/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
State budget & CURRENCY
Post at least some attempt at a parts list
List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming
R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional).
R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value
R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs
R7 3700X - High end, higher FPS.
R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity. Gaming w/ SMT on flunky due to software scheduling issues. See "more"

RAM:
Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum
AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

GPUs based on current pricing:
1080p
RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
RX 5700 - even higher FPS
1440p
RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games
RTX 2080ti - Highest possible FPS, but poor value
2160p (4K)
RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.
2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

Navi launch drivers have issues, esp. w/ OC. Wait for AIB if considering the XT. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power. AIB models come mid-August.

General:
PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important
SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png
NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work
Don't use Speccy
AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"

more: rentry.co/pcbg-more
prev jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology

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pcpartpicker.com/list/Q8rw9J
pcpartpicker.com/list/txrtw6
pcpartpicker.com/list/gzN2pG
pcpartpicker.com/list/bL2B8Y
browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13852748
scanproaudio.info/2019/07/12/amd-ryzen-3600-3700x-3900x-dawbench-tested-3-is-it-the-magic-number/
pcpartpicker.com/list/qsX3q4
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-Super-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti/4048vs3918
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-Super-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4048vs4045
de.pcpartpicker.com/list/PLJTsZ
youtube.com/watch?v=VrIGrUEnoVk
reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/
jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology
pcpartpicker.com/list/RfhG7W
outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
pcpartpicker.com/list/bZX3q4
amazon.fr/Dell-Optiplex-I5-4570-Reconditionné-Certifié/dp/B07BN1TJ9Y/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=dell Optiplex&qid=1563017769&s=gateway&sr=8-4
amazon.fr/Dell-Optiplex-Professionnel-Reconditionné-Certifié/dp/B0714PLFRF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=dell Optiplex&qid=1563018031&s=gateway&sr=8-3
youtube.com/watch?v=IV0TG6Wy-eQ
newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3925047&Description=5700
es.pcpartpicker.com/product/gLGxFT/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bls2k8g4d32aesbk
pcpartpicker.com/list/GG4Jjy
jowforums.com/thread/71853220/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71859217/technology

Xavier Flores
Xavier Flores

This chart doesn’t seem to include the overpriced motherboard or the high speed ram kit.

Ayden Brooks
Ayden Brooks

$100 B450 "overpriced"
$70 for 3200 Ballistix Sport
Sorry, what?

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

Let me boot up my AyyMD personal computer real quick
*click*
*chipset cooling activated* VRRrrrrrRRRRRrrrrrRRrrrrr

Ethan Williams
Ethan Williams

B450 is gimped for Ryzen 2, and AMD recommends 3733 as the ideal ram speed.

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

Don’t forget the huge latency between the chiplets.

Jaxon Watson
Jaxon Watson

report performance on the X570
report price and temperature on the X450

love it

Oliver Green
Oliver Green

pcpartpicker.com/list/Q8rw9J

yes, I should have gotten a rx5700, but I would rather live with this mistake and learn how to be more careful when considering purchases in future.
anything else I should change for something mainly for photoshop?

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Jason Miller
Jason Miller

B450 is gimped for Ryzen 2,
No it isn't. Post a single example to prove it
AMD recommends 3733
They were wrong.

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Dylan Walker
Dylan Walker

report performance on the X570
There is ZERO difference.

Colton Roberts
Colton Roberts

ok motherfucker

Isaiah Thomas
Isaiah Thomas

Take your meds.

Elijah Taylor
Elijah Taylor

pcpartpicker.com/list/txrtw6
Rate my setup boys

Michael Campbell
Michael Campbell

Then why is there a huge jet engine fan on the X570?

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

Bought to refresh my config (I have a graphic card already):

Ryzen 3600x
Asus Prime 470 updated with latest bios
LPX 3200 CL6 16GB (2*8GB)
Cryorig H5 (rad for CPU)
Fractal Define S
Seasonic M12

How bad did I fuck up?

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

Jow Forumsoys,
i returned my blower 5700XT like i was told
hoping i'd get that AIB 5700XT mid august
how did i do?

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Zachary Gray
Zachary Gray

no need for a separate cooler, use the one that comes with the CPU

Joshua Cooper
Joshua Cooper

Because of the useless PCIE-4 meme. NOBODY needs it.

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

Just did a 3600 build but didn't get a gpu yet as I'm waiting for the aib 5700's.

Now I'm wondering whether I fucked up on the PSU, which is a 550w seasonic focus platinum.

If the aib cards are gonna be like 250-300w, would that still be fine? I know the 3600 uses less than 100w so I should be alright, or am I missing something?

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

recommend me some decent 2x8 3200 cl 16

Xavier Brooks
Xavier Brooks

Has any solution been found to the Ryzen 3700X temperature problem?
It's too damn hot

Isaac Mitchell
Isaac Mitchell

Good, now buy a 2070S before you find out aib costs $100+ more

Xavier Scott
Xavier Scott

Fucked up buying a 10 year old PSU that can't handle high power GPUs, otherwise ok.

Brayden Perez
Brayden Perez

2070S
oh nononono

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Jayden Gray
Jayden Gray

comparing last gen intel to current gen amd
comparing at base clocks because intel can OC and AMD can’t
compares 9 games weighted identically even though majority are dead single player games with no longevity
doesn’t include the cost saving for intel being able to use slower ram

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

he fell for the intel is hotter meme

Eli Cooper
Eli Cooper

Put a massive cooler on it.

Juan Morgan
Juan Morgan

Why is there water on the fans?

Benjamin Jenkins
Benjamin Jenkins

4/7, could be much improved.
pcpartpicker.com/list/gzN2pG
See how this suits your fancy.

Camden Ward
Camden Ward

Direct die cooling. Remember: the actual chip that does the work in the new Ryzen is about the size of a micro SD card.

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

underclock it

Logan Young
Logan Young

I have a 9900K and a 3700X. The K series has way more potential for being fine tuned than the 3700X for overclocking "ramclock/timings/ringbus clocking and core speed/undervolt". I'm taking the 3800X back as it has absolutely no overclockability.

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Jonathan Lee
Jonathan Lee

able to use slower ram
$20

Cooper Baker
Cooper Baker

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Ian Hall
Ian Hall

3700X? Why would you want to overclock a 3800X? Just return your 3900X, it's slower in gaming anyway!

Josiah Cooper
Josiah Cooper

No 10nm desktop until at least late 2021, Poozen is still Poo. What a sad time for CPUs.

Ian Morales
Ian Morales

I meant 3800x not 3700x

Carson Reyes
Carson Reyes

2133 ram
YEAH FAIR COMPARISON THERE

Gabriel Harris
Gabriel Harris

I assume you used the same RAM, but they weren't the same clock speed in both rigs.

Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

Good choice, the 9900k is for real workloads, the 3800x is for screenshotting your cinebench run to post on reddit.

Alexander Morgan
Alexander Morgan

Nothing new here.
It's the "EVGA" Logo.

Jayden Diaz
Jayden Diaz

pcpartpicker.com/list/bL2B8Y
Recommendations? I’m buying parts on eBay to save some money before I go back to Uni.

Samuel Collins
Samuel Collins

I wanted to get an MSI b450 board for 3rd gen ryzen, specifically the gaming pro carbon AC. Now I read that they fucked up with the BIOS. Is it safe to say they'll iron this one out or should I wait and see what happens?

Connor Perry
Connor Perry

You can tune a 3800x plenty, you're just an idiot. Or rather, a dumb incel.

