/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming
>R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional).
>R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value
>R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs
>R7 3700X - High end, higher FPS.
>R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity. Gaming w/ SMT on flunky due to software scheduling issues. See "more"

RAM:
>Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum
>AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

GPUs based on current pricing:
1080p
>RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
>GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
>RX 5700 - even higher FPS
1440p
>RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games
>RTX 2080ti - Highest possible FPS, but poor value
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.
>2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

>Navi launch drivers have issues, esp. w/ OC. Wait for AIB if considering the XT. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power. AIB models come mid-August.

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important
>SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png
>NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
>"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work
>Don't use Speccy
>AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"

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talk me into upgrading now rather than waiting for Cyberpunk 2077

So, in theory, I could wait until AM5 comes out along with DDR5 in order to try to future proof my next build by updating it again just before they move on to the next socket, but they'll move on so fast that I'm really questioning its feasibility

For example, the first AM4 chipsets, the A320 and B350, came out just two years ago. Even if I tried to carry my case, RAM, and PSU into the next build in order to save money, I would probably have to buy a new motherboard anyway unless I run a three year update cycle which I would never bother with. I don't see any other benefit for doing this with the exception of slightly better RAM.

What do you think? Is this why some people say that future proofing is retarded? What benefit am I missing?

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>just wait for the next big thing next year bro
You're gonna wait forever.

wat get

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What is more important in regards to a graphics card?
25% more performance
OR
Adaptive Refresh Rate Technology
(I know Nvidia supports freesync now but AMD can never support gsync)

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anyone have a thermaltake v21 where their front panel LEDs don't work but the rest of the panel does? like usb ports, reset switch etc

There is no point to the 3800X and the 3900X if the 9900K is priced the same as the 3900X. What was AMD thinking?

>9900K
Lol

Do they really have to market everything as gaming nowadays? The 3950x can play games but it's better for a workstation.

and?

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Just report the people spamming off-topic bait.

>windows 7
>wat get
Windows 10 or Linux

Sell the monitor. You can probably get a brand new freesync monitor for the price of used gsync trash.
But baring that, having adaptive sync is important. Games which run at

Should I get a 3700x or wait for the next intel series for gaming?

i quit bros, going to the store now to return the tomahawk. and most likely the 3700x too

Gaymers are free publicity, of course they don't give a shit about gaming in reality, it means nothing.

I DO NOT NEED A FUCKING MONSTROUS 170% PROFIT MARGIN FAG GPU TO PLAY MY STUPID GAME
Why the FUCK does Intel absolutely refuse to make their i5 and i7-XXXXG processors readily available and easy to use?
It has plenty of graphics performance for my needs. It has a better CPU than my mid tower. They're totally overclockable.
Sell it in a standard ITX board and refresh the fucking thing. Intel you licensed from AMD, you can slap a 7nm rDNA card in there for like a 50% performance increase given the same die size.
The 14nm intel CPU+AMD gpu+HBM2 package is the most interesting product to me by far but I am not buying a fucking XPS15 or a NUC and shoving the board into a little box for a desktop.
ALSO
AMD
FUCK YOU
your r5 3400g is TRASH. You are making this thing RIGHT NOW yet you couldn't slap a rdna 7nm GPU on it??? It's probably like 3 clicks of a mouse in your dumb HDL program
It's about 50% as fast as a GTX 760 which launched about EIGHTY FUCKING MONTHS ago for TWO HUNDRED BUCKS.

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I use Windows 8.1

Looking to grab a 3900x for gaming + dev work.
Will need 32GB for work, what's the best recommendation on RAM timings and mobos?

>i quit bros, going to the store now to return the tomahawk. and most likely the 3700x too
Yay. Go team ryzen!!

That's what you get for buying intel. Lol

>sell the monitor
Have you ever actually sold a monitor? I had to sell my 27" 1080p 144hz ASUS in 2014 after having it for like a year or two and it actually wasn't worth selling at all. Would have been better off turning it into a electrostimulating sex toy for the amount of money I pocketed after pricing it low enough for shipping to make sense/pricing it high enough to cover shipping.
There are other factors as well.
So given, say $400 just for discussions sake,
25% raw graphics performance on a 5.2ghz Skylake able to utilize said performance
ORRRR
ADAPTIVE SYNC
You're saying adaptive sync right?

