AMD has released 2 GPUs, and 5 CPUs: - I added both GPUs, in the Superb and Excellent tiers - I added 2 of the CPU: 3700X and 3900X - The 3700X is particularly good, being the "2500K" of this generation - The 3900X is now the base CPU for comparison, replacing the 8700K - The 3200G, 3400G, and the 3600 were not added, as the reviews for these are scarce. I think I only read a single 3600 review so far. Once the reviews/benches are out, I will check
nVidia has released 2 GPUs: - Both were added, in the Excellent and Outstanding tiers - I did not remove the 2060 non-Super - The 2080 Super should be out by the end of the month
SSD prices have dropped tremendously, and as such: - 120GB SSD are no longer recommended, even in the lowest tiers - SSDs are recommended as a default option earlier - 500GB and 1TB options are also recommended in earlier tiers - I recommend M.2 drives more, since even value M.2 drives are much faster than high-end SATA, and price differences are negligible
How are the speed holes? Is there a buildup of dead skin? Only reason I'm put off
Christian Sullivan
Nah not for me, but if it really bothers you you could take some compressed air to it every week or so
John Carter
>6c without threads is now a bottle neck in some games and you will start seeing stutters/low dips. Is it? I would like to see some reviews that show this. Realistically, I was expecting to wait till the 3600X was reviewed, then possibly replacing the 9600K with that.
9600K suffers stutter/min frame drops on both stock/5.2ghz overclock. Its bad. The "minimum frame" average is not everything because its an average minimum frame. Average of 20 fps and 100 fps.
Isaiah Mitchell
Hey! I used your guide to build my pc in 2014. 980ti, 4790k, still have the 980ti tho. Moved onto 2600x but honestly it seems like cpus did not get better for a long ass time.
Parker Perry
>Moved onto 2600x but honestly it seems like cpus did not get better for a long ass time.
For what I play it's nearly identical. My 4790k was prone to overheating so it worked out in the end.
Camden Rodriguez
Imagine spending $1000 to make your computer worse
Connor Rivera
>honestly it seems like cpus did not get better for a long ass time. Older CPUs are still fine for most people, especially casual gamers. So the newer CPUs are better, but if you are on a 1080p@60Hz screen playing Hearthstone or LoL, you might not see any difference. I am on a 2500K still.
Owen White
Game's multithread scaling is locked to 4 core essentially.
Do I look like I give a fuck about your life story, bitch motherfuker? You bought a new PC and it's worse than your old one. You have failed. You lack the basic skills required to function in a modern society without being brain fucked by memes and corporate propaganda. You are an evolutionary dead end and basically, you should die.
Samuel Kelly
A $1000? I bought the 4790k for 300 it lasted 4 years and then I wanted to go to AMD cuz the mobo doesn't need to change. Why so mad?
Aiden Flores
Listen man you can talk shit all day but your new PC is worse than your old one. That's the bottom line. Anything else you say is just you coping with your own mental retardation.
James Watson
Sim games can choke even for a 1080p 60 FPS target. The kind of games that are only on PC for a good reason.
Lucas Wright
Hey, I'm sorry your having a bad day, cheers man I hope you make better decisions then me.
Austin Anderson
The 3600 should replace the 2700 and the 3600X should knock both the 2700X and the 9600k off the list.
Adrian Thompson
Yes, I am going to be on the lookout for reviews: >The 3200G, 3400G, and the 3600 were not added, as the reviews for these are scarce. I think I only read a single 3600 review so far. Once the reviews/benches are out, I will check
I read the Tech Jesus review, but not Techspot. Other sites should have the 3600/X reviews very soon though, since the CPUs are available for purchase.
Jackson Edwards
>being a newfag
Isaac Smith
only new on Jow Forums cause i am upgrading my pc for the first time ever
Ryan Flores
btw i remember the days when those pc guides were in png format as well
Dylan Morgan
This is very sad
Charles Watson
nine years ago this very week
and the computer I'm typing this on still has the Gigabyte X58A-UD3R listed in the top tier. maybe I should get around to upgrading.
>imageshack I moved to photobucket soon after that, since photobucket allows you to replace images and keep the same URL.