Tyler Cruz
Tyler Cruz

what seems to be the problem here?

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

They were the same sticks, it didn't read it right because i manually set the speed and timings respectively.

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

Decent CPU architecture doesn’t need fast ram.

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

KEK

John Collins
John Collins

It's the other way around, 9900k is for retarded gaymers who do no serious work, 3700x is for budget oriented people who do real work, and the 3900x is king.

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

yeah it's great when undervolted @4.0 GHz, barely over 60 watts, perfect for my HTPC to stream Netflix and Hulu

Blake Perez
Blake Perez

Manual overclocking actually gave worse results compared to PBO.

Jayden James
Jayden James

it didn't read it right
Fuck off it read it fine, you just set it up wrong.
browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13852748

Hudson Wood
Hudson Wood

Who cares. 14nm+++ will still btfo poo2 anyways

Evan Price
Evan Price

follow the instructions to the letter

You don't even install a CPU, memory or graphics card while updating.
meaning don't attach anything other than a PSU, monitor and keyboard to your mobo while flashing it

Owen Diaz
Owen Diaz

Geekbench score is 20% RAM on ANY CPU.

Christopher Brown
Christopher Brown

Decent CPU architecture can make use of fast RAM.

Carson Turner
Carson Turner

No

Nathaniel Murphy
Nathaniel Murphy

No they're not wrong, 3733MHz isn't even in that image. Regardless it also depends on CAS

Logan Cook
Logan Cook

People who do real work aren’t budget orientated.

Nicholas Powell
Nicholas Powell

nvidiot getting jewed hard
NO REFUNDS

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

I too, enjoy paying more money for inferior products.

Hurr durr, only rich people can do "real work"

Justin Walker
Justin Walker

Just bought an RTX 2080 for $20 cheaper than the RTX 2070 Super with a huge eBay sale. How did I do lads.

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

old card gets replaced by newer card with much better performance
still the same heat output, EVGA can use the same highly competent heatsink and fan setup
That's why I only buy EVGA. Can't wait for my 2080 Super.

Parker Sanders
Parker Sanders

king of poo?

Landon Scott
Landon Scott

Decent CPU architecture doesn't bottleneck your RAM

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

Yes, those people buy a 3900x which blows a 9900k the fuck out in everything that matters.

Jonathan Ramirez
Jonathan Ramirez

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Jason Green
Jason Green

Is it bad that I have to connect my CPU power through the back and through the cutout, making contact with the back of the motherboard?

Joshua Anderson
Joshua Anderson

I agree

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Brayden Lee
Brayden Lee

Geekbench memory is a huge part of the score, dumbass. It has nothing to do with the architecture, it's a retarded benchmark and even author admits it. A 3600 with fast memory can get close to 5900 SC, the fag that posted the 3800x score gimped it on purpose.

Hunter Green
Hunter Green

Yeah I'm sure going to 3733 would give a HUGE jump in performance.

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Leo Jackson
Leo Jackson

Oh no no no no
PooMD has better drivers than nvidia btw

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Carson Gray
Carson Gray

paying more for relatively the same cards but renamed to their lower counterparts to make them sound better.

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Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

Hey lads
Music fag who’s been waiting to build his pc for fucking ages now, argued with lots of you about this and that, haven’t had internet access for a week or so and to DAWbench marks are finally here from *the* quintessential reviewer for the industry.

scanproaudio.info/2019/07/12/amd-ryzen-3600-3700x-3900x-dawbench-tested-3-is-it-the-magic-number/

Needless to say I will be buying the 3900X, genuinely seems like unless you are a faggot who plays video games then AMD covers every base unless your are needing the sort of power that comes from the 9980etc stuff which is very very few users.
AMD stand up,I was originally considering the 9920 for £1200 which put my build to around £3k and AMD brings equivalent power and brings the build to around £2300, money which will be spent on other very relevant gear.

Brilliant.

Christian Carter
Christian Carter

That's not what I meant. I mean the fact that they have shitty 16MB chips on their mobos that cannot handle zen2 code and have now rushed a new shoddy beta bios out of the door that disables certain features

Brandon Gray
Brandon Gray

3600 with crap timings is barely better than 3200 with good timings. And nothing was done with tuned subtimings. Retarded test.

Noah Bell
Noah Bell

pcpartpicker.com/list/qsX3q4

got any tips my lads?

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Ethan Hill
Ethan Hill

Just roll back the drivers. If you cannot do such a simple task, you are literally retarded.

Luke Parker
Luke Parker

Well since a 9900K blows the absolute fuck out of a 3900X for gaming, "Which 90% of everybody who buys it is going to do". I think your reasoning is a little flawed. A fine tuned 9900K in single core is unbeatable. see

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Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

early drivers aren't optimized
this is news
low energy

Brandon Kelly
Brandon Kelly

quad channel getting btfo by intels duel channel

kek

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

Yeah go on, spend all that extra for 0.7% more performance retard.

Ryder Scott
Ryder Scott

the new BIOS will fix it anyway

Christian Campbell
Christian Campbell

calls people faggots for playing video games
buys $3k pc to make music
unless you make 10k a month you have no excuse

Asher Davis
Asher Davis

Buying a $300+ CPU for the sole reason of gimping it

Adrian Wilson
Adrian Wilson

how can they get even worse than at launch?

The GSkill Aegis is the only memory model that I've ever really had problems with, maybe get Ripjaws V instead. Also there will be an updated 2080 in a few weeks.

Hunter Perry
Hunter Perry

Don't forget the scheduler update
Atleast 15% more fps

Kevin White
Kevin White

Stop shitposting and answer me

Easton Butler
Easton Butler

Whatever nerd
You get one life and spend it playing games have fun with that loser

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

Welcome to Jow Forums, where being retarded on purpose is a sport.

Samuel Morgan
Samuel Morgan

Stock vs stock, there's a 5% difference at 1080p. We will see "tuned" benchmarks a couple of months from now when people completely figure Zen 2 out. I bet that the 9900k won't blow anything the fuck out. If it does, farmer manbabies and literal children should buy it, I guess.

Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

just wait

Evan Howard
Evan Howard

The test says that the 3900X still has the latency issue because of the multiple chiplets though?

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

you mean Jow Forums
it's literally site culture

Logan Flores
Logan Flores

saying all of this on Jow Forums
>>>Reddit.com

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

that's some massive damage control

Christian Nguyen
Christian Nguyen

spend $1000 on a PC
yeah who cares about that performance just compromise

Caleb Jackson
Caleb Jackson

0.7%

Jack Young
Jack Young

trying this hard
please go eat some cow dung or some other staple food pajeet, you sound anermic

Jordan Morgan
Jordan Morgan

Damage control? Nah, AMD is retarded, that's for sure, but that doesn't entitle you to be moronic as well. Rollback, or buy NV.

Christian Edwards
Christian Edwards

hello my newfag friend

Levi Wood
Levi Wood

I'm saying the test is far from thorough, not that buying expensive memory is worth it. I want to see the effect on 0.1% lows, that's where tuned timings and sub timings with fast memory helped the most.

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

Depends on buffer size and the issue is gone. It easily competes with the price counterpart 9900 and has an upgrade path potentially. It is clearly the best choice for the money and genuinely seems like an amazing option, and this is a field where intel has historically had a massive advantage. The DSP and Kontakt charts are more than enough.
Although a good case is made for the 3800, I don’t use buffer sized low enough to impact properly often.
Ok fag

Nathan Cook
Nathan Cook

Is it true the 2070 Super is better than the 1080ti, and that the 5700 XT is better than the 2070 Super while being cheaper? How the fuck

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

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Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-Super-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti/4048vs3918
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-Super-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4048vs4045

Michael Lee
Michael Lee

Wow even AMD's perfect design can't fix that shit movie game.

