Let's all get together and confess we'd use mac os if it wasn't device-locked

I don't mind using it for office work and web browsing.

Otherwise no.

I have tried but the list of hardware a hackintosh needs is so limited that I would have to spend about the same amount as buying a Mac. Unless you already have a bunch of compatible hardware it isnt worth the time effort or money to try, believe me you will be just as unhappy with it after a few months as you are with any other OS

Nope. MacOS looks like shit

Screenshot your desktop right now no cleaning.

thanks for reminding me to delete my hackintosh partition that i havent touched since a year to free up some space OP

It's garbage m8

But I do use it. I do think Apple's current MacBooks have inexcusable flaws though (keyboard flaws, display backlight cable which breaks after a while, gimmicky "touch bar" instead of real keys - I want the real fucking keys, also lack of ports, etc.).

Thankfully my MBP (early 2015) is before the shit keyboard, before the touch bar, before the shitty display cable, before they removed all the ports. I've still got a very thin laptop with a retina display though. Feels good.

That's what dual booting is for. I've got a Windows 10 partition on my MBP. But honestly I rarely use it. My MBP doesn't have discrete graphics so the only games I can really play are also available for Mac. Cuphead, for example. Also emulators like Dolphin, Mupen64Plus, DeSmuMe, etc. And also older games like Halo, Portal / Portal 2, Team Fortress 2, GTA Vice City, Star Wars KOTOR - lots of old stuff is on Mac. But yeah, you can always dual boot if you want Windows games too.

The .app container on a Mac doesn't just contain the binary, it also has all the assets and shit. So you just delete that. Yes, little things in Application Support might get left behind, like personal configuration files. But that stuff takes up such a TINY amount of space that I don't care - in fact it's good for if you ever reinstall the app, you'll have your settings again. Also, does Windows get rid of absolutely everything when you uninstall a program? From when I used to use Windows I thought it always left some little bits behind. Also like someone else has mentioned, you can use utilities to get rid of extra application files if you want.

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pajeetOS is a steaming shitheap and I wouldn't use it ever again.

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HERE HE IS!

No, MacOS is closed source, which is equally bad as being device locked.

Oh my god, please go away you big gay bastard.
I am pretty sure the thread is intended for real men
who dont use a fagfuck pro with a retina display.
damn it I thought there werent any queers left on Jow Forums, then you
prance up from behind some bushes shouting "yoohoo oh yoohoo
oh hey look I'm a big flaming fag"

It has considerably fewer CVEs than gnu/linux.
Darwin/XNU is libre you inbred.

Darwin/XNU is not MacOS.

No, but macos is darwin/xnu + extra software.

>extra software
Which is all closed source.

Oh booooo hooooooooo. What, a desktop environment, browser, and some other small utilities.

>tfw you need an app to uninstall apps
>no way to remove appcleaner

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If they aren't that important then why aren't you using Darwin/XNU without all that MacOS shit?

and what are you going to do with the source code?

What is apple doing with it that is so important that they can't give it to me?

Because I quite enjoy the software provided. If people cared about open source, they'd have put a DE on darwin themselves.

Their own property: licensed code they have full ownership over. Why do you believe you're entitled to it? Will you modify it? Who will code review it? Will you compensate them for the code review?

Making sure that pajeets won't start creating broken shitty variations like they do with Android

if you uninstall packages on gnu/linux, they can leave behind configuration files. if you uninstall programs on windows, they leave behind appdata and program data folders and files. they have the exact same issue. uninstalling an app on macos is literally just dragging it to the trash and emptying it, in gnu/linux you can do it with a command, that's fine, on windows however you have to go through a setup wizard to delete it, way more annoying. deleting these application support folders on macos is not necessary and you wouldn't want to delete those in all occasions. for the average user this won't be a problem, however if it is to you, you have a small bloatless app that's well designed that can tell you and delete the folders that that app created in your library folder the second you put the app in the trash can, no other os as far as i know offers something like this.

