VPN reccomendation thread

Samuel Wright
Samuel Wright

What does Jow Forums think of decentralized VPNs?

The idea is simple, everyone can buy and sell bandwidth, and usage is automatically paid with cryptocurrencies.

I am not trying to shill some specific coins and will not mention any names, just want to talk about the diea in general.

Advantages:
- no company could sell all your data
- more efficient market should mean lower prices
- impossible for netflix,... to ban all ips coming from residental VPN server

Disadvantages:
- your traffic still goes through someone else's computer, which is not a problem for https encrypted traffic but they will be able to see which pages you visit. Possible solutions: maybe multi-hopping

Who could benefit from them?

- people in developing countries where the internet is heavily censored
- people who want to access geo-clocked content, eg. US only netflix series
- using it for torrenting stuff, ain'T nobody goind to sue someone running a server in russia
- .... ?

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John Perez
John Perez

What's the deal with bitmask VPN. I have a riseup account, I downloaded the riseup VPN from F-Droid which uses bitmask, but I didn't have to login.. it just seems to work.

Ethan Roberts
Ethan Roberts

Congratulations, OP. You just described TOR.

Logan Wood
Logan Wood

kek

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

so why do people still use VPNs if TOR exists?

Maybe because Tor is too slow, many sites block TOR and on other sites you need to solve captchas after every second click?

Have you ever tried watching netflix over TOR? Or searched google without having to solve a captcha after every search?

Ryan Roberts
Ryan Roberts

so a paid tor?
tor goes a step further than that and does "onion routing", where your traffic goes through multiple random people in such a way where nobody can tell where data begins or where it ends

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

T. Glow in the dark officers.

Xavier Edwards
Xavier Edwards

The other problem with TOR is that it's not going to scale to an amount of people using it comparable to the attached picture.

Now TOR works because there are enough idealists running TOR exit nodes for the current users of TOR, but there are only so many idealists around and to get more people hosting other people's web traffic there needs to be a financial incentive.

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Jayden Edwards
Jayden Edwards

Have you ever tried watching netflix over TOR?
pointless, you need to login to use netflix, so they know who you are
Or searched google without having to solve a captcha after every search?
there are other search engines

Adrian Gutierrez
Adrian Gutierrez

Yes but my problem is not that netflix should not know who I am, it is that netflix only allows me to see american-only content if my ip is from the us.

Alexander Wilson
Alexander Wilson

Maybe because Tor is too slow, many sites block TOR and on other sites you need to solve captchas after every second click?
And do you think a decentralized, multi-hop VPN wouldn't have the exact same problems?

Jonathan White
Jonathan White

there's a number of things like this already
even as simple as lists of ips running open socks/http(s) proxies you can use
a more automated and organized version of random socks ip lists would be nice

Parker Garcia
Parker Garcia

First of all it gives you the possibility what is more important, speed or anonymity. If you are willing to pay enough, you will get fast and multi-hopping, if you pay less you can decide between fast or multi-hopping.

Secondly how should google know you are using a VPN if that VPN server is running on a residental connection or a not frequently used datacenter? So also no captchas.

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Kayden Nelson
Kayden Nelson

you wanna know how sites know you're using tor?
it's because you're using publically-listed exit nodes to connect to the service
think about that, unless you run your own exit node, or know someone who does, you will be using public ones, because how else will you know about it?
they can block them for the same reason you can use them, this means that no matter what system you make, if you advertise public nodes, services can block them easily and in an automated fashion

John Cooper
John Cooper

*gives you the ability to chose what is more important, speed or anonymity.

Parker Martin
Parker Martin

but the dVPN server are not publicly listed.

After you have paid for their usage, you get connected to them, before you only need to know in which country they are, their average connection speed,...

There is not going to be a publicly available list of dVPN endpoints.

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

implying google wouldn't pay for the service just to get a list of the IPs to ask more captchas from or just use ML to extrapolate which IPs are routing other people's traffic through them

Ryder Gray
Ryder Gray

use ML to extrapolate which IPs
don't forget the visual basic gui

Luke Price
Luke Price

I'm pretty sure they don't crawl a list of TOR endpoints, it's just that they make you solve a captcha if there are too many requests from one IP.

Which could be solved if there were more endpoints per user, which could be solved with financial incentivication.

Dylan Murphy
Dylan Murphy

they might scrape public exit node lists
but i do know that they will give you captchas with excessive searches, because i've gotten it on my home connection

Evan Howard
Evan Howard

you need to login to use netflix, so they know who you are

What is a fake name and email address
What are netflix subscription cards you buy with cash from any 7/11 or grocery store

Blake Jones
Blake Jones

What are netflix subscription cards you buy with cash from any 7/11 or grocery store
didn't know what was a thing

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

No one is going to want to get paid to route someone else's kiddie porn.

Daniel Sanchez
Daniel Sanchez

people running TOR endpoints do it for free

Nicholas Sanders
Nicholas Sanders

What are netflix subscription cards you buy with cash from any 7/11 or grocery store
they know which card was bought, when it was activated (sold to the customer), and which reseller bought the card
if the reseller has a checkout camera, they can find you

Josiah Perry
Josiah Perry

The top DVPN projects at the moment are:

sentinel.co
mysterium.network
privatix.io

Ian Cox
Ian Cox

The NSA do not work for free.

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

Even if every single TOR endpoint was run by the NSA, which I do not think, then I still think that some people in developing countries would offer their IP addresses for others to use, knowing that their government censors a lot of shit but does not care about that kind of crime.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

Also with TOR, a normal exit node user would have no idea who the source was, and thus plausible deniability. With this type of VPN, there would be registered users listed somewhere. In order for that to work you would have to do something similar to TOR, so why not just use TOR?

Thomas Powell
Thomas Powell

Why would there be registered users somewhere?

a) you pay with any kind of cryptocurrency directly to the person hosting the vpn server
b) you connect through his IP
c) that's it

Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

If you do not believe me, try sentinel.co or mysterium.network, you can use their vpn and do not have to register at all.

Nathan Rivera
Nathan Rivera

And that person now has your IP address all over his computer.

Camden Green
Camden Green

that is correct, yes.

And the only way that can be mitigated is multi-hopping.

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