David Diaz
David Diaz

I bought a MSI Optix MAG271CQR (27'' 1440p 144 Hz) so I want to get a new PC for it and I'd like some input from you guys: de.pcpartpicker.com/list/PLJTsZ

- Should I invest some more in a modern Motherboard? I've read that the MSI B450 is having problems with the new Ryzens
- I'm planning to put the Accelero Xtreme IV on the GPU. Will it have problems with the stock 3600 cooler or RAM? Or should I wait™ for the AIB cards?
- Should I get more case fans?

Jason Parker
Jason Parker

AMD ages like fine wine.

Waiting isn’t a meme, it’s a legitimate strategy.

Landon Morgan
Landon Morgan

1. yes
2. no except maybe Forza Horizon 4

Sure, I didn't mean to persuade you from getting the 3900X I just thought the test didn't seem very exhaustive to me. We know the 3900X has a lot of power but the actual audio production test had 2 or 3 charts and that was that.
I hope you are getting the Asrock X570 creator for that sweet thunderbolt connectivity though?

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

GCN aged like fucking dumpster milk, Fine wine is a thing of the past circa 7970

Grayson James
Grayson James

AMD ages like fine wine.
nice pun

Grayson Lopez
Grayson Lopez

do i need to upgrade to windows 10 for the new ryzens or can i stay on 8.1?

Jace Cruz
Jace Cruz

So since an OC'd core clock 5700 XT matches a 2080 FE without touching the memory clock, is there any reason to buy an Nvidia card for gaming? Why not get a good cooler and slap it on the ref 5700 XT or wait for AIB versions then overclock?

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

CUDA

Cooper Richardson
Cooper Richardson

Thunderbolt is obsolete USB 3 is more than fast enough.
Those tests are the tests used to benchmark audio he only other ways are to stack programs and count when it craps out which no one is willing to do.
I just thought I’d join in the shilling by providing a rare format benchmark because I was very mich expecting bad results but AMD just basically saved me enough money to fully kit out the acoustics of my studio and maybe even a simple synth for fun and games.
I don’t know which mobo I’ll get I recently got a new place with no internet so I’ll be properly pricing and planning on Tuesday. Best X570 mobo on the market right now? I’m not very tech savvy but looking for top of the line (within reason, not more than £300ish).

Also I read somewhere that AMD doesn’t support W7, is that true? Because if so that sucks dicks, but isn’t a deal breaker

Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

Vega 56 has the lowest price per frame out of all the gpu's at this moment. Are you retarded ?

Aaron Hill
Aaron Hill

"matches" in dirt 4, Performs like dirt in everything else.

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

So for Gaming/Streaming shelve out for 3900x or just get a 3700x ?

Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

Not as retarded as the guy that buys buggy AMD video cards. I like my shit to work.

Angel Roberts
Angel Roberts

No, it matches it in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, in which the 5700 XT doesn't perform better than average, as far as I know. Power consumption isn't bad either, only 250W for a massive overclock.

Juan Reyes
Juan Reyes

Depends, does anyone actually watch your stream?

Jace Barnes
Jace Barnes

Drop the aftermarket cooler and get faster ram and a case with airflow

Nicholas Diaz
Nicholas Diaz

Holy shit
youtube.com/watch?v=VrIGrUEnoVk
2070S fags on suicide watch

Owen Jackson
Owen Jackson

Isn't the 1660 Ti already obsolete due to the 2060 Super?

Isaiah Thomas
Isaiah Thomas

sapphire rx 5700xt nitro+ when

Ryder Edwards
Ryder Edwards

They're in entirely different price ranges. But don't buy a 1660ti, Navi 14 has the same amount of shaders, clocks as well and will cost way less.

Aaron Richardson
Aaron Richardson

Ikr? It also doesn't include the mandatory $1000 1000watt industrial chiller for the intcel chips

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

I'd simply get the Asus WS Pro X570 ACE or the Asrock Taichi. Both aren't cheap but you get a lot of features for the price. Best lower price X570 board seems to be the Gigabyte Aorus Elite for 200$.
You can run windows 7 on ryzen, it just doesn't seem wise to do so.

Gabriel James
Gabriel James

I understand why they do it, and it's handy
but it's also concerning that these days they have to put stuff like "lower is better" in these graphs
says a bit about the target audience they're trying to reach

Jack Perez
Jack Perez

I'm getting a 5700 XT Toxic, that's going to be a beast.

Ayden Davis
Ayden Davis

Or maybe constantly inventing new metrics and standards every three or so months has made it so that very few consumers are ever actually well-informed for any length of time, which is easily proven by looking at the average Jow Forums thread.

Connor Hughes
Connor Hughes

Why is it not advised?
I’ve been debating between totally copying my old hdd onto the new build and re installing everything manually on W10 which is a very long task.
If W7 is unstable then I guess it’s one to start from scratch, which is probably for the best bur fuck is that long and tedious.
Thanks I appreciate the advise a lot, now is a great but tough time to be making decisions.

Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

depends on your build
i think the issue is that the voltage and boost is too giddy.

under full load and at a 4.2GHz boost my 3700X sits comfortably at around 62C.

but when doing minor tasks it will up the voltage to 1.4 and boost to 4.4GHz which is what I think is causing the heat, cause my temps during that shit end up being roughly around the same as full load.

maybe a voltage offset would work.

Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

that's actually a very good point
in this specific case I felt like "cost per frame" would be obvious enough
although it is a rather dumb metric imo

maybe these metrics are made up by all the various crappy "hardware review" websites in a desperate attempt to stay relevant/special/unique
throw enough shit at the wall and your metric might be the one quoted in a more respectable article and who knows, you'll gain traction

on the other hand technologies have advanced to a point where it really is difficult to judge some of there things
there was a time when frequency was all you looked at, then cache was a thing, but then you ended up having to understand how the different levels of cache work, and so on

Tyler Hall
Tyler Hall

actually in my case the voltage is going up to 1.5 during minor tasks.

hopefully an update will address this

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones

So up until recently i was an intcel.
I have about a 700$ budget and I want to jump onto the ryzen bandwagon
I want to buy an 3700X but I can't really decide on what mobo and ram to buy.
What do you guys recommend?
I work in the video game industry, btw so I'll be using it mostly for rendering and 3d modeling

Ayden Price
Ayden Price

Windows 7 is simply outdated. It's missing features that Windows 10 has out of the box and apart from the instand search it's worse in every regard.
Also it's pretty much a legacy product and will be EOL in 2020 (next year). It's like using XP when Windows 7 was out for over a year in terms of age.

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

maybe a voltage offset would work
Nope, even a tiny offset tanks performance.

Brayden Lopez
Brayden Lopez

Just ask your boss to buy you a Ryzen Workstation I guess? Why are you paying this yourself? And if you are your own boss why be so tight on budget if your income depends on this machine?

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

apparently AMD are recommending to download their chipset and use their power profile if you're a windows user, might be worth checking out.