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Are ryzen 9 and x570 mobos ready for Linux?
I need to upgrade my 1700 which has that bug.
inb4
>he didn't RMA his faulty CPU laughing_whores.jpg
SHUT UP!

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just do a 5-7 yr upgrade cycle

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for 3700x

>talk me into upgrading now rather than waiting for Cyberpunk 2077
Lower prices ya mook

Next intel is just another 14nm++++++++ refresh with new new security vulns.

Use the free upgrade to win10.

get board that meets your needs and isn't gigabyte
get 2x16 3200CL16.

I think there was just recently a microcode update for Linux. Like literally yesterday. Workaround for a systemd bug.

>win10

>workaround
So, it's temporary fix till they fix it for good?
Guess, I'll wait a bit longer and cope with what I have currently, just in case something else comes up

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The best Ryzen under the most ideal circumstances is maybe equal to or a tiny bit better than a 9600K
Strictly worse than everything else though
Everyone thinks they're a youtuber or a streamer or are going to main gentoo and compile Firefox nightlies every day for fun
nah son the most demanding any of you faggots do on your home desktop is play games, everything else is done in a web browser these days
Ryzen 3 had to be 4.8-5Ghz to be good.
A 4.8 Ghz all core turbo Zen 2 single CCX 6 core 12 thread part with the largest cache possible would likely be strictly better than 5.2ghz Intel at vidya
but noooope we gon keep waitin boys
maybe Zen 5+++ 2nm will be better than intel for video games

Good day. I recently added 3 RAM sticks of 8GB each to my prebuilt computer. It was probably a bad idea doing such a thing as a layman but now, my computer won't give signal no matter which sticks I insert or where I insert them. The computer still turns on, but the screen doesn't receive anything. The old RAM stick has 1,5 V written on it, while the newer ones have 1,35 V written on them. Would someone be able to tell me if I broke something irreversibly, and if yes, what I should do to repair it?

>get 2x16 3200CL16.
newegg.com/global/pl-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232299
how are these?

>Is this why some people say that future proofing is retarded?
A lot of the talk against future-proofing is people jelly of people who can afford the initial outlay spend on things like the 2080 ti with the intention of not updating it for a few generations. That's not really a question of future-proofing, just how best to manage money and how often to update with the same amount of cash over different amounts of time.

What is bad when people actually try to "future-proof" is do things like get 32gb of DDR4 in the second half of the lifespan of DDR4 when 16gb of higher quality DDR4 will serve better while DDR4 remains the standard, while presenting less of a "loss" when it's replaced with however many GB of DDR5.

So long story short, there's a lot of bluster about "future proofing" which is just debate about often quite subjective psychological preferences for how to spend money, but there is a fallacy of "future-proofing" which leads people to buy products in quantities or capacities beyond their current personal use case with the expectation that the product will somehow become more useful over time rather than just get replaced by something newer.
16gb vs 32gb is a good example of that. The quantity of DDR4 RAM to have for gaming is not really an issue in the long term because the question of whether to upgrade to DDR5 or not will make itself felt much more keenly much more quickly, and even then, in a long enough window of time for a computer overhaul to be financially reasonable.

wait

take the old ram out and try again

3200/16 is the best budget option
3600/16 is the best price/perf aim
can be achieved with overclocking
but Ryzen still has its preferences for die types when it comes to overclocking - B Die and E die are better than just any old RAM, even in the same speed and timings

good

Definitely wait. Clock speeds are seemingly even better which while everyone jokes about is still a strict single thread performance increase when they are already ahead of the competition.
You could buy a 6 core 12 thread part that will likely overclock between 5.3 and 5.4 ghz for $250.
That's insane you won't need an upgrade for like 7 years.
I'm personally waiting for more information about a possible Skylake replacement because really their 14nm+++++ process at this point is really fucking good and if they can get any amount of IPC performance uplift at all out of their arc it's going to be sweet.
Also it pisses me the fuck off that they refuse to slap some EDRAM on their CPUs like they did with the i7 5775c as it would be a strict performance uplift.
very glad I bought 3600 cl16 back in 2016. Even this ancient ass bdie overclocks to 3733 cl14 so the new shit you guys are all buying will probably hit like almost 4k cl14

I need some input, this is what I've put thought up so far.
Any recommendations?

pcpartpicker.com/list/KqcNRJ

Thanks.

