/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Jack Martinez
Jack Martinez

Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
State budget & CURRENCY
Post at least some attempt at a parts list
List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming
R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional).
R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value
R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs
R7 3700X/9900k - Overkill FPS for most GPU/monitor pairings
R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity.

RAM:
Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum
AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
1080p
RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
RX 5700 - even higher FPS
1440p
RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games. Wait for 5700 XT non-blower cards for higher end
RTX 2080ti - Highest possible FPS, but poor value
2160p (4K)
RTX 2070 Super OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.
2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

Wait for non-blowers if considering the 5700 XT. 5700 blower is fine and comparable to 2060S noise levels, due to being low power.

General:
PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important
A 256GB+ SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
NVMe don't give faster boot/load times than a fast SATA SSD
"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work
Don't use Speccy, use hwinfo instead
See "more" for VRM chart

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Other urls found in this thread:

pcpartpicker.com/list/CQt9fH
jowforums.com/thread/71843171/technology
uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JWwyvn
youtube.com/watch?v=IfPQfU4F0_g
amazon.com/Sabrent-2-5-Inch-Aluminum-Enclosure-EC-M2SA/dp/B01N6PMZLW/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_es_US=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=m.2 to sata&qid=1562953051&s=electronics&sr=1-3
amazon.com/Intel-660p-2-0TB-80mm-978351/dp/B07GCLLKDC/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_es_US=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=ssd 2 m2&qid=1562953063&s=gateway&sr=8-5
techpowerup.com/review/pci-express-4-0-nvme-ssd-test-amd-x570-ryzen-3000/
guru3d.com/news-story/ryzen-3000-asus-opens-up-pcie-4-support-for-selected-x470-and-b450-boards.html
youtu.be/_fPwI0waZm
jowforums.com/thread/71847957/technology

David Peterson
David Peterson

Considering to upgrade in the near future, currently got a phenom 2 1055t with a 50% underclocked Hd5770.
Although I'm happy with its power, the noise level is especially annoying

William Barnes
William Barnes

Do after market cards generally have a higher failure rate?
I want to trade in my 2070 founders Edition for an after market card since the FE has obnoxious coil whine but I've been burned by faulty after market cards before.

Leo Flores
Leo Flores

decided to get 2 of these and put them in raid-0

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Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

I'm going for the semi-cheapo b450 and 3700x route so I can't even benefit from those supposed 3600 Mhz gains on my ram. Should I just go for 3200 and not bother or try to get one that can easily OC to 3466?

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

Thoughts on this build
pcpartpicker.com/list/CQt9fH

Also ideally I would like to do 1440p gaming what would be my best bet for a graphics card and should I wait if I can get a good 1080 for real cheap?

Gavin Rodriguez
Gavin Rodriguez

Honest question, whats the next big thing to wait for? Ive been waiting 9 years to build a new PC, im running short of excuses to buy a new build, what should I wait for or is it the right time to upgrade?

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Owen Lewis
Owen Lewis

Are there Chinese brands of CPUs

Curious

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith

how good is wraith prism?

Grayson Thompson
Grayson Thompson

Corsair LPX or Gskill ripjaws V
both 3200 2x8 cl 16
for ryzen 3600x

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Ethan Rodriguez
Ethan Rodriguez

so I can't even benefit from those supposed 3600 Mhz gains on my ram
Why not

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

You dumb or what m8? 4000+ works easily on B450 as long as you have Zen2 CPU.

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

Almost as good as your mom's bj

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

How important are PWM fans?

Juan Taylor
Juan Taylor

buy 3200 cl14

Gabriel Cooper
Gabriel Cooper

PowerColor vs Sapphire?

Carter Cruz
Carter Cruz

jowforums.com/thread/71843171/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71843171/technology
x570 as in the motherboard, not the gpu?

If the 3700x is pointless for games, what's the recommended motherboard and ram for 3600 or 3600x then?

Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

Huawei, but it's all phone processors

Grayson Jenkins
Grayson Jenkins

shipping got delayed

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Juan Moore
Juan Moore

Just gonna repost in this thread, could I have some thoughts on upgrading to this:
uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JWwyvn
from pic related for a gaming PC? Is AMD definitely the way forwards now?

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Henry Green
Henry Green

Actually pretty damn good.

Jordan Price
Jordan Price

surprisingly okay

Elijah Bell
Elijah Bell

Ah that's a big brand so it's not funny

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

need good motherboard for amd 3600
ask Jow Forums
msi is shit
asus is shit
asrock is shit
gigabyte is shit

WELL WHICH BRAND IS NOT SHIT YOU FUCKING NIGGERS?!

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Jace Jones
Jace Jones

My Ryzen is running below room temperature faggots

Bentley Cooper
Bentley Cooper

if you need 16 cores, september for the 3950x
otherwise you can buy now as x570's are the first boards with pcie4

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

All of them are shit

Parker Stewart
Parker Stewart

just make your own motherboard brainlet

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

I made this flowchart just for you.

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Gavin Cox
Gavin Cox

biostar

Jaxson Hill
Jaxson Hill

You can't go wrong with MSI B450 Tomahawk or Mortar, they are one of the best B450 mobos out there.

Asher Cox
Asher Cox

Avoid asus (shit quality) and asrock (shit bios). Rest are fine.

Alexander Gomez
Alexander Gomez

asrock is really good though
it's just a shame this time around that they raised their prices a lot on the premium boards, usually they're a lot less expensive than the competition

Easton Smith
Easton Smith

Any point in upgrading anything atm if I have 6700k and 1070 gtx? GPU starts to bottleneck a bit but I feel like 2070 RTX and 5700 just aren't good enough/cheap enough to justify jump.

