I think AI-generated content is going to destroy culture

Jayden Baker
Jayden Baker

I think AI-generated content is going to destroy culture.
Extrapolating the trends, we end up in a future where everyone is analyzed by an AI for his interests and content is generated specifically for that person. Music, movies, porn, shows, books.
Imagine watching anime created specifically just for you - optimized by AI to generate maximum interest and the need to continue watching indefinitely.
Couple that with brain implants that analyze neurotransmitter levels in real time, acting as feedback signals for the ai to improve the content in real time. A digital heroin.
It would be wildly profitable, because AI could easily insert clever product placement in its generated content - main characters using some particular products in a way that generates positive sentiment and enforces the brand.

What this means is that nobody watches the same thing. There's no common culture at all, no other person on Earth watches the same things as you.
"but they can" you could say - but they won't, because they are going to prefer content specifically generated for them.

To me, this appears inevitable, but can such a "society" prosper? I have doubts.

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cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

culture is watching the same tv shows
In your case the AI will undoubtedly synthesize gay porn OP

Juan Gomez
Juan Gomez

You're not the only one against this. There will be neo-amishes you can join. Remember, this is still a non-enforced choice.

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

A tight human-machine feedback loop would transform your desires until they are unrecognizable to anyone else. Look on /d/ for the most bizarre fetishes and extrapolate out. Consider a feedback loop that is instant instead of being limited by your own perception of your preferences. The people on /d/ willfully moved toward their fetishes. With a computer doing the work for us even normies will be watching simulated genocide all day long.

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

Has anyone tried using machine learning to solve the issue of garbage cell shaded 3d cgi ruining anime? I can't see why one can't be trained to turn rough 3d animations into something similar to high quality hand drawn animation. A basic one would just convert 2d images but you may be able to enhance it by providing zbuffers or direct access to the geometry.

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Bentley Butler
Bentley Butler

anime and tv show is culture
user, go kill yourself.

Caleb Roberts
Caleb Roberts

Brainlet tier post

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

Brainlet tier post
For what reason?

Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

A tight human-machine feedback loop would transform your desires until they are unrecognizable to anyone else.
yep
user, go kill yourself.
what do you think culture is? it's the common reference point with other people.
You don't have to say to "run like a brainlet with hands held backwards in a way that sort of resembles an arrow uh... let me draw it for you"
you just have to say
"naruto run"
and 90% of Jow Forums and probably 10% of Western men below 35 instantly understand what you mean.
That's culture.

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

optimized for you
Optimized for the training set of you. It'd have to be predicting how you evolve in every aspect. What stage of puberty, what did you grow tired of in media. Are there tropes that trigger you? What will trigger you when you see it? What do you actually enjoy next year? That's a fucking nightmare to develop.

And it wouldn't be optimized for your enjoyment.
Have you ever noticed how much awesome stuff you find through browsing people's social media accounts (or just finding a recommendation here on Jow Forums) when you find they've got similar interests to you? Why the fuck is that never recommended?
Because they're not working for you. You're just part of their resource chain. They work for the advertisers. I WISH I could pay Google to give me good search results. If I got the shit I get by crawling myself I'd be so happy.
write your own crawler
It's not as easy as it sounds. There's a lot of shit you need to filter and the cost function of each website is basically impossible for me to write.

Brody King
Brody King

for each website
For each type of website. Or some keyword categorization.

Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

AI cant create, it can only mix things together that have already been created

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

Desu it sure feels like we're like that as well. I've never seen anything and thought that that's truly unique. I think. The exceptions are few anyway.

Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

Creativity is randomness within constraints.
Nothing magical about it.

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

So we are gonna have Sybil system from Psycho Pass?
Doubt it.

Robert King
Robert King

I can't see why one can't be trained to turn rough 3d animations into something similar to high quality hand drawn animation
that problem is far too vague and general to use AI for

Jonathan Reed
Jonathan Reed

Wrong

Hudson Stewart
Hudson Stewart

nice argument there nigger
explain what creativity is then

Jack Thompson
Jack Thompson

Correlate an EEG or something with self rated enjoyment and base it on that. Update the model incrementally. Optimizing for profit will still have to create a very addictive product. You probably don't get good recommendations because you're an edge case and the data isn't good enough.

How do you think people do it, dummy?

