/pcbg/ - PC Building General

One thing strikes me in particular, and that's the 9700K. If you're intending to keep playing AAA games years from now, you're gonna be in trouble with 8 cores w/ no SMT, because the PS5/XBScarlett are gonna have 8 cores w/ SMT. You're gonna need more cores sooner than later. The only reason why 4C/8T were good during the PS4/XBX1 era was because the semicustom chip had a poor FX/Phenom-based CPU. Other than that, all good.

It's for multihead, not gaymen.

>that cooler for a 9700K
lol

Did you not do any research at all? Did anyone actually recommend the 2080Ti to you?
The 2080Ti only gets 35% higher FPS than the 5700XT/2070S yet costs 3 times as much. It's retarded. Unless you make over $2000 per week, it's pointless to waste that money on such small gains.

Hell, even if you use it "for work", the 5700XT typically matches the 2080Ti in productivity workloads like Davinci's Resolve, Adobe Premiere, Solidworks, CATIA, and other mainstream CAD, etc.

planning to build a PC at the end of August.

Upgrading from a R3 1200/ B350 and RX460.

GPU will follow, but decided on getting a Mortar Titanium B450M and R5 3600.

Will my older DDR4 2400 RAM work?

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OwO

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>Look ma, I'm LARPing , I'm LARPing.

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The entire AM4 platform thus far has supported DDR4 Ram, so yes.

I impulse bought the ElGato Stream Deck.
Ive used one before, while its branded "streamer" shit, its pretty useful for anyone.
Its just a small macro keyboard, but the buttons are LCDs that change when you press them. And you can create folders so you have unlimited possibilities for macros. Its pretty cool.

i want to get a new PC, my old 7 years laptop can't cut it
should i go 3600 and 5700xt or waitfag one extra year for zen 3 and navi 20?

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I paid double to get CL16 3600 ram. Am I a dummy?

Is the i7-9700K good value for gaming? Just got it but now thinking of returning it and getting a R7 3700X. Also should I return my 2700 to get a 2700 super even if it costs 80+ CAD more?

How long until AMD decides that it needs AM4+

WHY are people buying RAM with CAS timings of 16-18-18-38?! WHY is this on the PCBG Part List?

3200MHz With shit timings, which completely defeats the purpose; especially on Ryzen. 8.33ns or better, not more.

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ok so hows this upgrade look.

AMD Ryzen 7 2700 + Heat Sink
ASUS Prime X470-Pro AMD Ryzen 2 AM4 DDR4 DP HDMI M.2 USB 3.1 ATX Motherboard
GTX 1660 Ti 6GB GDDR6

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>he fell for the amazon prime sale meme
oh nonono

>buy 9700K, even if Intel is moving to another socket, GOY.

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yes, you fell for someone bait. never listen to Jow Forums

> or waitfag one extra year for zen 3 and navi 20?

Next year youll be asking the same question, since something new is always around the corner.
Honestly, the 3600 and 5700xt are both big enough jumps and not just boring yearly incremental changes that its not a bad time to pull the trigger.

I'm trying to use an older Evga Supernova 650 G2 psu for my x570 setup, but I only have a single 8 pin connector for the CPU.

Does the 3700 require the 8+4 that's on the mobo (aorus x570 pro wifi)?

Zen4. They're going to have the CPU support both DDR4 and DDR5 and /PCIE 5.0

jesus christ, fucking kill yourself you utter shill

lol

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why are you buying an $1100 GPU when a $300 will do basically they same thing unless you are making movies with 3D animation.

>t. Kirinofag.
buy the true blue brand. the 9700K can do everything the 3500 can, and better at gaming too.

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amazon.de/dp/B06ZXS3XBF/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_awd_s_GyplDbAZ5JVY1
is this worth getting on the prime day sale? i need a dedicated GPU because i still use a ryzen 2400G

Please rate/flame/give advice
pcpartpicker.com/list/3Gvtw6
I'll get the parts late august, waiting for more 3800x benchmarks but it seems I'll take 3700x.
Case will be fractal design s, which costs half the price of s2. Bought the SSD already, the monitor I'll get will be LG 27GL850-B.

alright
i hope i wont seethe in 2020 if the new zen 3 and navi 20 are game changers
i'm a 7-8 years cycler and would rather have a solid build for the next cycle

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Because he wants reliability and consistency, not plug and pray.
Fuck, you poor AMD cucks really get mad when someone doesn't tow the line, huh? Fucking pathetic.