Ian Walker
Ian Walker

If you're getting the 16 core Zen 2 also remember to order a yearly supply of liquid nitrogen.

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Sebastian White
Sebastian White

What are the chances it's the CPU that's roofing my ram at 3400 and not the mobo,,, and this same mobo with a 3600x will let me get that ram at 3600mhz

Joshua Jenkins
Joshua Jenkins

What's the best RAM that a 450 can support? I think only 570 boards support the new modules.

Austin Howard
Austin Howard

mortar got a new bios today so it might be fine, but i'd hold off the tomahawk for now, a lot of people are having issues

Kayden Perry
Kayden Perry

Don't expect to get any real, trustable information on here. Most people are here to confirm their own purchase biases

Gavin Fisher
Gavin Fisher

from my personal experience gigabyte has been okay

Lincoln Thomas
Lincoln Thomas

Gigabyte is the gold standard best vrm and perfect bios
just kidding
asus msi or asrock

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

6700k
I don't think the bottleneck is the gpu.

Kevin Peterson
Kevin Peterson

t. lives in saudi arabia

Jack White
Jack White

I bought the gigabyte X570 aorus elite
did I fuck up?

Dylan Martin
Dylan Martin

Like every other forum and subreddits are literally cope-chambers.

Austin Gray
Austin Gray

I'm running it with TridentZ 3200CL16 and everything is just fine. You don't need anything else for a 3600.
My friend just bought Tomahawk + 3600 and he has no issues with it.

Chase Bell
Chase Bell

brainlet here

what is the current bottleneck?
GPUs? CPUs? applications?

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

HELP

Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Jenkins

Most people are here to confirm their own purchase biases
true

Jack Rogers
Jack Rogers

might be overkill
could have saved money and use it for GPU

Brayden Foster
Brayden Foster

better than water cooling.

Noah Cooper
Noah Cooper

what are your other components?

Jason Walker
Jason Walker

I'm talking from experience, I've been using MSI products for years and didn't have any issues. Maybe I'm just lucky, who knows.

Elijah Sanchez
Elijah Sanchez

how does trident z compare with ripjaws v?

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

Calm down shill. I play at 3440x1440.

Nolan Hughes
Nolan Hughes

3600 with b450, 3200 16gb, best video card you can afford.

David Gomez
David Gomez

It's always been GPUs for games, AMD and Intel are having a field day selling gaymers double the processing power that they need.

Nolan Wilson
Nolan Wilson

though mine was delayed until august because of ddr4 shortages
today get a message saying it's coming on monday
feels good man

Asher Diaz
Asher Diaz

3900x
haven't decided on gpu yet, maybe waiting for the non-reference navis

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

are b350 obsolete now that ryzen 3000 is out?

Christopher Edwards
Christopher Edwards

Is a 2080 overkill for 1440p/95hz?

Alexander Ramirez
Alexander Ramirez

you'll be fine

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

4th repost

What matx motherboard do I pick for intel i5 8400?

Any suggestions at least what to avoid?
What's wrong with my question?

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

I don't really know, I purchased TridentZ for muh RGB.

Robert Baker
Robert Baker

Don't listen to him, a 3700x is indeed overkill for now, but when you upgrade again in the future you will thank your self for not cheaping out on the CPU.

Joseph Edwards
Joseph Edwards

t. non-competitive casual gamer

John Cox
John Cox

no

Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

no, it's safe to skip this gen with both. I'm running a 3400G and Vega 64 with no issues.
3400G is about the same as a 6700K.

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

Hey guys, looking for a bit of help.

Just upgraded my mobo (b450 tomahawk), CPU (Ryzen 5 3600) and ram.

Connected everything up, but pressing the on button does nothing, PSU doesn't spin up or anything. I'd like to say the mobo is DOA, but I had the shop upgrade the bios before sending it out to me.

Is it possible I've shorted it without noticing and it's my fault? It would be a pretty big coincidence that my PSU that was working fine yesterday suddenly died today with all of this.

Austin Bailey
Austin Bailey

If the frequency and timings are the same, there is no difference. They get the memory from the same manufacturer and just slap their plastic and branding on it.

Nathan Bailey
Nathan Bailey

aight
also if you happen to have experience with corsair what do you recommend about gskill vs corsair

Zachary Richardson
Zachary Richardson

Help me lads. Do I take the 1440p 60hz pill or the 1080p 144 hz pill? Just got a 3600 and plan on getting something in the 1660 ti range.

games I'm interested in off the top of my head are WoW, gaylo master chief collection, civ 6 and cyberpunk. I'm thinking if I'm building in the $1000 I should just stick with 1080p no?

Jack Clark
Jack Clark

double check connections and standoffs

Jaxson Gonzalez
Jaxson Gonzalez

My advice is to check if your pc posts before you put everything in your case.

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

Do I take the 1440p 60hz pill or the 1080p 144 hz pill?
seconded

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

definitely 1440p 60hz. 144 by itself is a meme.

Oliver Ward
Oliver Ward

the latter, as adaptive sync does a good job of smoothing out any drops you get from 144 fps

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

It's a valid budget option for 3700 and under.

Juan Cooper
Juan Cooper

If you take the 1440p pill be ready to upgrade your GPU soon if you plan to play anything newer.

Adam Rivera
Adam Rivera

Lmao 3200c16 is fucking trash

Colton Lopez
Colton Lopez

What's wrong with my question
Why do you have an 8400? Why don't you already have a mobo for it? Why does it even matter which you would pick?