>ATi Also, I now feel old.
Robert Peterson
My CX600M is shitting out on me as I speak, whats something around that power I can pick up from bestbuy or similar without burning a hole in my thigh?
thats actually fucking brilliant holy shit ill have to wait until tomorrow but thank you, i always forget companies have those policies
Hunter Parker
My biggest thing is im worried about it crapping out *soon* and want to be able to pick it up in store rather than waiting a couple days (also cash is kinda tight so shipping would be annoying to deal with)
Ryder Ortiz
Went out for lunch, am back now.
Jow Forumsentlemen, please give me more feedback. Criticism, especially, is most welcome.
Luke Rogers
Are these x570 boards gonna die because of active cooling? Is there any going back or is active cooling going to be the norm with all this new pcie shit
Robert Scott
They are not going to die, but they might get loud.
It makes me fucking mad seeing the GPU prices on this chart. Thank fucking nvidia for inflating prices.
Daniel Mitchell
Might be a crazy suggestion but here goes: It would be cool to have the site be more "interactive". Right now it's kinda straining the eyes looking at all those colours bundled together so it would be nice to have the tiers grouped in a way so they are easier to distinguish between one another. Also this might take too much time to program, but an interactive system builder based on this list would be pretty nice. Have like a row of 9 columns and then arrows over each column pointing up and down. Then you can click the arrows and each column sorta goes a step up or down. Then underneath the row the price will automatically update, and errors or warnings if something is insufficient or low power PSU, stuff like that. Maybe even a PC mark estimation. In my case I have usually never taken and bought everything on a single row, but taken bits and pieces here and there from the various tiers.
Ayden King
>2010, best gaming PC (full PC) = $1300 >2019, best gaming card (just the card) = $1100 Golden age of price wars is long behind us. We could have another, but AMD needs to have something that competes with nVidia's best.
Leo Nguyen
>it would be nice to have the tiers grouped in a way so they are easier to distinguish between one another. Working on it. Pic related.
>an interactive system builder based on this list would be pretty nice Also working on it, but like you say: >much time to program
>buy more power efficient and secure CPU >downgrade You're retarded.
John Hall
If it were power efficient they'd put them in laptops.
Nathan Jenkins
Those are nice, where can I find all the releases?
Brody Long
We are fucking finally getting competition in the CPU space, and SSD's and HDD's are at a reasonable price (for now). Now we need the rest to come down in price.
Evan Moore
Indeed. CPU competition has not been this good since the Athlon days. 1TB M.2 SSDs are now affordable, though not cheap. If AMD can get its GPU game back together, we will be back to the good old days!
Aaron Ward
Still need ram to come down in price, and motherboard vendors to get their shit together.
Hudson Morales
>9600K over 3600X The 3600X is so much cheaper (as it comes with a solid cooler while 9600K comes with none) for virtually the same average framerates with better minimums while crushing the 9600K in everything else, why the hell would you buy Intel at that price point?
Liam Rogers
Oh, I forgot to add this in the OP: RAM prices are down, which is why I now recommend 8GB and 16GB in cheaper tiers.
Kevin Ramirez
>same average framerates with better minimums while crushing the 9600K in everything else The 3600X has not been widely reviewed. In fact, I have only seen 2 reviews for the 3600 non-X, and one of them I only noticed because it was recommended ITT.
Jaxon White
Then isn't it premature to update the guide?
Gavin Nguyen
The 3700X and 3900X have been widely reviewed. I added them. How is this premature?
Julian Brooks
Since the lower price point is where most of the customers are, especially those who need help in building, I'd say it is.
Jaxson Cook
I'm also curious to see where VIA/Zhaoxin's latest cpu's are going. They are planning a 7nm cpu with pcie4 and ddr5 by 2020 which is ambitious to say the least. They can't match Intel or Amd in performance but if they are cheap enough I could see them get traction in the asian market.
Joshua Reyes
How do I remedy this situation? Remove the 3900X and 3700X?
Jack Johnson
Either recommend the Ryzen 5 based on what's out there or wait for more reviews if you're uncomfortable with that. In many parts of the world the 9600K with a modest air cooler can end up costing over 50% more than the 3600, or over 30% more than the 3600X. And it definitely does not have that kind of performance over them. I don't see how anyone can justify buying it.