Tyler Thompson
Tyler Thompson

wtf guys spoonfeed a retard

Daniel Thompson
Daniel Thompson

That’s a good point but it’s safe to say I don’t care for W10 at all and have no desire to change anything except performance of my machine. Look at pro studios, they will have a machine that runs fine and doesn’t connect to the internet, only updating when necessary or a feature is introduced that is necessary. Although many of these will be running Mac, not that there is any real difference in this scenario.
Maybe it’s childish of me but I’ve. never once used W10 and found something easier or more simple than on W7, maybe it’s habit but it doesn’t really matter because good end results are all that matter.
Thanks user!

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

Your work bench is one thing, your home machine where you do you personal projects or stream stuff is something else. Plus I only need to buy cpu/mobo/ram, the rest doesn't need an upgrade so my budget should be ok

Ethan Garcia
Ethan Garcia

So, does Prime day usually have any really good deals on pc parts?

Would be nice to grab a 5700 extra cheap

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/
tl:dr:
Use the new Ryzen Balanced Plan, it has better performance and properly sleeps inactive cores.
Stop using monitoring software, it is constantly waking cores from sleep and not reading voltages correctly. Use Ryzen master if you need to monitor anything.

Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

meant to respond to

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

Rate my ghetto case.

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Michael Martin
Michael Martin

I don't think that does a very good job of collecting dust

Chase Russell
Chase Russell

What's going on here?
Does Nvidia think they're so far ahead the can load textures at half resolution and be fine?

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Christopher Parker
Christopher Parker

jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology
I haven't been keeping track of GPUs for years - are AIBs singificantly more expensive than the reference after launch?

Dylan Wood
Dylan Wood

So what should I buy for a psu, which isn't too expensive?

Jonathan Hall
Jonathan Hall

there you go
pcpartpicker.com/list/RfhG7W

Jeremiah Cox
Jeremiah Cox

No

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

It has 24A on both 12V rails, why wouldn't it handle a high end GPU?

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

I'm not but what I've observed over the past two months, is that PSU prices have become fucked. All of them are overpriced, with fewer MIR and promotional prices than before.

Ryder Barnes
Ryder Barnes

Get a 3600 or 3600x, then spend more on a graphics card.

Oliver James
Oliver James

If i wanted 32GB of RAM for my build, should i use four 8GB 3200MHz Ripjaws V CL16 sticks?

Jace Roberts
Jace Roberts

Is a seasonic focus 650 gold good? What should I take for a psu, bought a 3600x and I want to be able to put a beeffier card in the future.

Josiah Price
Josiah Price

230$ for the x570 Gaming Plus where i live
Is this a joke?

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

How about you show us your build and then we can comment?

Camden Gray
Camden Gray

Quad > Dual

Sebastian Nelson
Sebastian Nelson

When people say "streaming" what are they referring to?

I've been trying to decide between the 3600, 2700x and the 3700x and every review I have read claims that the 8 cores are better at streaming with no explanation of what streaming is.

This setup will be for heavy multitasking and some gaming.

Jace Powell
Jace Powell

outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
Keep in mind PSUs don't work at 100% efficiency and you want to have more than what's needed

Eli King
Eli King

Oh noes.
Is Nvidia cheating again?

Kevin Lopez
Kevin Lopez

one moment

Michael Gutierrez
Michael Gutierrez

both 12V rails,
There's the problem. Group regulation with multiple rails is garbage.
You need ONE high amp rail that can deliver at least 95% of the total output wattage.

Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

What's a good 30-35$ cooling solution for Ryzen? Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 is already too pricey for me. Silence at idle is the most important point, then temperature

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Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

The stock cooler you dumb anime poster.

Connor Flores
Connor Flores

The Wraith Prism is shit at idle noise, fuck that trash

Adrian Perez
Adrian Perez

Then don't expect to cheap out.

Lucas Lewis
Lucas Lewis

jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology
He's just trolling you to shill Nvidia, or retarded.
Vega 56 Pulse is great out of the box.

jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology
Wait for Sulky Cope.

jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology
I'd at least get a slightly better board like the Tomahawk or the newly revised TUF.

jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology
Are there motherboards that can be updated for a ryzen 3600 without a cpu installed?
Yes, some. Just look for them. You won't find it on super low end $70 boards, but some $100+ boards have it.

Mugen 5 is a bit more for much better.
for $35 I guess the best is the pure rock or arctic freezer 33.

I think that must be some sort of bug with the DLSS implementation.
But even in the best implementation, Metro Exodus, it's still worse than 1800p+CAS.
CAS is surprisingly impressive. It's like worse FXAA lmao.

Someone made a reshade plugin for CAS but I'm not sure it performs as well as the native Navi implementation or if it's exactly as good, but it'll work for Nvidia GPUs.

Focus Gold? Yeah it's pretty good.

No you should always stick to 2 for a dual channel IMC.

Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez

That's a shitty picture. Everythings a blur

Eli Reed
Eli Reed

look at the tank, even with a "shitty" picture you can clearly see the difference

Jason Sanchez
Jason Sanchez

jowforums.com/thread/71850854/technology

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Sebastian Cook
Sebastian Cook

Yeah it's pretty good.
I was reading about it, and it seems it has problems with certain GPUs.
What should I buy? Is corsair a good brand? Is 80+ label really something that matters?
What would you buy for a 3600x-based rig and something like a beffy GPU, like a 2080ti.

Joseph Gonzalez
Joseph Gonzalez

MFW there's no list for B450 M-ATX boards.
Fuck lads I'm trying to convince my friend not to go for a shitty gigabyte board and spend a few quid more but I have no idea what to recommend for under £70.

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

There's no downside to having them be PWM controlled by temperature.

Mason Baker
Mason Baker

MSI

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Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

Is 80+ label really something that matters?
The 80+ label is the efficiency rating, and yes it does matter

Daniel Gray
Daniel Gray

pcpartpicker.com/list/bZX3q4

pcpartpicker.com/list/bZX3q4

this is what I came up with so far. I take it I should be fine with a 620W power supply? I think I gonna wait for AIBs 5700 XT or go with 2070 super though

Joshua Cox
Joshua Cox

Just earlier I was told seasonic M12 are 10 years old design and I should choose something else. But what? I don't know.

James Lopez
James Lopez

The issue was only with a specific GTX 970 model, and the Vega 56/64. And with these only models that were made before January 2018.

Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

There isn't really anything in the way of power supply innovation.

Jeremiah Gonzalez
Jeremiah Gonzalez

Left: The original build have at the moment from 2014.
Right: The currently planned systems refit.

I'm considering increasing the total RAM to 32GB, I can currently get the 2x8GB sticks seen on the right for 97$ on sale, (normally they go for 202$ over here). I'm not sure if i should roll with getting two of these, as the motherboard (230$) supports four channels, I need the extra memory for the windows i usually keep open for the day, however I am currently unaware of any economical choices for 2x16GB.

I'm still not sure if i should wait for the brand releases of the 5700 cards without the blower design, otherwise the current options i have are the 1660 Ti (usually 366$ or above), Vega 56 (316$ to 475$), possibly the if it's on sale, the Vega 64 (448$ to 476$ otherwise), RX 580 (175$ to 310$), RX 590 (typically 265$+).

Updating the GPU would mean I'm considering upgrading the monitor as well, to a 144 Hz 1440p display, however i haven't studied the technical aspects of monitors in a long time therefore i'm unsure as to what i should choose. The only thing i would be worried about is colour accuracy and the scale not being at 24/25 inches.