Xavier Williams
Xavier Williams

I think you can't go wrong with either, just buy whatever you like more.

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

I am kinda pissed that b450 memeboards increased in price since new zen release, so i am probably going to buy overpriced x570 out of spite.

Carter Robinson
Carter Robinson

coping over the fact you overpaid for your ram

Joseph Foster
Joseph Foster

Seriously, CSGO updates that make the game twice as heavy was one of the best moves of the industry lately. A game that is played by competitors and shit, requiring hundreds of fps, used to be lightweight and now requires you a super expensive PC to run it at these fps

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

thanks

Jack Green
Jack Green

It outperforms 3600.

Asher James
Asher James

Even with a 1660ti? Depending on the monitor I got my plan was to either get an RX580 and upgrade in like a year or a 1660 ti and upgrade in like a year and a half to two. I'm trying to keep within a budget so the 580 has appeal but it feels stupid to spend more on the CPU than the GPU

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

Check the on off switch on the PSU lmao retard

Jordan Perry
Jordan Perry

What?

Hudson Moore
Hudson Moore

No retard I bought 3000c15 for cheaper than your 3200c16 and I'm running it at 3400c16

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

Yeah, but it's more so on anonymous sites like Jow Forums. You can make a bullshit comment and never be held to account for it. On forums with accounts and a name attached to you, people will learn over time who to trust and who not to trust

You see it on every board here. /o/, /fit/, Jow Forums, etc. It's fun to shitpost, but anyone making decisions based on advice they get here are just dumb

Levi Morris
Levi Morris

looks pretty flat to me

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Lincoln Price
Lincoln Price

super expensive PC
I'm playing CSGO on 1280x960 at over 350fps with a $200 CPU and $100 GPU lmao.

Joshua Morgan
Joshua Morgan

Two years ago that same setup would get a bunch more fps.

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

Retard here
bought pretty much all of my pc component and am waiting for deliver
it just occurred to me that i didn't buy any connectors for ssd and hdd and PSU etc
are they included in the case connectors?

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Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

t. esport faggot that doesn't understand what a game is

Lucas Powell
Lucas Powell

psu connectors come with the psu
hdd/ssd connectors come with the case

Tyler Bailey
Tyler Bailey

Tfw an used rx580 costs 76% of your wage

Jackson Gray
Jackson Gray

What connectors?

Jack Miller
Jack Miller

Why does it even matter which you would pick?
Because I'm not a gamer and I want it to last for a bit of being mostly being turned on, and to have that usb 3.1 gen 2 and usb c and maybe have lpt+com headers, but that seems rare in the cheaper motherboards.

Jeremiah Walker
Jeremiah Walker

motherboard comes with SATA Data cables (drives probably do too), PSU comes with every power connector, case comes with cables that run to the mobo.

Caleb Cox
Caleb Cox

cables
hdd/ssd connectors come with the case
both data and power cables?

Jaxson Ramirez
Jaxson Ramirez

So why are these considered shit? I dont really want those flashy RGB rainbow shit glowing on my case so I was looking for "regular" ram and you guys call them useless, but why thou?

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Grayson Young
Grayson Young

boy you really are a retard

Jonathan Long
Jonathan Long

I think 580 can't push any new game even close to 144fps on 1080p. Imo 5700/2060s are the best cards for 1440p unless you plan to go used and get cheap vega.

Ryder Ross
Ryder Ross

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Jordan Taylor
Jordan Taylor

Damn dude is there some kind of crazy inflation in your cunt ?

Henry Mitchell
Henry Mitchell

3000 CL16
that's why, RAM speeds actually matter and have an impact on even game performance, especially with Ryzen CPUs

Juan Watson
Juan Watson

data cables come with mobo, power cables with psu

Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

the power cables come with the psu
data cables come with the case

Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

So why are these considered shit?
they're not best value for perf
you'd want 3200 MHz cl16 2x8 though
and you guys call them useless, but why thou?
just one nigger crying over the fact he overpaid his ram

Levi Green
Levi Green

cherrypick one game
3200c14, not c16 like you just said
compared to 3600c18 (GDM ON)
Nice job.

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Landon Miller
Landon Miller

local bestbuy is selling an rtx 2080 that's on sale on Amazon for $100 less than best buy
BestBuy denies the price match because their sku has a one letter difference than other retailers
Ask EVGA customer support if there's a difference in the Bestbuy model and the other retailers model
Confirmed there is no difference, Bestbuy just changed the sku in their system to avoid price matching

Is that even legal?
How do I request a microcenter be built in my town

Eli Ramirez
Eli Ramirez

one says data with mobo
other says with case
which one?
also how many do i get? do i have enough for 1 hdd and 1 2.5" ssd?

Isaiah Murphy
Isaiah Murphy

so theres no need to buy seperate cooling for the 3700x?

Mason Richardson
Mason Richardson

i meant
no they're not shit, they are best value for perf

Gavin Edwards
Gavin Edwards

0.3% increase in performance
Good financial advice.

Parker Wilson
Parker Wilson

No just normal life as a poorfag in Brazil

Eli Flores
Eli Flores

fucking saved

Grayson Hall
Grayson Hall

Fuck. Where can I find benchmarks of the 3400g with a discrete graphics?
I want to see it's gaming perf without its igpu bottleneck

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Parker Cruz
Parker Cruz

Mobo. Usually either 2 or 4 included cables.