Why do they believe they're entitled to keep it from me?
>Will you modify it? Who will code review it? Will you compensate them for the code review?
Yes, your mom and yes, with sex.
Are you trying to imply that only apple is allowed to create horrible broken products loaded with bugs, and not pajeet? Because if so, then apple already seems to be doing that quite well, they don't need to try and stop pajeet from doing it.

when you think about it, the premise of macbooks are brilliant.
everything is packed onto a simple board, in theory it's the best way for tech illiterates to upgrade, since it's literally unplug a few cables unscrew and then swap the board.
where theory and practise differs is that apple has raised the price or made it near impossible to get a hold of these logic board, and previously they have made it increasingly difficult to service your own devices as you'd need a special tool to unscrew certain elements.

but still the basic idea of modules you can swap in and out for upgrades is still pretty solid.

>No, MacOS is closed source
Darwin-core is free as in freedom.

It's not essential software.

Important software != part of the OS

>I enjoy it
Sorry, your feelings are not an excuse. There are open source DEs that work on all the other BSDs. Nobody is going to waste time supporting one on Darwin because Apple will just sabotage it.

>Also, does Windows get rid of absolutely everything when you uninstall a program?
nice strawman, gtfo actual retard

>Darwin-core
Not MacOS.
>It's not essential software.
Then stop using it.
>Important software != part of the OS
Then it should be easy to get it to work on another OS.

Really? Are you qualified for that? Can I see your CV, linkedin, github account? Can you guarantee you will abide by your duty? Why not just get a job at apple and get paid good money if you are so motivated and promise to follow your duty with care and diligence?
>Why
Because it's their own fucking property, how about that? Stupid shitposter.
>horrible broken products
Yes.... quite.... Extremely stable drivers and software that doesn't crash. Also fewer CVEs than gnu/linux and windows.
Yeah garbage like xfce, MATE, etc you have to theme and modify to make them look remotely 21st century. Then vsynch without performance loss or getting rid of microstuttering (the future of linux and bsd via wayland). Apple's DE is incredibly smooth and the OS never stutters because it's a low-latency DESKTOP OS by design. You have to make questionable linux kernel configs to get close.
>sabotage
If it's open source, how will they sabotage it? Surely, the great and powerful open source community will catch them with their pants down.

>Because it's their own fucking property, how about that? Stupid shitposter.
No, my computer is my property. They are not entitled to keep secrets from me about things that I am running on my own computer. Stupid shill.
>Apple software
>doesn't crash
2 rupees have been deposited in your account

Err, no. Macbooks are not your property, they were designed, produced, and sold by Apple corporation. You only paid some monopoly money for the pleasure to be allowed to use one. Then remember you agree to customer license agreements and such about the warranty, etc. They can't have some dickwad rubbing his dirty hands everywhere running a misconfigured OS and damaging his Apple macbook, then trying warranty fraud. Then you have the EULA which you agree on to be able to run the OS, so everything you do you agree to do.
If it's your computer and you want to pretend to be a lone wolf, you can just make your own OS, or build your own darwin/XNU distribution. It should be easy, because the great and powerful open source community managed to bring darwin/xnu to boot into a text shell. Woohoo!

Apple is not an open source company. They may publish the source code, but they don't involve the community in any way. The only exception to this which I will give them credit for is Swift.
>You have to modify the theme
Fuck off ricer.
>Muh smoothness and low-latency
Apple's DE does not have this. They have been forcing compositing for longer than anyone which causes horrible stuttering and memory bottlenecking. They have never even sold a machine with a decent GPU.

There have been community distributions of Darwin but they all died because they were sabotaged by apple. There is no reason to use it. People who want a BSD distribution will just use a proper BSD distribution, not Apple's extremely cucked system.

>You don't actually own your own property which you bought with your own money
>Even if you don't buy the warranty we will still punish you for someone else committing warranty fraud
I can't really complain, you shills aren't a problem when you reveal your true agenda.