Lastly, the power supply. The total wattage of my current system is about 450W, whilst the estimated wattage of the updated part list I have currently selected is about 310W. I have never encountered any issues with my power supply to this day, even at full load or cutting power whilst sleeping/hibernating the system chronically, or vacuuming the tower. Regardless, just to be safe, what would be the most reliable choice were i to update the PSU?

The workload my system takes up usually consists of lots of chrome tabs, explorer tabs containing images, general tasks in Maya and Cinema 4D and the associated rendering and modelling, compiling maps on the Source Engine, using Vegas Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, Substance.

The budget dedicated to the upgrade i'm aiming for is 845$ to 1300$.

Any suggestions?

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Xavier Watson
Xavier Watson

I'm trying to upgrade my pc to get better performance playing RUST
I've decided on i7 7700k and would like to get 144hz monitor as well. Will it be bottlenecked by gtx 960?
Will buy an ssd for aswell since it takes forever to load.
Is it worth upgrading to ddr4 from ddr3? I need at least 16gb.

Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

Was thinking about buying this pairing it with a rx570. Thoughts?
amazon.fr/Dell-Optiplex-I5-4570-Reconditionné-Certifié/dp/B07BN1TJ9Y/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=dell Optiplex&qid=1563017769&s=gateway&sr=8-4
Or maybe this one?
amazon.fr/Dell-Optiplex-Professionnel-Reconditionné-Certifié/dp/B0714PLFRF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=dell Optiplex&qid=1563018031&s=gateway&sr=8-3
The first one has 16gb ram but the second one has peripherals included.
Asking for 'muh gaymes' like kcd, Fortnite, etc.

Eli Jenkins
Eli Jenkins

no 9400f
How to tell a chart is utter fucking bullshit. The 3600 is just a waste of money at this point considering the 9400f offer the same/better gaming performance for much cheaper.

Adrian Edwards
Adrian Edwards

performance on old xenon is dogshit with the new(ish) security patches.

Zachary Rivera
Zachary Rivera

I actually meant a refreshed M12II 620W EVO version, which came out around 2013 and wasn't listed on pcpartpicker, but I dunno if it makes much difference

Landon Myers
Landon Myers

But these are i5s not xeons. I was considering buying into the optiplex meme since any decent new build will probably cost over 600/800

Wyatt Rodriguez
Wyatt Rodriguez

overpriced mobo
Runs fine on B450 boards and cheapest X570 is like $150, so whatever you choose it's still cheaper.
high speed ram kit
Not needed anymore, it's only a bonus.

Juan Morales
Juan Morales

youtube.com/watch?v=IV0TG6Wy-eQ
Just for (You).

Josiah Campbell
Josiah Campbell

Wanting to upgrade my GPU from a 780TI for £400~, from the looks of it an AIB 5700 XT would be a decent bet when they come out?

tfw stuck with a [email protected] for the forseeability future.

Jayden Smith
Jayden Smith

how can I flash the new bios on an old board with a new cpu ? I'm buying a new x470. Can I access the bios without even installing the cpu ?

Nathaniel Harris
Nathaniel Harris

you install nothing on the mobo before flashing it, nothing

Dominic Jones
Dominic Jones

Guy that had issues with his PSU not powering on with new mobo last night, here.

Turns out that one guy that called me a retard was right. I had plugged the power switch cables into the wrong jumpers like a twat. I want to blame the chinglish of the MSI diagrams, but I was being a dummy.

Thanks for everyone else's input, though

Gavin Davis
Gavin Davis

Legit asking here. Why is Super even a thing? They could've done 2060Ti and 2070Ti, did Jensen watch too much Dragon Ball?

Nathaniel Perry
Nathaniel Perry

So they can sell you the same card twice, a 2070 Super is just a 2080.

Ryan Hall
Ryan Hall

Jensen watch too much Dragon Ball
Next year, we'll have a 2080Ti Ultra(Instinct)

Jason Bailey
Jason Bailey

Super(powa by 2020!)

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

flood of build questions
none are answered
kek

Nathaniel James
Nathaniel James

msi shills pls kys

Blake Bell
Blake Bell

Radeon XT Gold Edition vs 2070 Super

Some AIB that does both AMD and NV should consider doing a

Radeon 5700XT Golden Freeza edition and a 2070 Super Saiyan Edition.

Jayden Barnes
Jayden Barnes

because all of them are "should I buy this or that?"

Julian Hall
Julian Hall

thats the whole point of these threads though

Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy

And it's beautiful

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

just bought an msi board
they are just now releasing new updated versions with more memory for the BIOS
Did I fuck up or does it not matter at all.

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Henry Gomez
Henry Gomez

Newegg has the 3600X+5700 in a combo deal for $40 off.
newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3925047&Description=5700
Google Express also has 20% off up to $20 for first time order for lots of stuff like RAM.

CPU will bottleneck it and not get 60fps smoothly in lots of newer games.
checks link
A 4570 is pretty shit. 350euro is fucking expensive for that too WHAT THE FUCK are you doing.
It's hilarious when people think they're getting a deal on some used stuff and instead they're actually paying more than new, better components are.

Jensen loves the car name sounding stuff and the 1660Ti wasn't selling very well.
That's also why they have chrome nameplates.

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

The UI of the bios really doesn't matter, all the features are the same.

Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

oh no, muh bios graphics, what will I do without an animated flaming dragon in my bios?

Thomas Lee
Thomas Lee

Wait so literally the only difference is that I'm missing out on being able to use a mouse in the BIOS?
lmao who cares

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Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

My build is a r5 3600 with a 5700XT 1 ssd and 1hdd.

Elijah Johnson
Elijah Johnson

and they won't support non max versions in the future

Aaron Hill
Aaron Hill

Jow Forums is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.

Gabriel Hill
Gabriel Hill

just as much as /his/ is not /pol/ with dates

Samuel Miller
Samuel Miller

Read the OP

Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

paying more
Same price.
for relatively the same cards
More performance.
but renamed to their lower counterparts
????????????????
make them sound better.
Is better.

Are you trolling or actually retarded? The 2070S is a strict improvement over the normal for the 2070 at the same price.

Lincoln Martin
Lincoln Martin

Don't tell lies on the internet.

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

I am thinking about upgrading my intel pentium g5400 to a ryzen 3600 or 3700x. does someone know how much % increase that would give for the turntime in the games civ 5 and 6?

Ryder Jackson
Ryder Jackson

When will I be able to play Destiny 2 again

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Sebastian Thompson
Sebastian Thompson

Depends how well that game uses threads.

Mason Davis
Mason Davis

but that's exactly what Jow Forums is + fanboy wars

Kayden Garcia
Kayden Garcia

Apparently you have to wait for a BIOS update. Why that one game needs something so major I don't know.

Isaac Lewis
Isaac Lewis

what are some good portable drives?
is WD elements portable any good?

Wyatt Jones
Wyatt Jones

looking to update my gigabyte mobo to protect against MDS vulns
the fucking qflash doesnt accept its own official bios in the bios update
used @bios wich looked sketchy as hell
found the solution for the bios update
"dude dont click the next arrow just doubleclick the file lmao"
SERIOUSLY considering using this gigashit mobo as a coaster, jesus fucking christ

also
samsung and other OEM mobos havent had a single revision for MDS patches ever, ever and never will
my paranoia will get me to buy AMD, yes surely still this year

have you guys updated your intel rigs before selling them?

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

Is the EVGA supernova gold G+ 650W a good PSU ?

Christian Jones
Christian Jones

sure whatever

Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

should i just return my tomahawk and ryzen if i can't get it to work?
after so many tries with no results i'm kinda getting buyers remorse and thinking that since i just want gaymes i should have just gone with the 9700k.

