/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on titles above parts lists to see notes
pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value
>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
>R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU
>R7 1700X - Budget video editing
>R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM:
>Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in code) recommended
>AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
>B-die is EOL, stocks are limited

GPUs based on current pricing:
1080p
>RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
>GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
>RX 5700 - even higher FPS
1440p
>RX 5700 - basic
>RX 5700XT - standard
>RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in SOME games
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.
>2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

>Navi AIB models come mid-August. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power.

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Yes, adaptive sync (free/g/sync) is important
>SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png
>NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
>"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work
>Don't use Speccy
>AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"

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Other urls found in this thread:

displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/01647a86a
samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/27--jg56-wqhd-monitor-lc27jg56qqnxza/
nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/hXjyw6
pcpartpicker.com/product/BcTrxr/dell-monitor-s2716dg
pcpartpicker.com/product/c3tQzy/acer-predator-xb272-bmiprz-270-1920x1080-240hz-monitor-xb272-bmiprz
pcpartpicker.com/product/tN4NnQ/acer-predator-xb271hua-270-2560x1440-165hz-monitor-umhx1eea01
pcpartpicker.com/list/DPn7kd
youtube.com/watch?v=PAGQwWDyURI
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Kangston

AMD has always pushed their dies a bit to the limits because they can't bin as much as Nvidia does, due to lower volume.
Still, it's higher perf/watt than the cards it competes with stock.
1070Ti perf for 90W is pretty funny. I wonder what the reception would be if AMD offered that stock. Don't think people would pay $400 for it, is the problem, which is why AMD pushes their dies so much.

Reviewers only shill perf/watt when it's Nvidia, is the thing. They didn't care when the 7970 won on perf/watt by 35-40% over the 580, but they shilled the 680 HARD when it won over the 7970 by only 10-15%.
They shilled Pascal hard on perf/watt, but don't care now that Navi is better.

>RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in SOME games
Why doesn't it also say
>lower framerates in others
???
It's only 2% faster on average, and if you replace the cooler it performs the same since that 2% less fps is purely down to thermal throttling lmao.

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arent you supposed to be able to run downsampled from 4k with barely any performance impact with the 5700xt?
i turned on VSR and RIS but get the normal 4k fps

Can i use a Windows 8.1 key to activate windows 10 or do i have to install 8.1 first? Shits so fucking confusing.

Is there any reason I should buy an Acer Predator XB271HK over an Acer Nitro VG270K?

It's literally £200 more just for gysnc over freesync and a "Gamerz rulezzzz fellow kidz" sticker on it

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to clarify

>both IPS panel
>both 4k
>both 27"
>both 60Hz refresh
Is this literally just Nvidia being filthy ripoff merchants?

the vg270k is an innolux panel or some shit while the other one is an optronic or something. google 'acer innolux flickering'

>all of that
why?

Why is it telling me I have to download the GeForce experience and install the drivers through that now

If I don't care about PCIe 4.0, which of the X470 or B450 is the better chipset to go with for gaymen?

Yes. RIS/CAS only has a ~1% performance impact.
And due to some games being blurry due to how they're rendered, 1800p upscaled to 4K with RIS/CAS sometimes looks better in some games than native 4K.
There is a reshade CAS port, though the performance impact is more around 5% with it.

I don't think so.
displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/01647a86a doesn't list the panel. I'm pretty certain they're the same, though. I can't find anything that says the VG270K is Innolux. Plus, just look at them. I think you're thinking of an older model of both the Nitro and Predator which used Innolux.
>Is this literally just Nvidia being filthy ripoff merchants?
Yes.

idk. If it were me, I'd just install Windows and try using the 8.1 key. If that doesn't work, buy a $5-$10 key. $10 is not worth the hassle of installing 8.1 then upgrading to 10 after the fact.

B450. x470 is just 2 more SATA ports and 2 more PCIe lanes or something.

To spy on you.

They're all shit honestly, just pick which kind of BIOS issues you prefer.
I settled with ASUS, MSI was garbage.

the chipset doesn't matter just get a good board

interesting, thanks. Seems like they're being good with fixing the offending units though?

Because I'm a crybaby that wants 4k gaming but thinks that all the stuff specifically designed to look cool to gamers looks dumb as fuck. ASUS ROG line for example.

What would be the ideal for an office PC that could handle multiple monitors for cheap and isn't terrible slow? I'm thinking of building a small PC with a 2400G, that should be cheap and fast enough, right?

4k on a 27" display is fucking tiny. look at one at a store before you buy it.
also
>60hz

>4k gaming
>60Hz
a meme
enjoy your slide show

Just use MS toolkit, my 8.1 to 10 install refused to reactivate when I got a new mobo.

>Hey Jow Forums,
I'm buying a monitor.
Besides internet browsing, I mostly do 3D and graphics modeling, with some vidya thrown in.
Is this Samsung Monitor a good deal for all around use?
samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/uhd-and-wqhd/27--jg56-wqhd-monitor-lc27jg56qqnxza/

It seems like it looks good, good resolution, good contrast, fair reaction time, good price, and can G-sync or Freesync, naturally.
A jack of all trades, that's not outstanding, but will hold it's value.
Any insight?