At some point in the next 10 years, Apple will announce job losses, closures, redundancies, you know why? Theres almost nobody left who was part of Apple Corp in its first decade of operation. What will come in is greed mongers, asset strippers, profit motivated monsters. They will grind Apple into the ground.

>if it wasn't device-locked
Hackintosh is shit

>Fuck off ricer
Keep using that horrible 90s DE, I don't blame you. Can't be seen using a Toshiba or HP with a nice looking DE, it's hypocritical.
>does not have this.
When did you last use macos, powerPC times? No such thing.
>decent GPU
Modern intel HDs can easily handle anything including 4K streaming and such. Mac pros have very powerful professional grade GPUs. Keep using binned gamer trash, tho.
>sabotaged
Impossible, open source projects can't be sabotaged as that would make the idea of open source software redundant. The developers are lazy and incompetent is more likely.
>proper BSD
Benchmarks on netbsd, freebsd, and openbsd are absolutely laughable. Not to mention those, again, have no real DEs.

I've played with it on a few macs but I honestly wasn't impressed. It's a very clean and neat OS for content creators but for my day to day use I would still rather run windows 10 or any half decent linux distro. I do see the appeal but it just isn't for me.

its not device locked you retard

no, the kernel is shit and userland is ancient
the only reason to use macos is flamboyant homosexuality

>The developers are lazy and incompetent is more likely.
Kek, it's not open source developer's responsibility to fix Apple's broken software no matter how much they want to beg for it
>Benchmarks on netbsd, freebsd, and openbsd are absolutely laughable.
Same on MacOS
>Not to mention those, again, have no real DEs.
Neither does MacOS

>is shit
Low latency desktop kernel, performs better than linux for content creation.
>userland is ancient
Ah yes ls, cd, mv... all these age like milk, right?

> flamboyant homosexuality
Why's everything here got to do with homos? Are you okay?

>broken software
Broken how? Just make a DE, it's not that hard. All it takes is a thousand or so lines, no? Ask suckless developers, they could probably code one for macos in a week, if they're really as good as they think they are and their philosophy is realistic.
>Same on MacOS
Wwwwahahahahaha, nonsense cope. You can't even scroll smoothly in openbsd.

>pajeetOS

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>if it wasn't device-locked
It's not. And I do use it. I don't own any Macs either.

Hardware isn't that limited. I got MacOS working perfectly on a Dell Optiplex 790. Whole thing, including the new GT710, was under $200. Under $300 if you wanted to buy the RAM and SSD I already had.

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No one cares manchild.

>gt 710
Oof. Just give up.

>it's another apple shill thread turned apple hate general in 10 seconds flat

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Go back to /v/

I'm using MacOS now. "Nice looking" doesn't matter. It's a computer. A tool for doing work. Not a toy. Why do applefags always struggle with understanding this. Pic related is my desktop with all the built-in ricing disabled, and it's still laggy, fails at 8k videos, has shit support for Vulkan because apple cannot into proper graphics, has awful font rendering that can't be patched because it's closed source. And yes I do have a patch for this, I've fixed it many times on my linux and bsd systems.

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>Low latency desktop kernel, performs better than linux for content creation.
you sure have the numbers to back up your claims, right?
>Ah yes ls, cd, mv... all these age like milk, right?
besides all of those being from some old version of FreeBSD, there's also ancient GNU utilities which haven't been updated for years because of the license
the correct response from Apple would have been to replace them, but there they are rotting through
at least they're finally removing the ancient Python they haven't been giving a fuck about till now
bonus question: why is the first thing every developer does to install brew and replace most of the userland with newer versions of everything?

board meme you retarded newfag shill

chrome is actually pretty shitty on macos

Not new just too old to understand this kind of humour. Still don't get this obsession with the gays.