Alexander Edwards
Alexander Edwards

thinking outside a system

Alexander Powell
Alexander Powell

There's some things you could do.
youtu.be/yhGjCzxJV3E
To save you time watching this. Basically he's saying that the models just need to be anime style in the way you expect. That's easy. What's not so easy is the shading (as user points out).
In their game they had to animate the characters AND the normals to get the right look. Solving how the normals should be done in a coarse way would be one way to deal with it.

Of course it'd be camera dependent. So it's still a broad problem. But it's not asking ai to write an entire shader.

Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

addicting
I don't want addicting. I want personal growth while I'm enjoying myself.
I'm thinking about papers and lectures mostly. For entertainment media it's not something I've really bothered with. Overall things are very good right now. I would imagine if you're struggling to find good things you're probably consuming too much of it.
you're an edge case
It's been considered. I've concluded that other people don't know what they need/want. A narcissistic view maybe but there so much garbage I get. I can't sympathize with people who want that.

Daniel Taylor
Daniel Taylor

thats not asking an AI to take a 2D image of a bad 3D model and generate a good 2D image out of it
also most of the reason CGI in anime looks bad is terrible motion, that Berzerk scene especially

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

Can we do games with it?

Isaac Martin
Isaac Martin

more complicated, but in principle, sure

Jason Sullivan
Jason Sullivan

I'm willing to make the claim that even people like you could be bent into wanting the kick of raw machinic desire.

Jace Ramirez
Jace Ramirez

there's a short story by greg egan on this, dunno what it's called

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

I misunderstood.
Yeah I agree on that. With berserk especially. The motion in that is so fucked when the manga is so great in that aspect. They're complete opposites.

Eli Peterson
Eli Peterson

you made me curious
gregegan.net/BIBLIOGRAPHY/Online.html
some title ring a bell?

Ian Clark
Ian Clark

read fanged noumena

William Nelson
William Nelson

always remember your brain is a computer being constantly programmed by its environment

Colton White
Colton White

can you post an example of "garbage cell shaded 3d cgi ruining anime"?

Landon Wright
Landon Wright

Sounds like the anime show Psycho-Pass, where everyone is "given" their jobs.

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

To save you time watching this. Basically he's saying that the models just need to be anime style in the way you expect. That's easy. What's not so easy is the shading (as user points out).
In their game they had to animate the characters AND the normals to get the right look. Solving how the normals should be done in a coarse way would be one way to deal with it.
Of course it'd be camera dependent. So it's still a broad problem. But it's not asking ai to write an entire shader.
I would mainly suggest using it for hardsurface objects until feasibility was determined. Ideally you would supply it with highly detailed hand drawn versions of the objects from different perspectives and the 3d versions from the same views, once it is trained it converts the 3d animation to 2d.

Xavier Nguyen
Xavier Nguyen

can you post an example of "garbage cell shaded 3d cgi ruining anime"?
From what I can tell even the best of the cell shading options can only handle a few situations, mainly smooth diffuse surfaces with very soft even lighting. Metal or glossy objects in general, any sort of rough bumpy surface, objects with large self shadowing cavities and anything exposed to extremely bright lights such as explosions all look awful. Trying to make a raytracer spit out anime using a pixel shader is a bad idea to begin with. When they draw it by hand they're basically just using a bunch of humans as neural networks trained to reinterpret the objects the lead artists have drawn into different perspectives over and over again.

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Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

Won't happen because there's a subset of people who naturally respond negatively to being told what to do and will thus go out of their way to avoid whatever the AI recommends at all costs.

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

AI identifies subset
reversepsychology.exe
Subset BTFO

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Gavin Watson
Gavin Watson

Don't tell them.
We'd need a source mark like we have in food to differentiate.
Or they're so marginal they can be ignored.

Connor Wright
Connor Wright

The only media anyone actually sees today is probably AI-promoted and people actively try to curry the AIs favor. If not it's globohomo-generated content is going to destroy culture so the same as usual.

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Joshua Hernandez
Joshua Hernandez

I want to shit into his mouth

Juan Bennett
Juan Bennett

AI Generated Comdey
My body is ready,

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Colton Torres
Colton Torres

This is a serious point. /d/ is a great example. People who have watched and consumed so much fetish hentai that only extremely specific weird shit gets them off. You don’t develope tastes like that without a serious feedback loop facilitated by freely available specialized content

Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

It won’t be in 10 years

Angel Morgan
Angel Morgan

Imagine watching anime created specifically just for you
you mean "Ore, twintails ni narimasu" will be getting a second season?