Thanks.

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I play flight sims where situational awareness & spotting >>> splitting milliseconds. I figure 4k at 60fps is more valuable than 1440 at 144fps, but if I could justify dropping £1k on a monitor to get the full FPS output of a 2080ti then i would

VA panels are great if you don't mind some motion smearing on dark colors. I don't like curved monitors personally but that's a controversial topic.

Hi, /g

Whats the best HTPC case with sleek looks, good cable management with dust filters that can be removed and washed? Its going under my TV, next to my stereo. Wirelss mouse and or remote control will be used to interact.

I'm mostly going to stream.

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Does a gammaxx 400 fan really push 75cfm? I have a couple of Arctic F12 lying around that supposedly only do 53CFM. I wouldn't have thought that a fan that comes with a £25 cooler is that much stronger.

I'm used to playing on LCD monitors or merely playing videos, I don't think I'll notice.
I just couldn't find a better deal for 1440p with all those other specs thrown in.
There's loads of screens that hit a similar price point and similar specs, but don't have 1440p.

oh fuck, nevermind guys, my gay country will hit me with some import fees. not worth it.

why you posting my wife m8

Dearest OP,

Could you please review this build?
>nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/hXjyw6

I would be using it almost exclusively for gaming. I'm aiming for 1440p at 144Hz.
The GTX 1070 is my current GPU but I won't be buying a new one until benchmarks for 3rd party RTX Super cards are out.

Thinking of pairing it with either of these monitors:
>pcpartpicker.com/product/BcTrxr/dell-monitor-s2716dg
>pcpartpicker.com/product/c3tQzy/acer-predator-xb272-bmiprz-270-1920x1080-240hz-monitor-xb272-bmiprz

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pcpartpicker.com/product/tN4NnQ/acer-predator-xb271hua-270-2560x1440-165hz-monitor-umhx1eea01

Instead of the Predator I put in my original message. Fucked up and linked the wrong one.

D15 for a 3600 is extreme overkill unless you can't tolerate anything more than absolute silence.

So can I not install my gpu drivers now unless I use that spyware

You don't have to install geforce experience to get nvidia drivers.

>that posture
yikes

>nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/hXjyw6
Build is fine.
>either 1080p 240hz or 1440p 144hz
Those are entirely different. And you'll only run a few games at that framerate. Many games are locked to 200fps max, too.

idk I stopped using Nvidia because of issues with their drivers/software. I'm not up to date on whether that's true or not. I know they did bundle their telemetry with the driver instead of geforce experience software back in 2016 or 2017.

Hardly, I have a D15 on mine and it still pushes 70+c under load. These chips are hot fuckers.

how about the NHD15 on a 3700X? will that be a silent build?

Yeah, I linked the wrong Acer monitor. Was meant to be the Predator XB271HU.

Would the stock cooler be good enough then, or would you recommend a different one?

I just tried to install it normally like I always do, but it keeps giving me an error and telling I need to download GeForce experience and install though there

pcpartpicker.com/list/DPn7kd
Thoughts? Would it be worth it to put off getting the gpu now and wait for Aug/Sept?

How fast is the fan spinning at that temperature? Mine barely hits 700 RPM cooling an r7 1700 pulling 130 watts.

Currently looking to upgrade my R5 1600/RX 580. Any suggestions for what I should upgrade to for either?

That's probably because heat transfer from the cpu to the cooler is limited due to the small die.
I doubt you're getting much of an improvement compared to any decent tower cooler like a Scythe Mugen 5.

Don't buy the reference navi cards unless you already own a loud whiny card and know you don't care at all. Loud blower fans can be a nasty surprise.

Looks good, I wouldn't bother waiting 2 months for the GPU, I did the same a few months ago waiting for the 5700XT specs and i've still not decided on which GFX card to get. The 5 year old in me still wants to eat noodles for a month and get a 2080Ti, I wish i'd jsut pushed the button a month ago.

1300rpm
I know, i already had the cooler from a previous build.

I need wi-fi on my pc. Are usb wifi adapters just as good as PCIE? any recommendations for something that isn't overkill, but is still decent

Are the chips really that hot? That's a very high RPM for such a light load. I was going to get a 3900x but if it's going to cook even with a D15 it's less appealing.

I think I'll compromise and use a 970 from current build until they release.

NZXT H500 or Meshify C?
Would prefer windowless but I really like how sharp the H500 looks.

Aren't super cards out already, why are they not on amazon? When will they?

>Yes. RIS/CAS only has a ~1% performance impact.
how do you turn on the upscaling thing?

Nigga wait for the best monitor

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i assume they're limiting how many people get them so they can see if they actually work

>g sync
ishygddt

Paper launch to fuck with amd

Its freesync gsync. Its 2019 now. Old gsync is dead

you run the game at a lower resolution

youtube.com/watch?v=PAGQwWDyURI

Best 256GB SSD to get right now?

g-sync-compatible you mong

How do I move my OS and files from one M.2 to another?