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The 3800X is a literally why processor but you're a brain damaged /v/irgin if you can't see the market for the 3900X

How would we go about making a spread sheet to determine if the 60, 70, 80 or 80ti line was the superior upgrade cycle dating back to say fermi?
We'll leave out the resale of old gpu price variable because it would make everything way harder.
I'm thinking the 80ti were actually the way to go by skipping certain generations. 980ti is still about equal to the average gpu performance, 1080ti and 780ti were both good.
I'm very interested even though past trends are unlikely to continue given Nvidia charging $1300 for a GPU on an ancient process with half the die wasted on shit that isn't rasterization and doesn't even have HBM which should be mandatory at that price.

Any Eurobro here having a Silentium PC Fortis 3 HE1425? Looks like it's everything I need, silent, deported so I can fit big ram sticks on my mobo, cool enough (though not Noctua tier obviously), and most importantly very cheap. Any other AM4 options I should consider?

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The 3600 claims to take a ridiculously low amount of wattage, is this truly the case or is there a hidden facet of computers I should be aware of? I've got this 520W PSU from God knows how long ago but I don't know if I should spend more money to upgrade.

Thank you, unfortunately trying this didn't solve my problem. I installed one of the new sticks on the first slot and I also tried installing 2 of them on the second and the fourth slot, both times my computer only turned on (the fans did) but the screen received no signal. My cables all seem to be plugged as they were before.

Cryorig stuff is mean't to be pretty decent for the moneys

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>is there a hidden facet of computers I should be aware of?

>Get 650w power supply because retarded teenager and gayman computer
>Find out you never needed that shit
>Get a fuckload of hard drives because cumbrain adult and porn computer
>Power supply that was previously a waste of money still has enough juice to power the hard drives on your old build. New build is SFW and miniaturized

Things have a way of working out

I don't think that Cooler will fit into that case.

In my eyes, a GPU has future-proofed itself if it provides the performance of the GPU in the tier below it in the next generation, and two tiers below it in the second generation, provided that the cost of upgrading to both of those CPUs each generation is greater than buying the initial GPU
But the other factor is that buying a higher SKU of the current generation actually provides higher quality performance during the period in which it is the most up to date GPU.
People who support the model of updating every generation view the higher priced SKUs more negatively because they decline in relative performance more over a longer "lifespan" (use span?) than cards which get swapped every generation. But the reality is that 2080 ti gives 2080 ti performance, whereas 2180 will never give 2180 ti performance, nor 2280 performance, nor 2370 performance.
"Everything looks bad if you remember it" as Homer Simpson said.

"Future proofing is retarded" has been a meme since the Sandy Bridge i5's came out and single core performance gains started stalling out. You likely are going to buy and hold your motherboard, ram, and cpu so the cost of upgrading a CPU is non-trival. So now that CPUs are improving slowly it makes sense to invest into them large and hold them. That being said for the majority of users a 3600 or even 2600 will be good for years to come.... a power user could easily consider a 3700x or 3900x depending on workloads

However I'm not convinced "wait for ddr5" makes an incredible amount of sense. First release prices for ram cost a lot. Second this strategy requires you to sell off your old cpu/motherboard/etc when you upgrade because the fact you just re-used your ram makes yoru old computer inoperable.

2080ti is actually retarded as a "future proofing" investment because you get overall superior results from just buying and selling the latest model xx80 card every year. It only makes sense when you have the budget to keep updating it with the latest model. Its different for the CPU market because there isn't the same degree of year over year performance growth.