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

evga, so no

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

if it has a 80+ cert its fine

Robert Phillips
Robert Phillips

what sthe problem? also post the actual name of the stuff

i bet you got something that needs bios update to work. loads of that around here

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

MSI aren't done with the bios updates and it would be pretty fucking catastrophic for the if they can't get it to be 100% reliable as the Tomahawk is by far the most popular board for Zen 2.

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

wd green, intel 600p and anything kingston a400 has shit controllers and will fuck its write speeds

i duno those elements tho. if its new it could be trash, it could not be. google some reviews of it and try to find a tech inside look to see if its worth it

Kayden Carter
Kayden Carter

what are some decent entry level speakers?

Noah Diaz
Noah Diaz

Got a ryzen 5 2600 for 60 bucks because the packaging was damaged lmao.
Combined it with an MSI B450I gaming plus AC.
Currently running it with my 2x8gb ram with the 2993 or whatever xmp profile and msi's gaming mode (OC's to 3.85 I think? Atleast based on CPU-Z). Temps seem fine with the stock cooler.
I flashed the latest stable bios and installed the amd chipset driver, anything else I should tweak to get some more performance out of it?

Isaiah Powell
Isaiah Powell

b450 tomahawk and ryzen 3700x
the bios seems to flash fine but it only works first boot. i do a save and restart in the bios and cpu debug led turns on and i have no singal on my monitor
the thing is i need to remove everything from the mobo every time i want to try flashing again and i feel like eventually ill just fuck up the cpu taking it out of the socket and putting it in again so many times

Christian Adams
Christian Adams

excuse me what the fuck?
isnt it a windows scheduler issue? doesnt setting only one chiplet for the game fixes it?

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

you either fucked the mobo or the bios update

after flashing bios the mobo was supposed to power cycle, did it do that?

Grayson Nelson
Grayson Nelson

Serves you well for siding with AMD and their Pajeet curry tech.

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

yep. it always seem to flash perfectly fine the problem is that only the first boot works
starting to agree

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

I just ordered (I have a graphic card already):

Ryzen 3600x
Asus Prime 470 updated with latest bios
LPX 3200 CL6 16GB (2*8GB)
Cryorig H5 (rad for CPU)
Fractal Define S
EVGA Supernova G1+

How bad did I fuck up?

Carter Long
Carter Long

I'm waiting for the aib 5700's.
Why? They'll likely cost more.
The blower on the non-XT is fine.

Those stickers are going to fall off from the heat, is the problem.

You're an idiot.

he paid 20% more than a 5700XT for a <10% performance increase since it's surely not an A-die card.
You did

OC you RAM.

Why would you return the CPU instead of just the board?

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

I'm gonna install my new motherboard and 3600 now, wish me luck!

Liam Perez
Liam Perez

literally shouldnt be happening, what other stuff you have on the mobo? the PSU is sufficient of course?

LPX 3200 CL6
amazing typo
what GPU and monitor? i think its all fine there

Isaiah Cooper
Isaiah Cooper

I'm not even kidding or shilling. From my own personal experience Intel/Nvidia just works. AMD doesn't. I remember when I decided to give them a chance and bought 280x. The amount of fucking headaches and RMAs I had on this thing was mind blowing. Sure Ryzen is better than Intel atm, there is no denying. But the fact that you basically need to do a fucking 100 page long research including mobo vrms, cas timings, compatibility issues, voltages etc. just to proof everyone else that AMD isn't as fucking dogshit as it seems to be for an average normie is laughable.

Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

The blower on the
grandpa i told you to always use your hearing aids

Caleb Long
Caleb Long

Your complaint is about AMDs backwards compatibility, if you bought the latest chipset like you are forced to with Intel there is 0 issue.

Xavier Gutierrez
Xavier Gutierrez

PC is 10 years old
while weak I'm still very happy with it performance wise in my games
however it's extremely loud
Too bad it's like a jet engine, I guess I'll get the 3400G.

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

amd does suck because now even their CPUs come overvolted
i swear they develop their stuff to be water chilled instead of cooled by their own "excellet" standard coolers

Jackson Nguyen
Jackson Nguyen

it's a 650w corsair psu
seems pretty normal comparing to reports on plebbit
because atm i'm a pissed off nerd with buyers remorse
if i don't get this sorted out soon i'll go intel again no doubt
they're disgusting jews but i have always had intel and never had problems. first time i try amd and this shit happens

Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

as opposed to buying a 8th gen cpu for a 7th gen mobo?

or a 9th gen cpu for a 8th gen mobo and need to flash but cant?

Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez

see

William Mitchell
William Mitchell

5700 XT
Yes keep living in that AMD shill land where everyone plays Shadow of Tomb Raider to be 10% behind 2080/2070 super while you're beaten by a 1080 GTX in games actually played by human beings (GTA5/PUBG/Rainbow Six/Skyrim or Fallout games)

Joshua Cruz
Joshua Cruz

yeah and i thought that was supposed to work

Isaac Brown
Isaac Brown

cant wait for intel GPUs and play all my emulators flawlessly because intel cares

Connor Lee
Connor Lee

Prime 470 is kinda eh, cooler isn't really needed, G1+ is good but price can be questionable.

Caleb Richardson
Caleb Richardson

should i buy the 3700x or a 3600 and get the wraith prism on ebay?

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

seems pretty normal comparing to reports on plebbit
damm thats sad, what i heard is mostly power delivery issues, not flat out incompatibility issues

id say you might get a bios update to fix these issues since its a common problem, if you cant RMA just keep it until then

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

PC is too loud
buy new CPU instead components that make the noise

Brandon Lewis
Brandon Lewis

Found out recently that there are desk chairs with fans in them, which got me wondering: are there any mice with fans in them for ventilation?
I use a palm grip and my hand get sweaty pretty quickly even if I'm not overheated just from leaving it on the mouse too long.
A good mouse is essential in any build, right?

Parker Cook
Parker Cook

we tell you to not waste money on rgb builds and you want to waste money on a fucking desk fan instead of a proper cooler?

Jayden Wright
Jayden Wright

should i buy
whatever fits your pockets and needs, literally do the maths youre self

Ryan Bailey
Ryan Bailey

seems noone knows anymore how to oil a fucking fan

Logan Hughes
Logan Hughes

did you got a flashing usb, doubles?

Aiden Rodriguez
Aiden Rodriguez

I have a 1070 and a 1440p monitor, I'll upgrade down the road once there are better prices on GPUs, or once there is a new generation.

I got thie G1+ in a good deal. Prime 470 will be enough.

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

a320 mobos can do excelletly with 2700x and can work with 3900x
but wont because power delivery is shit
the whole power delivery circuitry is like 20 usd
B boards are 40~100 usd expensevier
wait a minute

why arent there A nad H mobos that have good power delivery if they are this cheap?

Samuel Ortiz
Samuel Ortiz

this is guy is insufferable

Jonathan Bailey
Jonathan Bailey

The GPU is a house fire, the PSU and HDD make significant noise too. Swapping Case fans didn't help much.
I'll just get an entire new 500€ PC and be happy for another 10 years

Mason Roberts
Mason Roberts

You replied to the wrong post and/or you didn't read my post at all.

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

just get a fucking AC

Samuel Scott
Samuel Scott

Will newegg flash mobo bios for zen 2?

Cameron Nguyen
Cameron Nguyen

I'm about to spend $552 on the Aorus AD27QD. Anything I should beforehand?

