worst, their need for telemetry will increase, user privacy will decrease, and you'll be browsing the web on a sinking garbage boat.
Samuel Anderson
cope
prove it's not local, and prove that any of this BAT tracking, local or otherwise, is done without opting in, or fuck off
Easton Nelson
you're honing in on one aspect of what i've said - and creating a strawman out of it - while ignoring all the rest. you're compensated to astroturf here though you dumb cuck, so enjoy your pyramid scheme.