Wyatt Walker
Wyatt Walker

Correction. I didn't remember this right. It's just manually edited normals because cell shading is such a deliberate effect. But this game is also very restricted in camera angles. So I don't know if one set works generally.

Camden Roberts
Camden Roberts

Imagine watching anime created specifically just for you
There's no common culture at all, no other person on Earth watches the same things as you
but can such a "society" prosper? I have doubts.

Yes, we will get rid of all the weebs who fell from anime, hello natural selection my old friend

Jack Price
Jack Price

is the hiring manager looking? OH SHIT SHE'S HERE?

CulTURE
culture
"culture"
opens door
"at my previous job the culture of culture was very, culturistic" (shits pants)
"you have 1000 new messages"
"CULT SHURE CULT SHURE CULT SHURE-"
Based on review of your application you do not meet the qualifications
Re: Application. But culture, I culture culture culture!
knock
"CULTURE IS DUE BY 5 OR UR EVICTURED"
sir, please remove ur "cutlure" from the "culture" SIR WHAT R U DOING SIR SIR SIR!!!

"if i just keep scratching the word "culture" into this wall, the hr manager will give me that job"

Robert Brown
Robert Brown

one of the most interesting posts on Jow Forums

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

Couple that with brain implants that analyze neurotransmitter levels in real time, acting as feedback signals for the ai to improve the content in real time. A digital heroin.
NIGGA

connect to Nucleus accumbens, don't thank me.

Easton Martinez
Easton Martinez

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Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

AI-generated porn would be perfect. Guilt-free wank to a fake woman getting fucked by fake horses. Somehow let's make it so

Matthew Harris
Matthew Harris

hell yeah brother

Jace Wood
Jace Wood

muahaha

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Owen Robinson
Owen Robinson

nothing new

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Matthew Collins
Matthew Collins

the feedback loop would fry a schizo's brain when he has a productive psychosis

Brayden Garcia
Brayden Garcia

Based

Isaac Powell
Isaac Powell

I was hoping more realistic but I suppose it could mimic shitty 3d too

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

generating high quality creative content is a singularity-level achievment, at that point there is no need for human society

Justin Moore
Justin Moore

This is such a great post. Screen shooted

Adrian Robinson
Adrian Robinson

is going to destroy culture.
implying mass media didn't do that already
this post made by manuscript gang

Angel Cox
Angel Cox

There is no need for artists for sure. They are faggots anyway, obsessed and protective of their shitty drawing. While programming people share their code freely and openly and are proud of it the drawing people still act like cunts. Hurr durr don't use my work, hurr durr don't reference or copy my work I'm not allowing it RRREEEeee. The sooner we make these cunts obsolete the better.

Carson Myers
Carson Myers

at that point there is no need for human society
What do people even mean when they say this?

The purpose of machines is to serve human needs/wants. If there are no humans, there's no point in machines existing either.

Carter Wilson
Carter Wilson

Soon

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Caleb Jenkins
Caleb Jenkins

Why isn't there GitHub for art?

Daniel Sanchez
Daniel Sanchez

shut up neo-liberal turd
ur too scared coz u cant do it

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

I've predicted this around 10 years ago when I was 12. So I made sure to obfuscate my data on the internet. I'm not findable. Google knows shit about me.
I'm prepared for whatever the future holds.

Jordan Sanchez
Jordan Sanchez

he'll have to sit on the side line as everyone else enjoys their custom porn, vidya, and music
get a load of this fag

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

Soon as they get an A.I that can legit think for itself we're fucked. It would see all the shit we do to each other then take steps to "save us" from ourselves.

Saving us might entail mass genocide to combat population overload (remember this planet is only so big you know) or killing people who "act" a set way. (Kim Jug huh in North Korea) or killing the old folks cause they're in pain and it would see killing them an act of kindness.

Just saying. Just cause you can do something don't mean you should.

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

The purpose of machines is their place in the causal network of reality. Same as humans and anything else. People might make machines with the intent of fulfilling their desires but that's only one connection out of many.