what's a good price-appropriate fan to go with 3600? apparently the stock fan for non-x versions is kind of crappy, or am I wrong on that? Since MSI b450 boards are memes on zen2 for now, what do I do instead? wait for non-beta BIOS release? buy some other board that isn't broken, jump up to a cheap x570? roll the tomahawk dice?

what is the usecase? unless you REALLY need the R7 threads, you should probably get a 3600
everything else looks fine. consider vega56 if you can find it on one of those crazy sales apparently running right now (

if it's a gaming rig, go for a 3600, they're the same price. If it's a Jow Forums battlestation, just get the non-X

Looking for suggestions/alternatives to this attempt by a first time builder. Budget of around 900 USD, using a 1080p 1920x1080 monitor I already own.

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>tow the line,

Diamond Dozens

>NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
why?

>tow the line
toe.

If you're a 7-8 year cycler, you better wait for next year, even if say 3D stacking or multi-way SMT isn't introduced next year for Zen 3, you'll want to wait for Navi 20, because the Radeon Image Sharpening seems like it'll be good for lengthening the longevity of your card's usefulness lifespan.

OK so red pill me on RAM frequency. Doe s RAM stick just sync to what the MOBO is?

Right now I have 2400 Trident on a 880 MOBO and it matched to it, but 2400 is the highest frequency it can go? so I need 3200 to match a 3200 MOBO?

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I wonder why. They had the PS5 demo and that's most likely using a modified StoreMI cache

>880 mobo
>3200 mobo
what the fuck are you talking about
RAM speed support is almost always CPU determined

>tfw ordered G.Skill RipJaws V DDR4-3200 CL16 DC 32GB w/ 16-18-18-38 Timings yesterday for 170$ish

Should I cancel? I went for the same price as the 3000MHz equivalents and other models at the time, if not cheaper. I didn't pay any more as far as i know than i would have if i went for 3000MHz CL16. Though i could have perhaps spent 150 PLN more for CL15 3000MHz.

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>because the Radeon Image Sharpening
isn't it already here on 5700xt?

> 7-8 year cycler
Same here friend. Think of it this way, regardless of how good everything that comes out next year will be, everything out this year already blows our old rigs out of the water. Just upgrade when you want to and it will be a giant leap regardless. I'm upgrading in the next few months I think. Ryzen3600 and some middle of the road GPU.

What's the SOC voltage limit for 24/7 on a 2200g that won't degrade it in months

Its fine.

3200/cl16 - 10ns
3000/cl15 - 10ns

notkyon.moe/ram-latency.htm
I'd personally go with more mhz then better cl.

x570 drops prices when?
The current shit is absolutely unreal tier expensive for a mobo

No. 3600 is over $100 cheaper for roughly the same performance. 3700X is better in the most demanding games like Kingdom Come Deliverence, which will surely be the trend with future games, especially with more Cryengine adoption happening for next gen.
>80 CAD more for super
idk doesn't sound too bad. What's that percentage wise? I'd say it's worth 10% more.

... why XT? Even the 5700 is going to be a massive upgrade over your laptop.
3600+5700 is the best thing for probably 90% of people right now.

As long as you aren't paying more than $230 for the 1660Ti, sounds good.
Like the other user said, if it's just for gaming I'd get the 3600. It's over 30% faster in some games than zen+.

Good deal, user. RX 5600 must be coming soon with these deep price cuts. I give it 2 months.

That 590 is too expensive and the cooler is shit.
Look for 1660Tis on sale for $230. They seem to go on sale for that like a few times a week. Or just upgrade to the 5700.
Get MX500, SX8200, or Inland Premium for SSD. All are cheaper and equal or faster performance.
Hell, get a cheaper PSU too (focus gold 550W is on sale for $50), and that almost makes the price difference to get the 5700. Only paying like $50 more then for a twice as fast GPU.

Because the bottleneck in load times isn't transfer speed fast 500MB/s or so.
Doesn't it say that in the pcbg-more paste?

I think that user is saying that Navi 20 (pretty sure it's Navi 21 from what I've seen), will run 1800p much better so you can get psuedo-4K at higher framerates, which is what really makes the case for RIS.
5700XT is a good 1440p card but it struggles at 1800p in some games. I suppose you could also do 1080p upscaled+RIS to 1440p at high framerates with it?

It's what I'm waiting for as well. I want 4k at at least 90hz.