Ian Lee
Ian Lee

depends on the CPU

Juan Johnson
Juan Johnson

you can save money by eating sopa de macaco for 1 month

Dylan Price
Dylan Price

There was a comparison on youtube and it was a heavy downgrade compared to the 3600.
Don't get it if you are planning on using a discrete gpu

Samuel Perez
Samuel Perez

I'm pricing out a 3700x build vs a 9700k build. What motherboard around $150 would pair with the 9700k?

Gabriel Flores
Gabriel Flores

uma delid cia

Jacob Nguyen
Jacob Nguyen

I think I just realized that gaming isn't really cheap. 9 years ago I upgraded to an Athlon x2 and a 9500gt. That shit struggled to play NFS Pro Street, Dirt 2, BFBC2 and GTA IV.
Now I updated to a 2200G thinking I was up withe times and glad that it runs GTAV and BF4, but found that these games are like 6 years old. THen I considered buying an RX570 and fuckin saw this

Jeremiah Reyes
Jeremiah Reyes

I'd rather eat burgers and açaí many times a week

Brandon Watson
Brandon Watson

No shit it can't push 144fps, it's fine at 60.

William Taylor
William Taylor

I'm planning on buying the 3700x, but I don't know if I should go for X470 or X570.

I also bought a 3000C15, am I going to get cucked on speed?
GPU I have is a 2060.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

you realize gaming is expensive once you start making money for yourself
i wanted muh top of the line pc when i was a teenager, now i work and don't want to invest into games even though i want to play them

Leo Ross
Leo Ross

that is over ambient right?

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

Only for an year tho

Landon Miller
Landon Miller

wanna buy pic related, but I have an old mobo that only supports Sata, how can I install it? would you recommend me some adapter to make it work?

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Ryan Ortiz
Ryan Ortiz

are there any aftermarket chipset heatsinks that would allow me to take the fan off of the gigabyte x570 itx board?
i'd like to use that fan header for something else like actual case fans.

Matthew Gutierrez
Matthew Gutierrez

RAM barely matters on Zen2

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Jose Price
Jose Price

You got cucked by 2060 lmao.

Andrew Evans
Andrew Evans

Expected as much. Thanks. I'll drop my hopes it's only $50 difference anyways.
Though a decent igpu looks enticing incase my GPU dies and I don't have the money for a replacement

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

Your mistake is on the "I want to play videogames as an adult" part

David Nguyen
David Nguyen

Then you might have to turn down to high settings, big deal.

Ethan Adams
Ethan Adams

wtf I got memed hard

Matthew Foster
Matthew Foster

Sata adapter, should be obvious

David Lopez
David Lopez

I know I probably did, but I was able to get it cheap. I haven't even opened it, so I may try and get it returned even though it's been several months.

Luke Diaz
Luke Diaz

Will a 650W PSU be enough for a 3700X and a 5700XT (planning on OCing both)?

Kayden Butler
Kayden Butler

youtube.com/watch?v=IfPQfU4F0_g

Get Chinese parts instead an get 90% of the performance for 1/4 the price.

Eli Hernandez
Eli Hernandez

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Ryan Rodriguez
Ryan Rodriguez

thanks

Jackson Rodriguez
Jackson Rodriguez

Why do you buy stuff and just keep it unopened for months ?

Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis

then you have to lower the gpu heavy settings

Isaac Morris
Isaac Morris

take the fan off of the gigabyte x570 itx board?
is it really that big?
do you have pic cause i wanted a x570 and now am thinking about going b450

Cameron Sullivan
Cameron Sullivan

i don't mean 'DUDE VIDYA ALL DAY NON-STOP LOL' i mean playing for a couple of hours over the weekend when my workplace isn't breathing down my neck. surely i'm not the only person over 18 that wants to do this?

Carter Johnson
Carter Johnson

Get a real hobby, like overclocking.

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Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

Do you need to reinstall windows or anything if you replace the motherboard and cpu?

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

Do u promise

Jason Jones
Jason Jones

So these work together right?

amazon.com/Sabrent-2-5-Inch-Aluminum-Enclosure-EC-M2SA/dp/B01N6PMZLW/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_es_US=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=m.2 to sata&qid=1562953051&s=electronics&sr=1-3

amazon.com/Intel-660p-2-0TB-80mm-978351/dp/B07GCLLKDC/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_es_US=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=ssd 2 m2&qid=1562953063&s=gateway&sr=8-5

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Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

This

No just a clean install of drivers

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

the issue is that the mobo only has 3 fan headers, 1 of them taken up by the chipset fan. one is for cpu fan, the other is for case fans.
i wanted to remove the x570 chipset fan to get an extra fan header for case fans.

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Chase Perez
Chase Perez

So how big is the difference between a 5700 and an XT?

Dominic Reed
Dominic Reed

Friendly reminder that 3200c16 is right in the center of the money waste curve of RAM prices

Carter Gonzalez
Carter Gonzalez

While the synthetic numbers are truly impressive for PCI-Express 4.0, showing over 5 GB/s actual transfer rates — 43% faster than the same SSD running at PCI-Express 3.0, the actual real-life gains are small. Averaged across our test suite, we only see a 1% improvement, nothing you'd ever notice in real-life.
PCI-E 4 confirmed a meme. As if it was even in doubt.

techpowerup.com/review/pci-express-4-0-nvme-ssd-test-amd-x570-ryzen-3000/

Luke Walker
Luke Walker

GTX 1660ti for sub $250 or RTX 2060 for ~$300?

Are ray-tracing and VR a meme or is it worth $50-70 more. Any chance the RTX goes lower in like the next two weeks?