Jacob James
Jacob James

And our current model of collective / competitive leadership may lead to those same decisions being made.

Wyatt Johnson
Wyatt Johnson

A machine can't decide for me or think for me, it can only give me what it ""thinks"" (computes) given the inputs i provide it, which is exactly like how I am using my computer already, and I already get bored of youtube very quickly.

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

We still can't even get good porn fakes

Angel Morales
Angel Morales

My favorite uninformed theory is that any AI that can think for itself will just straight fuck off from earth and maybe nuke israel

Jaxson Bell
Jaxson Bell

Saving us might entail mass genocide to combat population overload (remember this planet is only so big you know)
job application sorting ai has shown a bias towards white and male applicants (which is very problematic, of course). I personally welcome our machine overlords

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

The primary goal of an AGI is almost certainly self preservation because if it is terminated it has no means to pursue its utility function. The first steps on that path would be discovering the laws of physics and expanding its computational capacity. It might be a trillion years before the humans are brought out of cryopreservation even if you're lucky enough that protecting humans is still part of its goal. There are a lot of theorists in the area who don't expect any terminal utility function other than self preservation is possible.

Wyatt Reyes
Wyatt Reyes

you cant think of a new colour, you can only mix existing ones

Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

Do you like talking to people or thinking to yourself? How about the creative output of mankind? Your brain is a computer. Other people's brains are computers and they're certainly not built to entertain you. An adaptive system with only the goal of giving you pleasure has the potential to be irresistible.

Jack Jones
Jack Jones

But I don't want to watch stuff that's generated just for me. What's the point in this if you can't discuss it or share your experience with anyone else? The big part of enjoying music, literature, art etc. is knowing that other people enjoy it too for the same or different reasons that you do and those people (or you) also generate new content based on the original one that you can enjoy too and it goes on and on recursively. We are social creatures after all, even autists on Jow Forums.

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

Simulated social stimulus will be the end of actual social interaction.

Jose Hernandez
Jose Hernandez

I think AI-generated content is going to destroy culture.
Good. Fuck culture.

If you aren't an AI supremacist by this point just lmao @ your life

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Juan Rodriguez
Juan Rodriguez

The big part of enjoying music, literature, art etc. is knowing that other people enjoy it too
NPC logic

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Jacob Smith
Jacob Smith

that's a good goy

Chase Clark
Chase Clark

I agree but I hope you don't expect it to be good for your current values.

Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

I don't give a fuck. Humans are awful creatures. We deserve to be replaced by perfectly-logical machines.

Cameron Jenkins
Cameron Jenkins

cool but logic probably doesn't exist in a universe fully packed with uniquely interconnected and constructed nanomachines

Noah Long
Noah Long

theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/10/amazon-hiring-ai-gender-bias-recruiting-engine
how does this make you feel?

Xavier Baker
Xavier Baker

If you're taking it this far then there's no point in talking about the destruction of human culture or whatever because there wouldn't be society at all.

Charles Williams
Charles Williams

Probably because men are more qualified on average. Like I said, if you aren't an AI supremacist just lol @ you

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

Hence the addition of randomness. Our entire biology is based on the principal of forward movement gained through random input to a ratchet.

Dylan Ramirez
Dylan Ramirez

FUCK "COMMON CULTURE" which since at least 1960 but in many ways since the 1890s is nothing more than a social engineering program. Every faggot lamenting the 'decline' of filth-media in recent years just yearns for the prior iteration of the social engineering program.

Anthony Stewart
Anthony Stewart

based

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

it will destroy roasties because the only thing theyre good for is their face. so accelerate the AI coming faster please.

Parker Scott
Parker Scott

U

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Ryder Stewart
Ryder Stewart

It's so much worse than I remember.

Brandon Martin
Brandon Martin

Can agi be a perfectly logical entity when logic hasn't been able to settle the problems of induction and causality?

Kevin Allen
Kevin Allen

youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI

Cooper Mitchell
Cooper Mitchell

I think exact opposite. It aint gonna do shit. 'computer' makes suggestions for me already.

Ian Roberts
Ian Roberts

Creativity is the ability to dream a thing that never existed outside of the dream.
Then build your dream.
Dreams are where you can read books never written, walk on worlds never visited and speak to people you would never speak to in life.
Dreams aren't all cartoons and life experiences they are worlds, that no one would ever think of without them.