What specs are important in Twitch streaming?
I have a 4690K + 2gb GTX 770, 16gbs of ram.
Indie games and a Switch through an internal ElGato HD60 pro.

It seems to do OK at 720p60 but it does stumble at times.

Should I buy a modern GPU and stick it in there?
Would it be beneficial to just upgrade the whole system instead?
Like maybe $4-500 range

Old PSUs are unreliable but should normally not turn your computer into happy smoke when they fail. 520w is plenty for that CPU without a GPU though.

People massively overestimate how much power computers use. Computers that draw more than 400w from the wall under load are uncommon. It's only when you start running multiple 2080s when you really see the need for those 1000w power supplies.

2060 super is an unfortunate pick when radeon 5700 gives you more performance at the same price.
Unless you plan to raid the SSDs, get only one. Also, ryzen chips do ship with OK coolers, you don't need the noctua.
These changes will allow you to then go with a ryzen 3900x CPU.

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CPU core/thread count and memory get weighted more heavily although you can use GPU encoding instead of CPU encoding.

Upload speed determines the maximum quality of your stream.

Personally I would do a full rebuild. Give preference to AMD CPUs and go for however much you want to spend on GPU. Neither of your parts really holds up well in modern games ESPECIALLY if simultaneously streaming.

CMOS battery reset. Look it up online.
It's beeter to leave it out for 5minutes minimum.
But is your pc even boot looping though?

Do the new ryzen cpus have the same strict ram requirements? I keep seeing crazy good deals on ram that has better timings and higher speed and I've been thinking about upgrading from my 1700

also any good mobo reviews for the x570 boards?

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>2080ti is actually retarded as a "future proofing" investment because you get overall superior results from just buying and selling the latest model xx80 card every year.
You would be clearly objectively right if the XX80 ti didn't provide the best of the best performance during the period in which it is current. For some the premium is worth it to play at the best they can during the period it's current and only swap out once they're fed up with the performance equivalent of 90-95% of next gen's XX80, which is more likely to be two generations down the road from the initial purchase rather than just one.
It also depends on what you end up able to sell the card second hand for, to keep "momentum" going for generational upgrades. A 2080 sold when the 2180 comes out is probably going to recoup more of its initial investment than a 2080 ti sold when the 2280 ti comes out, but it all depends on whether a person is willing and able to play that game to fund their GPU purchases. At the end of the day it's mostly a psychological thing, and for some it's more pleasing to the hind-brain to save up from their income over a longer period of time than it is to flip their graphics card second hand every time a new generation comes out.

Also silly question but your using ddr3 ram or ddr4?

>pcpartpicker.com/list/KqcNRJ
Looks good to me user.

3900x raises his budget and I really doubt he's going to utilize the performance if he's also planning to use 16gb of ram. If you're going to be using a multithreaded enough workthroad to take advantage of 12 cores you'll also likely be running more than 16gb ram.

5700 sounds like a jet engine and I do like 2060super ATM... although 5700 non-ref cards will be big winners.

2060/2060s/2070/2070s vs 5700/XT is very hard choice right now because of how AMD doesn't work with gsync but nv works with free and gsync
Especially with the new overclocking limit bypass for the 5700 and 5700XT which will never ever happen on Nvidia again. It basically makes the 5700XT == 1080ti/2070s OC
Fuck gsync fuck you Nvidia why did I do this

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oh nononononon intelbros this can't be happening

1FPS DIFFERENCE

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Got a freesync monitor and I am trying to cap the framerate from ever going over the monitors refresh rate so I can use v-sync at the same time.
I capped the framerate to something like 135fps, but set the monitor to show me it's refresh rate, it's bounching around wildly betweeen 125hz to 144hz
Even though the fps graph shows pretty much a flat line.

Is the famecap software inaccurate and thus not limiting the fps correctly.
Or is it the monitor that's retarded and doesn't know how to stay in the correct range?