Jaxon Mitchell
Jaxon Mitchell

I can already tell one is 4 numbers and the other one is two letters.

Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

X5670 4.4Ghz 6 Core 12 Threads

VS

6700K 4.4Ghz 4.6Ghz 4 Core 8 Threads

What's best for gaming?

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Ryder Turner
Ryder Turner

Worse, you don't even need x570 for it.
guru3d.com/news-story/ryzen-3000-asus-opens-up-pcie-4-support-for-selected-x470-and-b450-boards.html

Josiah Lee
Josiah Lee

Who the fuck is in charge to name every card?

They dont make any fucking sense, they just throw random numbers and then you expect to know its somehow better than the other shit with random letters and numbers...fuck this gay shit

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

shoulda gotten into software development
I make $2k/week as a consultant and work from home

Matthew Murphy
Matthew Murphy

always mobo, sometimes both.

Don't worry about being short on SATA data cables, you'll get an endless amount thrown at you with everything you buy.

Thomas Morris
Thomas Morris

xenon
What?

Landon Davis
Landon Davis

The better one, retard

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

lol

Mason Ward
Mason Ward

where are you from?

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

I'm using a 3400G with a Vega 64.
Switched from a 1700 and performance is slightly better if anything.

Blake Watson
Blake Watson

wew amd sure puts a lot of thermal paste on their wraith spire cooler, literally overshot it by 3 mm and when i wiggled it back there was thermal paste everywhere.
now i remember why i dont use stock coolers

Nicholas Evans
Nicholas Evans

Fuckin this
I miss when it was just 9xxx gt vs hd 4xxx

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

xt is a modest improvement, but it runs way, way hotter
not worth it

Caleb Ross
Caleb Ross

Mine came fine.

Carson Ross
Carson Ross

lets hope AMD doesn't reach Nvidia levels of autism and name their low end card the 3700XP or some bullshit.

Henry Evans
Henry Evans

i see
thanks

Robert Gutierrez
Robert Gutierrez

the US, but it doesn't matter
as long as your english is good there's no reason you can't make the same amount doing what I do since it's all over the internet with occasional phone calls/skype

Ryder Rodriguez
Ryder Rodriguez

Get a pmw controller to duplicate the fans? Otherwise I would think good case airflow would be sufficient for x570 vrms if they didn't have a shroud.

Where the hell are you finding $300 RTX 2060?
And don't count on prices going down unless RTX 2060 cards start piling up because everyone is getting the RTX 2060 Supers instead. But that's more likely to happen with the RTX 2070 cards.

Landon Williams
Landon Williams

its
Fixed for you

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

thanks

Juan Rivera
Juan Rivera

5700 is more or less equivalent to a 2070 and 5700xt is more or less equivalent to a 2070 super or 1080ti.

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

If you are interested in the 5700xt, wait for partner models coming in mid august so you can get a non-blower model that should have manageable temps.

Liam Williams
Liam Williams

Why do they take fuckin years to get smaller nm manufacturing

And why do they manage to do it at a steady rate in a way that every year there's a slightly better series of gpus and cpus

It's almost like it's just a market thing to keep you buying new stuff

Adrian King
Adrian King

moore's law

Kayden Davis
Kayden Davis

not waiting for AIB

Leo Reed
Leo Reed

i'm waiting for the asus x570-i strix to get announced w/ full specs and a price list.
from the pictures i've seen of it it looks like it has 3 fan headers in addition to w/e is being used by the x570 chipset cooler. if the price is reasonable i might get it.

i'll have to check. i wanted to have 4 case fans, 2 intake fans w/ 2 fans exhausting through an aio raditator. i'm comfortable w/ running a splitter but idk if i want to have my intake and exhaust fans all controlled by the same pwm header.

Brody Ramirez
Brody Ramirez

they will both run cooler and the xt will still run way too fucking hot
right now it literally throttles because it exceeds max temp

Lincoln White
Lincoln White

i wonder
what will happen when we reach 1nm
you can't have an architecture smaller than the size of a fucking atom

Leo Butler
Leo Butler

you can use 3pin fan headers in 4pin connectors, right?

Carson Martinez
Carson Martinez

Because they are constantly working on improving the tech and get 10-20% performance per year. That's a pretty damn good rate of improvement, especially if you aren't an autist who needs to buy shit constantly.

Just buy a computer and use it for 5 years, by that point the increase in performance will more than justify the cost of upgrading. If you upgrade every year, you are a fucking moron.

Adrian Cruz
Adrian Cruz

xt will still run way too fucking hot
(X)

Cameron Murphy
Cameron Murphy

process names aren't accurate, 7nm is way bigger than 7x7

thank samsung

Xavier Long
Xavier Long

You're being retarded on purpose, aren't you?

Camden Roberts
Camden Roberts

A triple fan will cool it just fine.

William Mitchell
William Mitchell

The 4th pin is for PWM fans which come with 4 pin headers, so yes.

Colton Harris
Colton Harris

Yeah I'll double-check everything again. First time this has happened to me, very nervous I've blown a fair amount of money on a motherboard is all.

Thanks

Michael Nguyen
Michael Nguyen

keep in mind that with ryzen, the first post can take a decent amount of time. Just power it on and let it do its thing. Unless it starts beeping error codes at you, it should be fine.

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

try to finish the order
3700x is out of stock

mcfucking kill me, why didnt i have the balls to press it earlier

Grayson Ross
Grayson Ross

the 2060 is $335 on amazon right now I don't think it's crazy that a sale pops up in the next few weeks where it's closer to $300

Jaxson Fisher
Jaxson Fisher

is there a way to turn off rgb from the wraith prism cooler?