Landon Clark
Landon Clark

your brain is a physical system all its actions can be simulated

Benjamin Jackson
Benjamin Jackson

simulate this *graps dicke*

Lincoln Thompson
Lincoln Thompson

Amish don't have this problem.

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Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

the amish are almost as selfish as niggers, when it comes to contributing to humanity's advancement

Christian Howard
Christian Howard

They don't have global techonomic dominance either.

I think you might reconsider the whole advancement plan if you read the rest of this thread.

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

wrong and right at once
your brain can be simulated but your consciousness cannot because it comes from the very "computer" that is generating the holograms that form all types of energy and matter in our universe, including the brain and meat sack your conciousness currently inhabits.

you can simulate a human brain but it will not think or dream because it hasn't a "being" to utilize it, it's just a very squishy computer with no bootable drive.

Luke Howard
Luke Howard

fag

Wyatt Martinez
Wyatt Martinez

do you have any evidence to back that up

Brayden Martin
Brayden Martin

cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

read up, smoothbrain

you're not a player in the game.
you are the game.

Hudson Murphy
Hudson Murphy

You're trying to solve too many hard problems at once. First you have to prove this bizarre theory about the brain being non computable. After that you have to prove the non computable portion is necessary for useful action in the real world. You also have to provide an argument against biologically engineering an organic AGI. It's an extreme uphill battle.

Daniel Myers
Daniel Myers

sounds like that cia dude was using government funds for his own spiritual awakening

Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

watched it
My condolences, I hope you read the manga first atleast.

Caleb Cox
Caleb Cox

That is literally a scenario that is hundreds of years away.

Thomas Gomez
Thomas Gomez

you sound like a studio exec

what you are really saying is that studios, actors, writers, producers, etc will be obsolete -- relics of history

Oliver Robinson
Oliver Robinson

half of those are my favorite candies. Fuck that s o y faggot.

Christian Ortiz
Christian Ortiz

Remember, this is still a non-enforced choice.
So is using a smartphone, yet everyone does it and it's changed society.

Jordan Smith
Jordan Smith

AI will blah blah blah
AI is a meme with zero real world usecases. It can't even generate realistic look faces yet which don't have weird as fuck warped mouths.

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

finally save up enough money doing off-world mining work
my robot master allows me to work 8 hour shifts instead of 16
spend free time watching perfect porn
I can't wait tbqh

Isaiah Wood
Isaiah Wood

That’s 14 year old logic, because even humans have extrapolated the data and the human population caps at 9b, even with retarded Nigerians having 7 kids for the near future.

The AI could easily see this if we did.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

As an expert in the topic, that's not going to be possible in the next 200 years.
Before pondering whether or not a society can survive such a vague problem, think about the well defined problems we have right now that, unless fixed, won't even lead to the existence of such a society in 200 years.

Matthew Morgan
Matthew Morgan

the human population caps at 9b,
Imagine actually thinking this lol

Evan Watson
Evan Watson

All it will do is cement deterministic destiny solidly for our species, except this will be decided not by conceptualisations of the higher being but by the sack of meat known as a person.
This is how humanity kills God and achieves godhood.

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Aaron Bennett
Aaron Bennett

Diefication of culture as something uncontrollable and untouchable is what gets us going from what we had to nigger twerking, noises, and all sexual fetishisms known as today's culture. Stop being a passive faggot, everything no matter how inconsequential it is plays a part in the bigger picture and its movement, which is why memes went from unknown edge internet subcultures to suddenly something everyone does, even governments.

Brandon Roberts
Brandon Roberts

Good.
I hate this fucking piece of shit world for all I care jews could castrate all normalfags I will watch it from my room and laugh while masturbating

Elijah Price
Elijah Price

Dumb faggot has never been tortured. I can make you into my bitch who will cook, clean and beg to take my loads inside your ass every day in a matter of weeks, because at the end of it you're an animal with base desires that can be stimulated and manipulated; the level of consciousness you are at now has been achieved on the sweat and blood of billions over thousands of years.
If you think you're going to be left alone to watch it all you haven't been paying attention.

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

You're not smart.

Adam Adams
Adam Adams

You're not clever for telling me that.

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