You're being held back by your CPU mostly.
Im your position, I would survive until September, then grab a Ryzen 3950x + AIB 5700xt.
How old the PSU is isn't as important as what PSU it is.
If it was a good one (say, Corsair HX/HXi/AX) then you're good forever or until it safely stops working.
If it was a shitty one, then you want to replace it regardless. Bad PSUs will kill your hardware.
>3900x and budget
The changes I suggested do actually cover for the price difference between 3700x and 3900x.
>5700 sounds like a jet engine
That's the 5700xt. The 5700 is alright because it uses less power.
>although 5700 non-ref cards will be big winners.
If he isn't in a hurry, then I agree with you that waiting for AIB 5700xt and getting that is the smarter thing to do.

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The thing is you're going to see less depreciation in value with the lower tier card than the higher tier card. However there is a card for buying the highest tier card and that's A: psychological and B: time savings. It can feel better to do fewer larger leaps... and you spend less time buying/selling. However from a cost/performance standpoint buying low-value parts infrequently makes little sense. There is a sweetspot.

Overall though I don't think you're ever really SAVING money by going with a "ti" card unless you are say... a workstation user who plans to turn your video card into $$$... in which case budgeting the newest ti card every generation may leave you the richest at the end of the day.

I remember some guy on guts thread having the same case and cooler and it was fine though.
That's why I picked it.

Thanks. I'm quite tired of Radeon GPUs, everything seems to support and be optimized for Nvidia, specially now with Nvidia supporting FreeSync (and my current ultrawide FreeSync is confirmed to work) I see no reason not to use them.

Yeah that's why I picked two, I plan on going RAID 0 since all my important stuff is on my NAS anyways.
A decent board and cooler for the 3700X will at least help it keep it under 60C for PBO to do it's magic all the time.

Good. Thanks.
Yeah it's mostly for gaming, the 3700X seems to be doing good enough, specially with good cooling, when it can keep it's clocks up all the time.

19.7.1 is shit install 19.6.2

When you guys say Gigabyte mobos are shit, what am I actually missing?

Whats the best mobo then?

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powerful multithreaded CPU.
You can do GPU encoding, but the quality is vastly inferior to CPU encoding.
3700X will do streaming fine. 3900X if you want the best possible streaming capabilities (at least until the 3950X comes out, but that's expensive)

>gsync
literally no one gives a shit except people who were retarded enough to buy Gsync back when Nvidia didn't support Freesync.

>5700 sounds like a jet engine
Stop lying.

Help me optimize my rig
pcpartpicker.com/list/qyZ9fH

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>I plan on going RAID 0
SSDs are already fast; there's little benefit from the extra bandwidth of raid 0, and latency might actually be worse on raid.
>A decent board and cooler for the 3700X will at least help it keep it under 60C for PBO to do it's magic all the time.
A cheaper board and a stock cooler will mean you'll be able to afford the much faster 3900x.
>everything seems to support and be optimized for Nvidia,
NVIDIA marketing is powerful for making you believe. Benchmarks do however tell a different story, the 5700 is consistently faster than the 2060 super.

yea hi that's me and there are many others with gsync monitors because for the longest time the Dell 27" 1440p 144hz gsync monitor was the cheapest 1440p 144hz
I desperately want a 5700XT anniversary and waterblock but I'm going to have to either buy a new monitor.
I think there are a lot of people in my situation. Even with a monster GPU and 5ghz intel you're not going to stay locked at 144hz in most games, 1% lows are usually in the 90s.

Hey Jow Forums, quick question that I can't seem to find the answer to..
I want to pick up a B450 motherboard and an AMD 3700X and I'm currently selecting the memory to put in the motherboard.
So is the ram speed limited by the motherboard or the CPU? What's the max speed of ram I can put in that mobo?
Cheers.

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pcpartpicker.com/list/Md8zBb
anything I should switch? the CPU needs to support win7 and the GPU needs to support freesync (unless you want to recommend an alternative monitor)

should I downgrade my gpu and get a better cpu? I feel like I should get 3600, but my budget is $1k

42db (2060super) vs 50db (rx5700) under load.

I'm honestly considering a watercooled setup specifically because I'm tired of fan noise since my GPU never idles since it's pushing 8k pixels. GPU noise pisses me off.