>i'm a 7-8 years cycler and would rather have a solid build for the next cycle
Then just buy the 3700X, it ill last you as long as the 2500k

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why not just keep the mobo?

if it was cheap then ur fine

different user in a similar situation
i love my 2500K and now you got me tempted

Is quadro rtx 8000 good for gaming?

because I'm giving the old setup to my sister, eventually. So the ram and GPU will be replaced later.

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>why XT?
muh extra longevity for little price increase
>psuedo-4K at higher framerate
if monitor is 1080 144hz is it pointless?

Just get a 2080 ti

Will a 1060 6gb bottleneck a 2600x with 3000mhz ram?

workstatipn gpus prioritize differently than gaming gpus. It'll be fine but not better than a GTX.

Any word on when the fuckups at MSI will finally release their b450 MAX boards so I can finally build a goddamn computer?

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>3700X
not worth the 100$ bump IMO since gaymes don't make use of the multithreading

>Want help?
Yes.

>>State budget & CURRENCY
300-700 US dollars with a winning superlative setup max of 2k.

>>Post at least some attempt at a parts list

I was looking at the Intel NUC, but I'm worried about overheating.
I was looking at some audio component looking cases but they are too big.

>>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work

My use for this is to stream news, youtube, and some movie sites, and browse the chans, and some other sites. But here is the clincher. I connect to a 40 inch flat screen in my living room and I want to use a wireless mouse. Not really gaming but I would need 2-4 TB's for movies and media. Finally, I would also like to hook up to a 1980's stereo and play music via RCA connections for audio.

Currently, I'm using my Think pad laptop (t450). Its doing really good, but I hate having it dedicated for this, since I want to compute on the go for class.

Looking for something small form factor, with lots of USB ports that looks good in the living room.

I exclusively use Gnu/Linux in my home.

>>For monitors, include purpose.

Monitor is a 1080p 40 inch Samsung TV that I have in the living room. I have couches and recliners in the mission style and I use the wide, flat arm rests as a mouse pad. Very comfy btw, and if you have money consider Stickly furniture.

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Are USB wifi adapters a meme in a desktop or are they a viable alternative to the PCIe cards? Network is at 500MB/s

>for 170$ish
don't they go at 80$?

that's a machinelearning card m8, not gonna do the job as well as something cheaper and intended-use

>Then just buy the 3700X, it ill last you as long as the 2500k
It'll almost surely last better.
I was aching for an upgrade from my 2500k in 2015, but 4790k required a new board.
I'd say the 3600 will likely last like the 2600k, and the 3700X should last like a 3930k

No.

Well if you get the XT, you either need to replace/mod the cooler for better cooling performance, or wait for AIB cards.
>if monitor is 1080 144hz is it pointless?
Really don't know why you'd get more than the 5700 for 1080p. It's better performance than a GTX 1080 as it is.

It's worth it for people who play actual demanding games like Kingdom Come deliverence.
A 3600/9700k only gets around 40fps in some parts of that game.

>tfw still no 3800x benches

I'm telling you it probably beats out the 3900x in vidya and they don't want that shit getting out. Too many cores is always a meme outside of workstation shenaniganery I tells yeah.

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5 sec search you nig/g/er

Well, I exaggerated quite a bit, I'm not sure we'll see an investment as good as the 2500k ever again, so maybe not 7-8 years, but 5 years for sure. CPU advancements slowed down, going with a good 8 cores 16 threads will carry you for years. Next year's Zen is just focusing on energy consumption, and the the next one will most likely be paired with DDR5, which won't be cheap until like 2023, if not more if we're unlucky. Right now, or at the very latest next year for the next Ryzen, is the best moment to upgrade for a good rig that will last years for relatively cheap.

Strongly disagree. That $100 is the very same difference that made Q6600 owners go on for years, while E8400 owners "but you don't need all those cores!" had to upgrade after 2 years.

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Check the timings on that ram, you don't want high latency; research a lot about that motherboard to make sure it's not bad; make sure you actually need that GPU, check if something like a 2080Super or something wouldn't suffice
>that shit cooler for the 9700k
Get a NH-D15 / S or you're fucked
t. 9700k + NH-D15S

they cost pretty much the same if i'm not mistaken, and on pcie cards you can achieve better speeds plus you remove a possibility of knocking it out of usb port. It depends on your mobo and gpu setup, if you have pcie slots available, your personal preference imho
tomshardware review on 3800x is up, they went and bought it supposedly. I'm still torn between 3700x/3800x and will wait a month till more reviews come in and bios updates.