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

What's a 5700 XT with an aftermarket cooler and Powerplay Tables looking like for 1440p? I'm trying to get 144 fps.

Christian Richardson
Christian Richardson

Anything I should know beforehand?*

Christopher Green
Christopher Green

Any reason not to get the Ballistix Sport LT instead of the usual Ripjaws or Vengeance LPX?
The Ballistix are 10€ cheaper.

es.pcpartpicker.com/product/gLGxFT/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bls2k8g4d32aesbk

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

Just bought a used 8400 and B360 board off Kijiji. Man fuck Ryzen and AMD's anti-consumerism.

Mason Phillips
Mason Phillips

i belive only microcenters do this atm
they should do this service for you but expect to pay for it

apparently you wont get more that 100fps but the use of sharpening can force it to go higher

you will need a 2080ti for 1440p120+

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

Muh $600 gaymen 1440p/144Hz monitor without real g-sync when Nvidia is the only hardware producer that can even run those frames at those rates
Top notch retard.

Isaac Cook
Isaac Cook

Just starting my research now to build a new gaming PC. I am trying to keep it around $1200 + monitor. Are there any recommended builds? I was thinking 3600 + GTX 1660.

Caleb Wood
Caleb Wood

But it's future proof right? It will be worth the price once AMD graphics come up to par?
They are already closing the gap.
It also has a great IPS panel with good contrast and refresh rates.

Joshua Young
Joshua Young

you will need a 2080ti for 1440p120+
That's unfortunate. Thanks for the info.

Grayson Powell
Grayson Powell

What kinds deals came out for the 1600 and 2600?
When would be the best time for me to buy the 3600 and what price can I expect?

Adrian Lee
Adrian Lee

tfw slugged along with a 3570k for years because of lagging CPU advancements
now have a 3700x,samsung B die ram, and a Radeon VII and my desktop runs like a dream

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Connor Miller
Connor Miller

Just bought a used 8400 and B360 board off Kijiji. Man fuck Ryzen and AMD's anti-consumerism.
Lol.

Kevin Morgan
Kevin Morgan

based retard

Parker Bennett
Parker Bennett

Bruh I'm still using my 3570k. Going the same upgrade path as you minus the GPU towards the end of the year because I have a 'don't buy electronics a few months after release' principle. I can't wait.

Ethan Nelson
Ethan Nelson

waiting for parts I've ordered to arrive feels worse than waiting for parts I want to release did

Christian Hall
Christian Hall

So am I not a retard anymore?

Robert Smith
Robert Smith

AMD graphics come up to par
When? Okay let's assume next gen of Navi 20 will be able to run current games at 1440p and 144 fps with decent details. What happens with better looking and more demanding games released by then?
The monitor itself is nice, IPS with HDR and Freesync if you want to hope that AMD one day will be able to actually compete in high end market is really good.

Aiden Myers
Aiden Myers

Which manufacturer tends to have the least restricting fan control? I don't care about it being smart, I just want to be able to set any RPMs without the BIOS refusing to go too low for safety reasons.
That'd be on an X570 ITX board by the way. Thanks.

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Samuel Turner
Samuel Turner

pcpartpicker.com/list/GG4Jjy
Like it or not, this is what peak performance looks like. No case, because I have an old beige tower I'm going to drill and thread for ATX.

Nathan Miller
Nathan Miller

pcpartpicker.com/list/GG4Jjy
Not even subtle.

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

A 2080 or now a 2080S will probably get you ~120 on high in most games even if you need the 2080 ti to get 120+ in max settings.

Luis Wright
Luis Wright

0 poptarts

Logan Ross
Logan Ross

What happens with better looking and more demanding games released by then?
The cards are able to run those games at 1440p/144Hz and the monitor purchase is worth it?

The monitor itself is nice, IPS with HDR
This was actually the main factor in my selection and it was the best I could find in this price range. Everything else is more expensive.

Eli Turner
Eli Turner

all 1k and 2k are piss cheap because used market
after a big holiday expect most 3k processors to be somewhat cheaper. expect to spend ~350 for 3900x, maybe less for non x versions

Oliver Hill
Oliver Hill

I'm actually going to buy this, I need it for virtualization shit. The stuff I do ends up being CPU heavy, so I only really need the GPU to run the host and shiitty gaymes.
I'm pretty sure the GPU will be the bottleneck here but idk.

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

do i need the install the cooler if i just want to check that the system boots? it's getting pretty annoying

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

What's the best way to mitigate the <25% VAT in Europe when acquiring Graphics Cards, Motherboards, or RAM?

Ian Barnes
Ian Barnes

ill be honest with you chief.
cool it with your hand. if you cant, consider it punishment for not having sufficient thermal paste

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

buy used or ask the seller to mark as used?
some chink sellers do this

Brandon Green
Brandon Green

After a big holiday?
I heard some folk talking about tech being cheapest in January rather than black Friday and cyber Monday.

Jaxon Miller
Jaxon Miller

what the hell does this mean, Jow Forumsoys
is my old faithful dying ?

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Connor Wilson
Connor Wilson

What do you mean annoying?

Adrian Moore
Adrian Moore

hey i have the same card under the MSI brand
let me bench it too on my packed system

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 2 x 8 Go 3200 MHz CAS 16
MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT
Seagate BarraCuda - 6 To - 256 Mo
Samsung Serie 860 EVO 1 To
Corsair Hydro Series - H150i Pro RGB
Corsair Crystal 570X RGB Tempered Glass
Corsair RM750x v2
Mainly for 1440p 144hz gaming, wants to last something like 3+ years with it and run everything, should I upgrade something like RAM or CPU/GPU ? Thanks for the help

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

go to jail

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

Alternatively, do we have documentations on what board uses what fan controller? I know some controllers will refuse to make the fan spin under 30% or so even when the fan's starting voltage allows it.

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Ryan Powell
Ryan Powell

mine isn't a 280x it's an xfx hd7970 black edition, which also has the same score as the 280x on there
why would it perform so poorly ?

David Carter
David Carter

kinda true because thats after xmas
cyber monday ofc is when tech stuff is advertised so you will see a lot of discounted but expensive shit. once you get off season sales you might get actual fair priced hardware

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

everytime i flash the bios i need to remove everything supposedly

Kevin Thompson
Kevin Thompson

Opinions on the 2011 platform in general? What about this ching chong card?

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Dylan Lopez
Dylan Lopez

you are good user. expect the 5700xt to almost rival rtx 2080 performance once you removed the frequency cap

Jack Jones
Jack Jones

water cooled
glass
look, i actually like rgb and i think you should have it, but honestly get a non glass case with good airflow, consider a nice heatsink and maybe a 3700 or 3800x since its a relative little upgrade that can futureproof you for more that 5 years

also why not gen 4 nvme

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

you flashed a b450 for ryzen 3k series with no cpu on it? what?

Grayson Murphy
Grayson Murphy

get rgbs with no glass side panel
???

Jackson Cox
Jackson Cox

You should wait for nonref Navi cards with actual drivers. AMD forums are filled with complains about those bricked dust blowers and if you fall for buy now trickery you deserve to suffer.
Buying an expensive $200 mobo is absolutely retarded and pointless. Only GPU in the world so far that even breaks PCI-E 3.0 x8 limitations is 2080 Ti and it will be years before we go beyond 3.0 x16
Corsair is shit and works really badly with Ryzen, often failing to even achieve advertised clocks and timings
Buy an actual m.2 that tends to have 6 times faster read and 2-3 times faster write speeds than that outdated garbage.
AIO is pointless
Corsair PSUs are all garbage with bad capacitors that are simply popular because they're cheap.

