Are there actually any formats that you can store data long-term on at this point...

>only steel is stainless
Get out, Zoomer

Regardless of the medium you can only have total assurance of your data by using multiple backups in different locations anyway, either one physical and one cloud, or multiple physical. That's just the .. well, physical reality of it. Even a library of binary engraved gravestones can be damaged. There is no 100% damage proof material on Earth. Are we done arguing now?

hard drives fail because the heads fail, not because the platters lose data.

>you're a fucking idiot if you expect your local grocery shop DVD-R ten pack to hold up for a century.
But that's exactly what libraries are doing all over the world.
The world needs a cost effective, reliable and easily retrievable solution like paper was.

>reliable and easily retrievable
>paper

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Except that's exactly what was promised of optical media. All Optical media was supposed to last decades or half a century or a century.

And a regular CD or DVD does last decades. Special storage formats last centuries. What more do you want, you fucking clown?

Are you dense? It was a big story a few years ago about how archivists were finding that digital media was not lasting on optical storage even a decade or two.

>vinyl
>out of MeTaL

>vinyl
>vinyl
>made of metal
>vinyl

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>CDs and DVDs were supposed to be long-term storage
CD-R, DVD-R were never supposed to be long-term storage, no. Any who told you otherwise was selling snake oil.

You mean the companies that sold them?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

Outsource the problem and store it in the cloud

I've been posting PaperBak to these stupid threads for years and no one listen or claim OMG IT BURN THOUGH.
Look how much paper there is that is centuries old in museums.

ollydbg.de/Paperbak/

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What's happening here is you're replying to a zoomer who thinks the phrase "vinyl" means the same thing as "vinyl record." You'll find this is a common mistake among the younger set.

Protip: you can have a "vinyl collection," or own an album "on vinyl." But you can't have "a vinyl," and you don't play records on "a vinyl player."

>You must insert your medium into the drive (if you have one!) and try to read it.
>Paper is different.

>Of course, bitmaps produced by PaperBack are also human-readable (with the small help of any decent microscope). I'm joking. What you need is a scanner attached to PC.

The best back-up is as many copies as you can get. My entire digital life and all backups is less than 100MB so I have about 10 copies of it. I'm still updating an old 128MB USB stick from ages ago with the same fileset.

Interesting

just engrave a steel plate
with micro machining you can sculp sub-millimiters carracters, it will last for thousands of years for sure
need big storage room though

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I have 45 year old floppy disks that are still readable

I'm sure there will be NO shortage of optical sensors in the distant future.
It's essentially, get the paper digitally on a fucking confuser, then write the simple code to convert it to binary and output to file.

>CDs and DVDs were supposed to be long-term storage
Who tf ever said this?

If there was a shortage of optical sensors why wouldn't there be a shortage of scanners too?

The thing about these threads is that people will paint all these end-of-the-world scenarios, and then ask what you're doing to safeguard your porn against it, as if that would be your most pressing issue.

>What else is there
Magneto-Optical discs. So basically
>some bizarre experimental forms only available to laboratories

Also M-Disc.

Holes bored into sheets of steel.

No storage medium really withstands fires you dumbass.

Literally everyone, you dipshit. Fucking zoomers.

you dont need a scanner, a good digital camera would do.
A fucking computer mouse would do as well but would take forever to manually scan the whole page.

>easily retrievable solution like paper was.
Man you are really trivializing what might be several million man hours that has gone into document archival. Paper is an incredibly bad storage format.

I'm just imagining someone trying to scan a bunch of pages of bit maps with a laser mouse now and I'm laughing my ass off.

minidisc is magneto optical disc

I have over 500 CD and DVDs spanning 1983 to the present and none of them are faulty.

Go check them all and report back :^)

Taking rotational velocidensity into account, honestly no.

it’s called record
LP Record
it can be made out of metal too
youtube.com/watch?v=CaHOBmd-2po

>My entire digital life and all backups is less than 100MB
Please teach me your ways.

Not him but this method is proving itself to be effective. We have so much data from our ancesters.

DVDs haven't actually been around long enough to test their theoretical ~100 year lifespan when stored under proper conditions. That image is an issue of user error and improper use or storage.

Tape.

You still can't make vinyl out of metal.

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Paper lasts maybe for a couple of thousand years when stored under proper conditions though.

What kind of idiots would use metal discs for long term storage!?!?!

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No. Mulptiple archivists in the past decade have been reporting that they are alarmed that a lot of their optical media has been degrading long before it should have and is no longer good.

Says who?