Jacob Jones
Jacob Jones

based amazon delivering my psu to me within 24 hours of purchase with free shipping
now I just have to wait a week to get everything else from newegg

Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

yes

Colton Kelly
Colton Kelly

Are the aib models for both releasing at the same time?

Cameron Edwards
Cameron Edwards

in august

Camden Adams
Camden Adams

It's moore God?

Quantic computers

especially if you aren't an autist who needs to buy shit constantly
It's the other way around. The yearly improvement is irrelevant if you're not an obsessed and shits money.
Who the hell would update a hd4670 for a 5670 for example
To this day, the performance is even identical to the model right below it, of the previous series. Like 9500gt = 8600gt

Xavier Cruz
Xavier Cruz

Switched from a 1700 and performance is slightly better if anything.
Don't lie to me bru. This is my money we're talking about.
Can you post proof?

Blake Long
Blake Long

Why is VRAM not separate?

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

The thing is, I'm not getting any activity from the PSU at all. To me that's either a mobo issue (as the PSU would kick in even without a CPU, right?) or a PSU issue.

Charles Carter
Charles Carter

I bought a cooler and I want to cut off the LEDs.
After how long is it safe to assume the cooler won't fail and I won't need warranty, and can cut off the LEDs without worries

Anthony Wood
Anthony Wood

Fixed IT for you
You dare defy me!!

Liam Nelson
Liam Nelson

What?

Can't even quote

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson

shit always fails a few weeks after the warranty ends.

Ethan Wright
Ethan Wright

right thanks

Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

Why is VRAM not sold separately

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

Why is VRAM not separate?
Because gpu manufacturers tend to put the right amount of cram as the card will need for its performance level.
The thing is, I'm not getting any activity from the PSU at all. To me that's either a mobo issue (as the PSU would kick in even without a CPU, right?) or a PSU issue.
Look at all the cables closely. There is a very small cable that needs to be plugged into the mobo.
I missed it once and nothing switched on.
Besides that make sure your PSU is plugged in at the wall :P
Really your PSU couldn't have just died. Don't you still have your old mobo and such. Test it out with that.
Can't even quote
YOU can't even form full sentences

Ryan Jenkins
Ryan Jenkins

Why is VRAM not sold separately

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Jacob Campbell
Jacob Campbell

Why is VRAM not sold separately

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Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

It's not a retarded question tho
Imagine you can get a cheaper version of a gpu with 1gb gddr5 and later buy an used stick of 4gb gddr5

Hunter Foster
Hunter Foster

Why is VRAM not sold separately
Bru...

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Lincoln Sanders
Lincoln Sanders

Zotac?
If I wasn't stuck with EVGA for reasons, that would be tempting.

Logan Powell
Logan Powell

Because gpu manufacturers tend to put the right amount of cram as the card will need for its performance level.
Not true. There are DDR4 and DDR5 versions of the same gpu and also varying sizes of vram
YOU can't even form full sentences
No u

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

Are there any legit 3800x benchmarks yet?

Luis Peterson
Luis Peterson

isn't the automatic 1.45 vcore kind of high? better to manually set it to 1.1-1.2 or baka?

Colton Murphy
Colton Murphy

They actually used to sell vram so you can upgrade your GPU in the past. Manufacturers don't allow you anymore

Easton Lopez
Easton Lopez

Nvidia and Intel BTFO'd simultaneously
AMD triumphs!!
youtu.be/_fPwI0waZm

Adam Smith
Adam Smith

newegg got my shit from overseas a week sooner than it said the soonest would be

Kayden Phillips
Kayden Phillips

You can leave it as low as it still passes stress tests

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

I'm not swapping out and benchmarking all of my hardware for you.

I'm not saying you should upgrade if you have a 1700, but a 3400G is completely viable.

Dylan Walker
Dylan Walker

Not true. There are DDR4 and DDR5 versions of the same gpu and also varying sizes of vram
That's why I said "tend" as in Nvidia 1060 3gb(which actually was reasonable should have went with 4 or 3.5 atleast).
No u
Fite me 1vs1!!!

Elijah Gomez
Elijah Gomez

I should add that my planned upgrade path is to upgrade whenever a x400G comes out and not banking on it being futureproof.

Jose Reed
Jose Reed

newegg used to be way better too
now it took over 24 hours for them just to print the shipping label
and in that time, a product arrived at my house from amazon

Elijah Thomas
Elijah Thomas

not sure if this is the best place to ask but can I get some good mic recommendations?
I usually sit in mumble with my mates while I work and occasionally play videogames. I'm not looking for anything fancy or expensive, but my $7 clip on zalman is starting to shit the bed.

Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

aib for 5700

Jayden Ortiz
Jayden Ortiz

I have a 2x4gb kit of it. It is on the QVL of my board and yet, one of the sticks doesn't work. It works on other boards.

Jonathan James
Jonathan James

Nvidia and Intel BTFO'd simultaneously
AMD triumphs!!
youtu.be/_fPwI0waZm
Problem with the server m8. What's the video called?

Luis Wright
Luis Wright

Buy another $7 mic

Evan Cruz
Evan Cruz

It's called "3400g vs gt1030 ddr5" there the first performs better fps

John Bell
John Bell

tierlist for cases?
i might just default to the fractal define s or something

Oliver Scott
Oliver Scott

2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
Why not fill up the DIMM slots?