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NOOOOO BROS WTF

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I mean your choices aren't wrong, but you are fundamentally trading off acoustics for performance. Also nvidias drivers really are better.

>9900k under 95C
fake news.

>SSDs are already fast; there's little benefit from the extra bandwidth of raid 0, and latency might actually be worse on raid.
It's more to do with decent 2TB NVMe drives being more expensive than just two 1TB ones (x4, TLC, decent cache, etc), plus the shitty unoptimized MMO I play does seem to benefit, on my old 2600X system on a soft-RAID two NVMe volume the differences in loading time are noticeable.
>A cheaper board and a stock cooler will mean you'll be able to afford the much faster 3900x.
Yeah but do I really need it? I won't gain much if any in games, maybe even loose performance since I wouldn't be able to keep the 3900X as cool and power fed as a 3700X with a decent board and cooler, so that PBO would continuously run it at max.
>NVIDIA marketing is powerful for making you believe. Benchmarks do however tell a different story, the 5700 is consistently faster than the 2060 super.
Not that, I have a Vega 56 and a 970M, even though the Vega 56 is supposed to be 200% faster, real world performance in games is almost equal, some things that utilize OpenGL for example are even WAY faster on the 970M. Radeon cards look good on paper and I'm tired of that.

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Your cooler. Remove that and replace 2600 with 3600X.
And buy some cheap SSD.

see

Yeah. The price issue also looks different depending how many generations are considered.
For example 2080 ti vs 2080 and 2180 is different than looking at 2080 ti and 2280 ti vs 2080,2180,2280,2380.
Plus at least where I am the mark-up on 2080s vis a vis US MSRP doesn't seem to have translated to the 2080 tis, so it might be a regional question when it comes to the economics of which is better.

>still no bios with agesa 1.0.0.3ab
nobody needs max boost clocks anyway.

>73 KB
assrock msi asus
niggabyte tends to suck ass

I want a good emulation machine, capable of running PS3 and Switch emulators, is Intel still better than AMD?

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is a cooler not necessary? wouldn't the cpu overheat with no fan?
what SSD should I choose? does installing the OS on it make a big difference?
I also need a power supply

its cpu limited, get 3000mhz ram as you dont loose performance w/ that and its literally the cheapest

amd
you'll need that multi thread perf

Nope, same shit.
What you want is a Nvidia GPU though.

warosu.org/g/thread/S71513633#p71521141
warosu.org/g/thread/S71138733#p71139123
warosu.org/g/thread/S71513633#p71518538

you get a cooler with the CPU. And since amd stepped up their game, it's a pretty good cooler.

Is this ram good to go with a 3600x? amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC

>I mean your choices aren't wrong, but you are fundamentally trading off acoustics for performance.
Not with the AIB cards.
>Also nvidias drivers really are better.
Neither on Linux,
>#dishonesty blog.mecheye.net/2015/12/why-im-excited-for-vulkan/
... nor on Windows either.

I doubt that ryzen ever will pass Intel's best 14nm+++++++++++++++ CPU in video games and security holes.
Intel is truly patrician choice.

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that particular ryzen cpu comes with a fan that is better than the one you picked, but you'd be buying a new last gen cpu
installing your os on an ssd just makes everything faster, and drives that can really only fit the os are pretty cheap these days

>Radeon cards look good on paper and I'm tired of that.
This isn't GCN with its unachieve-able potential anymore. NAVI is different.
Refer to Radeon 5700 benchmarks, aka real world performance.
>I have a Vega56
Then I'd definitely keep the Vega56 and get the 3900x with good board and cooling. Where's your hurry to upgrade the GPU?

Thanks bro.
If I can pick up 3200mhz for not too much of a price leap, should I?

is there any b450 motherboard that works fine with the new ryzen? anything but msi please

3600x 5700xt
recommend me decent 2x8 ram

yeah, sure.

>PS3 emu
>is Intel still better than AMD?
No. Even redditors know that.
reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cb2o0n/the_3700x_is_amazing_for_rpcs3_persona_5_stable/

literally fake