Andrew Garcia
>wait for more reviews if you're uncomfortable with that I am doing that right now.
I understand you concerns, that the 3600X could be the better option, but I cannot recommend something that has not been reviewed.
Noah Green
Good jawb Sorry bother, but do you have the failed interview questions you posted some time back anywhere on hand? I've been searching for them without success.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
This? Oh, and since some Jow Forumsentlemen pointed this out: Pic related is TWO sections. The one on the right does not require any programming knowledge to enjoy.
I am leaving for home, will check this thread once I am there.
Just passing by to thank you for the site and the work put on it. Nothing else is like Logical Increments.
Blake Sullivan
Thanks
Isaac Carter
>Can you tell me about your professional history? >I try my absolute best to make sure my code doesn't have too many errors before I take it live What exactly was the issue with this? Seems like a perfectly reasonable response, even if it's way off track for the question.
Ethan Brown
Given that you list 9900K and 3900X at almost the same price, it makes no sense to have one at exceptional and the other at enthusiast. Put both of them in both categories. Also, please don't refer to NVMe drives as M.2. M.2 can be either SATA or NVMe.
Samuel Anderson
>The 3200G, 3400G, and the 3600 were not added, as the reviews for these are scarce. Haven't seen a single one for 3200/3400G but there are many for 3600. It basically trashes the 9600K and rivals the 8700K while being more cost effective. 3600 is imo THE mainstream goto option for everything including gaming. You should add it. 3600 + 5700 will be the choice for many because its incredible value.
Ryan Taylor
In other words, the candidate said: >My code will have errors, but not too many, when it goes live
>Put both of them in both categories. Put two CPUs, one from AMD and one from Intel, in the same tier?
>M.2 can be either SATA or NVMe. Very true.
Brayden Myers
>many for 3600 Not many, just two.
Ryan Carter
Oh god. I have about 8 years of professional front-end .NET development under my belt, and yet I wouldn't be able to answer these question out of the blue. I never had to tackle any of those problems as a front end dev before. Thanks, this just made me feel like a shit dev.
Tyler Hill
>Find all the odd numbers from 0-100 >Sum all the integers between X and Y >Count down from 700 to 200 in decrements of 13 These questions are what you answer in the second month of your first semester. These are quite literally a single line of code inside a simple loop.
Wyatt Green
Yeah I know its simple. Like you said it's something simple you learn in first semester, but that was 8 years ago. I haven't touched anything like that in 8 years. So if anyone asked me to write that in C# like right now on a piece of paper I might new a couple of minutes at least to scribble down some notes to get the memory going. But I have actually given it a thought since I wrote the previous post, because I remembered the % operator which I have only used like twice or something in all these years: Enumerable.Range(1,100).Where(x => x % 2 != 0).
Evan Hughes
same Man I need to dig out my old books again...
Colton Sullivan
Congratulations, in ~2 minutes, you have jogged your memory and regained skills that put you above 99.5% of all programming job candidates.
I am not being snarky to you, but also I am not lying: 99.5% of programming job applicants are better off applying to McD's.
Zachary Cook
>GTX GTX GTX RTX RTX RTX
When will you finally admit you are a paid shill of Nigvidia Falcon
Nolan Gray
See:
Cooper Bell
Doesn't make sense to have them in different tiers of they cost the same. Maybe you could indicate somehow which motherboards work with which ones, e.g. by color coding them? Or just name one "Enthusiast (AMD)" and the other "Enthusiast (Intel)". If you don't want to do that, then maybe just take the better one (I assume 3900X?). I don't really see why you'd only take 3900X with 2080Ti or dual 2080. And honestly, same with 3700X and 2070 (and not 2080), I don't think trying to order it by CPU vendor works very well in general, try to think of something
Angel Sullivan
I did put this, specifically saying that you can switch to the 3900X if you are not 100% pure gaming.
i don't understand the change in the exceptional cpu tier. you've changed from cpus in the ~350-400$ pricepoint to a cpu in the ~500$ pricepoint, and in the tier right below it you list the 3900x, which is only 20$ more expensive.