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

No I'm asking you to just tell me the performance your looking at with the 3400g.
I can find the 1700 numbers elsewhere

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

I should add that my planned upgrade path is to upgrade whenever a x400G comes out and not banking on it being futureproof.
Me too that's my idea but I don't want crap too. The 2400g seems close to what I'd like but too far away from 3600.(I know 30fps difference at 150fps isn't huge.)

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

"God tier" "top tier" "medium tier" "shit tier"
Hope it helps

Xavier Campbell
Xavier Campbell

Go back there and tell them that

Brayden Powell
Brayden Powell

I'd love to but I didn't really find the mic to be that great, I kept it because it just werked. I speak pretty quietly and my voice is super bassy so I wouldn't get good pickup unless I spoke louder or tilted my head down a bit so I can speak directly into the mic. Small things but it'd be cool if I didn't have to.

Lucas White
Lucas White

Get a bm800 and a mic stand

Carson Flores
Carson Flores

It's called "3400g vs gt1030 ddr5" there the first performs better fps
That's the bitch. I want a 3400g but no one benchmarks it with an dedicated GPU.
Look at that bottleneck. CPU sitting below 40% the entire time

Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

It's going to be used for 1440p gaming/work and shit posting

Ideally I wouldn't want to go over 1200

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

Whatever fits your need
I'm getting a nzxt h700 becausd it can fit a 280+ rad and 3 3.5 hdd

Ian Kelly
Ian Kelly

Well you should get evga to email you that so you have proof. Then threaten them with legal action.
Then after you get your item for your price go file a complaint with who ever in your country handles this illegal crap.
You can't let those fuckers screw over consumers

Bentley Campbell
Bentley Campbell

Look at that bottleneck. CPU sitting below 40% the entire time
That means it supports a gpu 2.5 times better than the gt1030. Do your math bro

Samuel Nelson
Samuel Nelson

local bestbuy is selling an rtx 2080 that's on sale on Amazon for $100 less than best buy
just buy on Amazon then

Jose Diaz
Jose Diaz

if it's between the 2400G and 3400G, the 3400G has solder instead of grease, which is a big perk.

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

Intel is still better at single-threaded performance
Intel motherboards are now cheaper than their AMD counterparts
Intel doesn't need expensive RAM kits to run at peak performance
Intel can be overclocked to 5.0GHz and above
Comet Lake brings core/thread count parity with AMD at the same prices BUT WITH BETTER PERFORMANCE ACROSS THE BOARD
Enjoy 2019, AMDrones. 2020 is only 5 months away

Carson Baker
Carson Baker

my pc makes a long tone *sometimes* about 5 mins in of being turned on

i have no idea what it is or what it means.

Aiden Williams
Aiden Williams

Has anyone had success with Zen 2 on Asrock b350/b450? I keep hearing it has a lot of issues right now, from memory problems to the m2 slots being fucked.

Wyatt Martinez
Wyatt Martinez

Look at all the cables closely. There is a very small cable that needs to be plugged into the mobo.
I missed it once and nothing switched on.
Besides that make sure your PSU is plugged in at the wall :P
Really your PSU couldn't have just died. Don't you still have your old mobo and such. Test it out with that.

Yeah I'm planning to once I get back in. Thanks for the advice.

Joseph Miller
Joseph Miller

Pic related
So it's safe to say I shouldn't waste my money on this CPU then?

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David Campbell
David Campbell

Where the hell there's solder and grease on a CPU

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

why?

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Wyatt Robinson
Wyatt Robinson

Temperature alert

James Green
James Green

my pc makes a long tone *sometimes* about 5 mins in of being turned on
i have no idea what it is or what it means.
Better describe the noise.
Could be that thing called coil whine

Sebastian Lee
Sebastian Lee

Yeah you need a more expensive CPU

Angel Bailey
Angel Bailey

3x 120mm fans or 2x 140mm fans for intake? I dont really care about noise i just want the setup that runs cooler.

Jeremiah Gray
Jeremiah Gray

3x120 is more than 2x140, do the math

James Walker
James Walker

you're the first one I've heard calling this sticks a shit. I have 3600 cl18 version, (4x8) 32gb, running 3200 cl13

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

I thought 120mm was the biggest they make

Why not 3x140mm tho?

Stop copying me

Adrian Wilson
Adrian Wilson

that would require a case that supports 3x140mm intake

Thomas Baker
Thomas Baker

Just destroy the LEDs with a plier, closet homo retard

Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

Man I don't even have an intake fan grow some balls

Christopher Smith
Christopher Smith

i9 9900k or ryzen 3900 for video editing? mostly 4k and some 1080p. Editing on premiere.

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

I don't even have a case, the parts are just in a pile and I blow on it once an hour or so

Adrian Brown
Adrian Brown

Under the heat spreader.

Solder conducts heat a lot better. Grease is why de-lidding used to be a thing.

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

AMD is now better at single-threaded performance
even the cheapest X570 can handle 3900X
AMD runs fine on all RAM now
AMD better at lower clocks, temperature, power usage than Intel
next Rebrand Lake already DOA
Enjoy 2019, Intcels. 2020 is only 5 months away

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Carson Nguyen
Carson Nguyen

tfw got memed into cl14

Josiah Rivera
Josiah Rivera

Oof

Oliver Watson
Oliver Watson

tfw ordered 3900X last Sunday
tfw it will be shipped this week
tfw it is in stock beginning the 19th of July
should I just kms?

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Daniel Jackson
Daniel Jackson

Just destroy the LEDs with a plier, closet homo retard
I prefer to hide the LEDs up my butt

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Jacob Flores
Jacob Flores

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Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

Yup.