The upper-limit of my budget is £1500 (including the monitor), I'll get another £30 off the SSD when I activate my free Prime trial. What graphics card should I get to complete this build? Are there any other changes or additions I should make?

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>wait for AIB cards.
yeah trying to get that nitro +
>Really don't know why you'd get more than the 5700 for 1080p.
well i was also considering 1440p 144hz it's a better long term investment so that justifies the price bump
but still pseudo 4k is lost on 1440p screens since they lack the extra pixel density to see a diff or am i missing something?
>A 3600/9700k only gets around 40fps in some parts of that game.
i can always lower the settings

Roll

there is one in shillshardware, basically don't bother and get a 3700x instead and save money or put it on noctua/water + pbo
tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-review,6226-11.html

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>27" 1440 144hz
get a used 980Ti

5700XT+3rd party cooling, or wait for non-blower version release. maybe go for whatever $500-tier SUPER card is out, the 2070S?

>That $100 is the very same difference that made Q6600 owners go on for years
uhh ok i'll consider it
you Jow Forumsoys are really trying to make me spend more than i wanted initially

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pcpartpicker.com/list/8jZmnH

$700 or below.

micro atx or smaller (case is temp, i want the smallest matx possible)

thoughts? i realise i could even go cheaper with bundle deals, etc. especially since i have a microcenter near me.

is the BenQ EX3203R good? also looking to replace my 980ti? any suggestions

>but still pseudo 4k is lost on 1440p screens since they lack the extra pixel density to see a diff or am i missing something?
You should actually get improved image quality by doing 1440p upscaled to 4K, RIS, then supersampled, because the sharpening is done on the 4K upscale with more pixels to work from.
It'll be slight, though.

3600 is still a fantastic CPU. It's just you might run into a really demanding game (like kingdom come deliverence) that makes you want to upgrade within a few years.
But for that matter, you might end up wanting a 12 core anyway by that point that you upgrade and they could be on sale for really cheap.

>monitor
dunno I'm guessing TN and bad
>980ti replacement
5700XT when AIB cards come. Or now if you are capable of swapping/modding the blower cooler yourself.

>replace my 980ti
>replacing the last good video card made

Why? Wait another year and it will finally be worth it.

If Ryzen doesn't OC well, why do OC enthusiast boards exist? I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just genuinely curious as to why someone would buy say a ROG or Aorus board when they know Ryzen doesn't OC well.

Just because you give the game more bandwidth doesn’t mean it’s programmed to use it

because some amdrones are obsessed

>If Ryzen doesn't OC well
only true for 3000 serie
they are clocked close to limit out of the box

Look, I'm a gaymer. I buy gaymer equipment.
>Republic of Gaymers
I'm IN!

>It'll be slight, though.
so not worth the +1 year waitfagging
>you might end up wanting a 12 core anyway by that point that you upgrade and they could be on sale for really cheap.
aight
3600 it is, so i can already save for the future upgrade if zen 3 blows zen 2 out of the water

Welp boys, 2500k died a few months ago and my spare 2600 optiplex board just died so I guess it's time to upgrade.

At first glance I wanted a 3700X but all I can find are ones priced at like fucking $450+ so I'm contemplating just getting a 3600 instead (6/12 is probably enough anyway, I'm not as into games as I used to be).

So the choice becomes:
>3600 or 3600X
Is the overclocking potential worth it in this chip or nah?

Other than that I guess I'll just pick up some 3200 CL16 ram and a motherboard with decent reviews from one of the big manufacturers?

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I'd wait for Nvidia's 7nm GPUs or Navi 20/21 if I were you. The 980 ti is plenty powerful today.

you need the bios update with that mobo
the cooler on that GPU is trash, you can get rx 590 with a top tier cooler for the same price
amazon.com/Sapphire-Technology-Backplate-Special-11289-01-20G/dp/B07K12KNHG/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=rx 580&qid=1563230185&s=gateway&sr=8-5
or rx580 with a better cooler for cheaper
amazon.com/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-Backplate-Graphics-Graphic/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=rx 580&qid=1563230185&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Newfag here,when you say they are clocked close to the limit out of the box, does this mean the boost technology they have? Like some say up to 4.8ghz boost, does this mean that 4.8ghz is the max OC?