Hudson Fisher
Hudson Fisher

will not overclock afaik

James Myers
James Myers

that's how you flash a bios

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

are you gonna stare at your PC all the fucking time?
i have 3 rgb fans, they light up my room. its hella cool and i dont have no glass panel nowhere on my case

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

they light up my room
sounds fucking awful

Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

gotta undervolt
and watercool
and now wait for new drivers
imagine this on a fucking console

Aiden Gomez
Aiden Gomez

not like i cant turn them off

Jordan Morales
Jordan Morales

pcpartpicker.com/list/GG4Jjy
It's only slightly better than a 1050Ti now days.
A $130 RX570 is much faster while using less power.

The blower on the XT isn't good enough. It'll get hot/loud. Wait for partner cards if you're not going to mod the cooler yourself.

Yes, some boards do that.

Jace Wilson
Jace Wilson

just benched mine, 3 weeks ago i removed about five years worth of dust on the GPU, cleaned out any remaining dust within the immediate vicinity of the components and the components themselves, did some dusting of the room as well, installed the hyper 212 on my 4770K, applied some arctic mx-4 thermal compound

not sure if the latest drivers currently available for the card have any negative performance impact as much as any potential registry rot

Brody Young
Brody Young

did you changed thermal paste and pads?
likely they already cured

Gavin Campbell
Gavin Campbell

The latest 19.7.1 AMD drivers are lowering performance on GDDR5 cards. Don't think it's affecting HBM and GDDR6 cards, though. You should be using the previous version on older cards.

That dude is using 17.1.1 though lmfao what the fuck? You should use 19.5.2 or something.

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

It means you're comparing your old GPU with old benchmarks that were done using pre-gimped drivers.
jowforums.com/thread/71853220/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71853220/technology
AMD is Nvidia now.

Liam Nelson
Liam Nelson

Yeah it's a good build for the aim at the price bracket.
Only things I'd comment (not necessarily criticising) are:
3700x is more future-proof (but 3600x will get you definitely more than 3 years )
you aren't doing anything wrong by going for an X570 motherboard, if you don't already have an AM4 board - don't get memed into buying outdated mobos if you're building new at more than shoestring
look into getting E-die or B-die RAM instead of hynix die (Trident Z Neo might be a more affordable B-die withinin a month at 3200/16) - but this is a minor thing since ryzen 3000 supposedly plays well with all types now
consider an NVME/m.2 over a Sata SSD - you don't need to be a PCIE 4.0 generation early adopter, but good NVME beats SATA easily
you don't need watercooling for a 3600x, evena 3700x is easy to aircool with a good CPU and non-retarded case choices.
I don't know if your case is good or not - in general one side that's glass is not too much of a loss to airflow, but if more than one side is glass it could be iffy for getting quiet airflow with good temps
reference (ie: blower fan) AMD GPUs are frankly bad, especially if your case isn't optimised for their cooling - waiting for third party options will certainly net you better, easier cooling (and likely more RGB)
you don't need 750w for the build, 650 is plenty

Tyler Brooks
Tyler Brooks

forgot pic
did you changed thermal paste and pads?
i just removed the stock cooler, used rectified spirit to remove the dried up stock thermal compound, prepared to install the hyper 212, applied the new compound, installed the cooler in my zalman z3 case, and that was it

reduced temperatures at full load from 98C to below 70C, reduced noise levels down to 40-30DB even on higher voltages

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Oliver Sanchez
Oliver Sanchez

reduced temperatures at full load from 98C to below 70C, reduced noise levels down to 40-30DB even on higher voltages
noice
anyway if your GPU were dying you would have actual issues rather that lower performance

Ian Diaz
Ian Diaz

Yeah it's flashing the bios right now

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

I currently have 17.1.1 as those were the most recent one available for the R9 280X, I remember i had a handful of problems back in the day after updating to the newer drivers with the new Radeon Settings and everything, i think i remember in GPU intensive tasks when i first got my system back in very late 2014, it did run noticeable faster. It might just be my imagination, or registry rot. I'll get back to you on that. I might consider taking a look at applying new Thermal Compound on the GPU as well.

Jason Davis
Jason Davis

I'm moving to my uni dorm and am thinking of buying a used dell Optiplex. Does anyone know if you can swap out the stock cooler with an aftermarket one?

Thomas Jackson
Thomas Jackson

mine too (for the thousandth time)

Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

what's the specs and model number?

Blake Johnson
Blake Johnson

Optiplex 7010 small form factor version.
i7 3770 with 8GB of ram. I'm not really concerned about the performance since I'll probably not play any games on it. Though it will be nice to add a SFF GPU as well.
Am contemplating on getting an ITX build in case I need to do anything computationally intensive.

Noah Bailey
Noah Bailey

So the red light stopped flashing but the mobo still seems to be on, can I safely turn off the psu now and install the cpu?

Lucas Russell
Lucas Russell

Isn't 17.1.1 the latest one you can get unless you're on Windows 10?

Carson Brown
Carson Brown

i think it's supposed to reboot
anyways good luck user my patience is about to run out with this piece of shit board

Bentley Reed
Bentley Reed

For GPUs you can probably fit a low profile GTX 1050 ti, like the Optiplex 9020s can, or wait for a low profile GTX 1650 to come out which should be soon. Full size or mini GPUs won't fit the SFF.

I don't know much about the cooler, but you shouldn't need to swap it out even if you're gaming. It isn't a common upgrade to my knowledge, unlike the GPU.

Ayden Hall
Ayden Hall

jowforums.com/thread/71859217/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71859217/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71859217/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71859217/technology

Luke James
Luke James

cooler compatibility depends if Intel made the motherboard standardised for the motherboard standards of that CPU generation, or just made their own proprietary one with fewer/no upgrade paths
that's something you'd need to find the specific answer for on that model of computer
case is too small to hold upgrades
again, you could look at whether it's possible to take out the innards of that computer and put them in another case, but that's a question for the specific computer

Tyler Ortiz
Tyler Ortiz

Also, I've heard some 7010s have compatibility issues so the 9020 is preferred. People also prefer the two fan GPUs because of the tight space, like what MSI makes. I think it installs into the PCI-e 4 slot instead of the 16 but it isn't a problem.

You shouldn't have to update your power supply unless it's under 250 watts, despite 300 watts being recommended for those GPUs. Updating it would suck because of proprietary connections and the very small space.

Jonathan Carter
Jonathan Carter

not by much, but they sure are worth their value more than blowers

Lincoln Perez
Lincoln Perez

ordered an XFX 5700xt, couldn't find benches for the difference between thermals of the saphhire/asus/powercolor ones, should i cancel and order one of the others instead ?

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Ethan Sullivan
Ethan Sullivan

Now I'm wondering whether I fucked up on the PSU, which is a 550w seasonic focus platinum.

You should be OK. Most people overestimate how much power they need. Your PSU won't be in the best part of its efficiency curve (they're usually happiest at 50%) but it's still warrantied up to its full power rating, so whatever

Parker Russell
Parker Russell

difference between thermals of the saphhire/asus/powercolor ones,
there isnt any

Leo James
Leo James

is there any difference in anything at all ?

Liam Evans
Liam Evans

now take the electricity cost over the cpu lifespan into consideration, smartass

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

no just different brands

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