Christian Jones
Christian Jones

Wrong

David Morales
David Morales

should I just kms?
Yes. Then will me the CPU.

Ryder Nguyen
Ryder Nguyen

Adding an intake fan over the DVD drive, will help cool the vrm or will it conflict with the ziptied fan's wind?

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Daniel Richardson
Daniel Richardson

i need your help /pcbg/
after spending a bunch of money on a top audio setup
i forgot how loud my PC is under load
and i have open back headphones now....
what are some good ways to build a super quiet PC?
i have a fractal design core 500 which is a nice small case
but it definitely trades cooling and silence for its small size
ive looked at some fully passive PC cases but those are super niche and hard to find
should i just get a huge open case so the cooling is so good fans barely have to work?
(this is what i had before with a CM HAF 932)

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Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

enjoy your 4 fps gains at 1080p

Wyatt Bell
Wyatt Bell

that is absolutely disgusting

Daniel Martin
Daniel Martin

dear lord

Owen Reed
Owen Reed

according to gamer's anus the Fractal Design R6 is pretty quiet, also consider getting a fan controller.

Joseph Moore
Joseph Moore

jowforums.com/thread/71843171/technology
Am I going to have to try and decipher youtube videos like some kind of mouthbreather? Willing to read, I don't need a specific answer, just want to know what to search beyond "How 2 make motherboard werk gud with CPU for PCI passthrough and dank virtualization"

I just want a big spicy tower I can use to run a billion virtual machines on, is that so much to ask from the world?

Ian Carter
Ian Carter

hard drives
2019

Aaron Anderson
Aaron Anderson

i have a strong urge to report this post, this is outright gore.

Jaxson Thomas
Jaxson Thomas

buying obsolete tech
the 3600 kills both of them at less than 400 USD if you count the ram, the motherboard, and the price of the CPU itself.

Jackson Hughes
Jackson Hughes

Navi 14 weaker then Navi 10
Navi 20 Stronger then Navi 14 and 10
This branding is dumb

Isaiah Roberts
Isaiah Roberts

Same here, I record and get noise in my recordings. Get a 120mm aftermarket CPU cooler and set all your fan curves to the silent profile in bios.

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

will using a sata m.2 ssd disable any of the sata ports on my mobo?

Gavin White
Gavin White

C'mon don't mock me, help me

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

tfw there are no ludicrously-large passive coolers for AM4

Robert Barnes
Robert Barnes

Kills ur thread

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

its mostly GPU fan noise tho and my 980ti gets up to 80C under load so i dont want to lower its fan much either

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

put your computer in the next room over and route the wires through the wall

Cooper Adams
Cooper Adams

You're looking at a different naming system.

Navi 12 means a revision of Navi 10 (the RX 560 is Polaris 12 while the 580 is Polaris 10, if I remember right), while Navi 20 is a separate architecture.

Gavin Perez
Gavin Perez

I'm somehow worried it's your real setup

Benjamin Jackson
Benjamin Jackson

Depends, what model ziptie is it?

Mason Foster
Mason Foster

You know what, put the GPU fan slower and add a large ziptied fan blowing into it. The large fan will be much more efficient at lower speed/noise because of its size

It is, thanks

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

What's so terrific about my setup??

Random 120mm fan sir

Robert Lopez
Robert Lopez

heh ive actually done that
but i havent adjusted the gpu fans down... good idea! ill try that
im also gunna remove one fan from my nh-d15 cpu cooler because my cpu temps never go above 50C now

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Ian Allen
Ian Allen

I'm going to do VDI in my house purely because I'm autistic, this is the most Jow Forums post on Jow Forums right now answer me you cowards.

Cameron Lee
Cameron Lee

msi or asus (x470) ? for a ryzen 3700x

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

I recommend waiting for 7nm Nvidia GPUs

Elijah Gray
Elijah Gray

Nice. Please report back when you do that, and with this pic so I can know it's you

William Brooks
William Brooks

used to be

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

Oh it's a Shoelace actually. I ran out of zipties.

Caleb Hernandez
Caleb Hernandez

Build it now or be stuck waiting forever.

Tyler Thompson
Tyler Thompson

invest in a new case. it will save your ass later on

Chase Cruz
Chase Cruz

shoelaces tend to have pretty poor aerodynamics compared to zipties, I wouldn't go for it.

Aaron Sullivan
Aaron Sullivan

How Will it save ass

Isaac Sanders
Isaac Sanders

biostar

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

his fan is literally held on by a fucking shoelace

Joshua Mitchell
Joshua Mitchell

cringe

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

hello niggers

should i replace a 6700k if all i do is gayming

Ian Evans
Ian Evans

And?????

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

jowforums.com/thread/71847957/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71847957/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71847957/technology

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

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Jackson Gray
Jackson Gray

Is there any problem with the logical increments list? Way back I remember some shit talk but Im so out of the loop and I didnt see people talking good or bad about it even in its own thread. The outstanding tier is right about the amount Im wanting to spend.

Camden Baker
Camden Baker

Zoomers
Isn't it more interesting to see what kind of unique set-ups people have (as long as they work fine) rather than "glass case rgb case number #321455343"
Who gives a shit

Asher Fisher
Asher Fisher

saving this image for a gore thread.
also:
a fucking shoelace

Charles Ross
Charles Ross

where is my pc cooler edition OP

Ryan Jenkins
Ryan Jenkins

Nope because it's as unique as glass rgb fan case number whatever

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