Am I the only person that uses a tv for a pc screen? If there were above 40" monitors at the same price I'd go for them but alas.

second this

aren't you cucked in gaymen by the limited refresh rate?

>pcpartpicker.com/list/DPn7kd
>Thoughts? Would it be worth it to put off getting the gpu now and wait for Aug/Sept?
Unless you're up for modding or replacing the GPU cooler yourself, I'd wait until mid august.

Upgrade why?
>STATE YOUR PURPOSE

Unless you have confirmation and a citation that that monitor supports MBR simultaneously with Freesync, stop shilling it.

It's built into RIS, isn't it?
It's only supported on Navi.

Nvidia realized they couldn't compete with Navi and just gave up. RX 5700/XT is a lot better than anyone expected.

Budget? Usecase? Etc....
generally, 3600 is an awesome bang-for-buck processor and a massive upgrade over the 1600
The 5700 is probably the next GPU you want to look into unless you really want realtime raytracing

Can i use a video projector and the adjacent building i live in to play vidya?
i mean by putting the projector on the window at night and using the massive wall of the building i'll get a 1000"+ screen right?

>best monitor

that's not the asus pg279q

Had this issue yesterday, would always say tjat the standard issue of this driver is not compatible with this version of windows. I also get no nvidia control panel

meshify c. a good reason is in the name

I prefer resolution to refresh rate. Not like 4k makes any sense on anything that isn't at least 40 inches.

I have an old Phenom II x4 system that I'm thinking about upgrading, if I buy a new mobo/ram/processor can I just plug my harddrives into it and boot into my current windows 7 install just fine?

no cares faggot research it yourself
Preorders sold out already because its the best
Fuck outa here with that legacy 4ms panel

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real talk
all memes aside, can one really feel the difference between 4ms and 1ms

Is internal hard drive redundancy a meme for neet consumers that just want to protect porn and anime?

Probably not but this is the best now and 500 is cheap for what you get

upgrading from a 580 ti either 5700 is not worth it IMO and neither is going from a 1600 to a 3600 for gaming unless you get a higher end card than the 5700 xt

>2 blower cards in OP image
Why tho

I did notice that when I did my clean install of Windows it automatically installed the control panel for me. But I uninstalled it so that might have been why

d14 on mine with low noise adaptor. classic.

>athelon 2200g and 580 also there
Its a shill thread bro

because this is the only succ you'll ever experience in your life

>x570 boards that were 169$ are over 200$ now
>the ones that were $200 are sold out
>won't be restocked for months
>b550 nowhere in sight
>price hikes everywhere

I picked the worst time to build

for the price of a new 580 i got a perfect used 1070

What, are you gonna actually use PCIe 4.0 anytime soon?

Just get a B450 or something and hang on for a bit.

>legacy

fuck that, that 4ms panel can even hit 165hz with fantastic color reproduction.

>but i need 1ms for my 1440p display

please

did you even read the reviews on amazon?
it looks shit.

muh bios though

no, a year and a half ago was the worst time to build. this is the best time

>16gb 3000mhz kits are $85
>PSU 650w gold+ is $90
>used gtx1080ti is $450-550
>144hz monitors are the new norm
>select freesync monitors work with nvidia cards
>AMD has competitive chips for once
>Intel has started to finally solder some of their CPUs
>there are so many good cases to use

stop being such a bitch

Just look for a cheap board, look at manufacturer's website to see if there's a BIOS update for it. If there isn't a BIOS update, on to the next board.

And unless I'm getting the info wrong, you can boot with 3xxx on the legacy board, right? So boot, flash, you're good to go.

Then colors are better on the new lg panel. Its 4 years newer than your legacy panel, things have moved along and lg is the leader

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or don't give into the hype, buy an intel cpu and motherboard, in a couple years overclock the shit out of it, and enjoy the hassle-free building process that comes with a quality product

How much is it?

Nice try, Intel rep. How's the new subreddit going for you?

>feel actual combat with true colors

oh yes, that 'actual combat'

my asus screen tests at 99% color accuracy.

>tfw spent $80 on RAM in later 2017
>that very same RAM is $32 right now

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500 dollary doos
98% dci-p3. Fucktard. It shits on the asus

buildapc is no better than Jow Forums

>BUY AMD, THEY'RE NOT INTEL AND IT'S CHEAP
but i don't want am-
>BUY AMD, WHY WOULD YOU WASTE MONEY
intel has more longe-
>NO, AMD IS THE BETTER PURCHASE
what about all the bugs for ram and overcl-
>ALL WILL BE SORTED OUT IN A FEW MONTHS, JUST BUY THEM NOW
why buy now and wait for them to work when i can spend a couple hundred more and enjoy my pc no-
>BUY AMD FUCK

/pcbg/ shit on me for buying an 8700 but in the many hours i've been using it, it hasn't blue-screened once and it gives great performance. money well spent

Didn't this leak out and the 1ms is bullshit

Real 2080 super reviews tomorrow right