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Just carve it in stone bro

Nigger I would if I could. I'm about to bake some fucking clay tablets.

Except they started to produce paper using iron salts which oxidize the sulfur dioxide in the air and the paper gets rot. If you want to keep your paper, you need to make it the same way those centuries old books were made, and no one does it.

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M-Disc

Pressed discs, perhaps. But if you're storing data, you're not pressing discs zoomer, you're burning them to discs with an ORGANIC LAYER. Which means it degrades over time. Know the difference.

Found the retard. Magneto-optical is easy for a normal consumer to get.

no one is stopping you from making paper yourself fagit

My penis can.

It's not an easy task though. Could you make large quantities of good quality paper in a relatively short amount of time?

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yes? a short time would be years to be honnest

Memorex CD-R

Magnetic tape. Still used by the government to store data.

Stone

store data in brain cells

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Any source on that? Quick googling didn't yield any results that mentioned the use of iron salts as an additive for paper. The most common additive seems to be chalk or calcium carbonate.

I'm not sure what it was but there are chemicals used in the cellulose treatment process that can oxidize exposed to current polluted air and turns the paper yellow then it crumbles to dust. This is only for the industrial age papers, that's why we have paper books from the 1500s.

>Not storing all your data on VHS tape
Fucking kids these days BAKA

Science girl already tested this though
m-disc.blogspot.com/2013/04/emmes-science-fair-project-m-disc-dvd.html?m=1

Radiation.
Nuke a city and people will know you hated it for centuries

>CDs and DVDs were supposed to be long-term storage and even they have been shown to be faulty for this purpose
I have plenty of 15 year old burnt CDs that still work fine, don't buy the cheapest blanks you can find.

>CDs and DVDs were supposed to be long-term storage and even they have been shown to be faulty for this purpose
proof?

From what I found, it seems paper was produced under acidic conditions for a long time which makes it degrade faster (due to cleavage of acetal bonds in cellulose) and apparently that's one of the most common reasons of paper degradation in libraries/archives. Old ink (iron gall ink) was also acidic which lead to the ink "eating away" the paper, this is a problem for all a lot of very old books.
But nowadays paper is produced under alkaline conditions and calcium carbonate or chalk is added so that acid degradation generally doesn't happen anymore.
I couldn't find anything like what you claim.

M DISC BD's.

Surely you've seen yellowed paper.

Just write all that binary code in a cave. That should last millions of years.

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its not a vinyl record then, it's a metal record

and yes, metal records are viable long-term storage

Fuck it was aluminium not iron. Sorry.

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teflon punch tape

Yeah, it's just expensive because the diskettes are rarer and it never took off except in Japan and I think the medical informatics industry. But there's a guy who regularly sells 640MB MO drives for 90 USD on ebay, he ships out of japan.

As someone who just schlorp'd a few shelves full of optical disks onto NAS, I can attest that early 2000s pressed disks are absolute shit, having about a 1 in 8 chance of delamination. CDs and DVDs both. 80s and 90s vintage media is way more reliable.

I completely trust M-Disc because it's inorganic etching but the cost is high so I'd store only the most important of things on it
LTO might also be fine for the advertised life if you pack it in desiccant beads or rice

paper

flash mem--

>An article from CMU in 2015 writes that "Today's flash devices, which do not require flash refresh, have a typical retention age of 1 year at room temperature."

oh fuck

I've got cassette tapes from the '70s that are perfectly listenable today. What gives?

> puts a watch battery on the pcb
Now 16 years. No worse than grocery store DVDs.

M-Disc/DVD/Blu ray might be ok for small data sets but when your talking several TB (15+) it's just not practical nor economical.

Discs will last a long time if you take care of them. As in don't scratch them up, don't put them in plastic sleeves (cause they scratch them), don't keep them in a hot room/direct path of sunlight. The proper way is keep them in cases and then store them in a sealed up box to prevent dust/humidity from fucking them up in a basement where it's cooler.

Better quality. Pretty much anything made since 2000 is landfill fodder.

BRB transcribing a bunch of movies, albums and video games to paper

they do if they're stored correctly, but no one wants to pay for that, they just use an expensive medium them chuck it on some shelves in a shit warehouse. most don't even do things like temp/humidity control.

I can go out into my garage right now and dig out my Playstation 1 and ripped games I burned on Mitsui CD-Rs in 1996 and play them right now.

Please do that and report back.

Be a useless neet loser

I don't have to faggot they play in repetition on a multi CD/DVD player, which leaves me plenty of time to cornhole ur mum.