Not only device locked, it has to be fully open source and I would use it as my everyday OS

I already have a DE and no I will not waste my time porting it to Darwin. Macturds like yourself wouldn't use it anyway.
>You can't even scroll smoothly in openbsd
Talk about nonsense cope. Fix your graphics drivers and then come back.

So are your walls painted? Got insulation on the outside? Dog shit on the floor? Or do you take care of your house because you look at it a few hours a day?
I spend 1/3 of my life on computers and I won't shit on my dignity by getting distracte dby tragically unaesthetic amateur trash.
The rest is subjective opinions and "Works On My Machine". Font looks fine, stop using a 800x600 resolution.
>numbers
You didn't humor me with a serious response before, I won't give you proper sources. I'll just say nobody googles "mac os sound latency problems" but linux has specialised distributions without pulseaudio and with modified alsa instead.
Of course I won't use it, actual real-life designers shaped the macos DE.
>Fix your graphics drivers
Nope, openBSD's job to provide a working out-of-the-box setup. I don't "fix" anything on macos.

Why, are you seriously ever going to audit it? The great and powerful open source worldwide community cannot even remotely keep up with systemd, pulseaudio, etc, let alone splitting them in half for macos.

>You didn't humor me with a serious response before, I won't give you proper sources.
quid pro quo clarice?
my reason for why the macos kernel is shit is because it's stitched together frankenstein monster
it started back in the NeXT days as an early monolithic mach kernel, because the lead guy worked on mach but Jobs wanted to deliver an actual product instead of whitepapers, so monolithic it was
then they added bunch of BSD shit because why not (everybody was doing it at the time in smaller amounts)
then they replaced parts of it with another microkernel, but still kept it monolithic and called it XNU
also some original NeXT code sprinkled on
then NeXT got bought by Apple and they started adding more Apple code into this bitch
then the AT&T v. CSRG lawsuit hit and Apple decided to replace the encumbered parts with FreeBSD code
do you see this shit?
how does it not explode? mostly because they micro-optimize for very small pool of hardware so they got the wildfire under a tiny bit of control
there's still problems relating to paging and elementary system calls screwing up
quid pro quo, now it's your time to show the numbers, or have you been talking out of your ass this whole time?

>frankenstein
Not an argument. Actually, the end product is fantastic, no signs of abuse. Meanwhile Linux is extremely bloated right now and inadequate for desktops. The idiotic developers decide to support for 4096-CPU machines and hotpatching instead of good drivers and optimisations for modern hardware. For fucks sakes, Linux is still designed to run on all 20 x86 on the planet, what a tragedy.
And Windows NT is not worth talking about at all.

>That's what dual booting is for. I've got a Windows 10 partition on my MBP.
I don't need to dual boot to play games on Linux. Why in the merciless name of fuck would I even consider using OSX when Linux not only works out of the box these days, but I can also play the vast majority of my Windows Steam library just fine with a mere click?

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>bloated
not an argument
see? how easy

Proton also works for macOS.

Hmm. But those are Linus's words.

>actual real-life designers shaped the macos DE.
And they shaped it poorly
>Nope, openBSD's job to provide a working out-of-the-box setup.
Why do you believe this? Have you paid them? I paid apple and they still refuse to provide a working out-of-the-box keyboard.
>I don't "fix" anything on macos.
I agree, it's so broken it's not even worth trying to fix. Apple wouldn't even let you do it anyway because it's closed source

>Proton also works for macOS.
Fake news

>quoting out of context
>quote is literally a decade old
OK, have fun with that
meanwhile in the real world, almost everything is loaded as a module on-demand and doesn't really matter
and if you're truly autistic, you can compile your own Linux with only the needed drivers statically compiled in so there's zero bloat
can you do that with macos? thought so
I guess you're stuck with the bloat forever

>paid them?
Are you insane?! OpenBSD dudes do it for free and provide no warranties or guarantees. I'm not paying them, if they think they're that good to match other BSDs with 0 funding, be my guests.
Have you tried taking your apple keyboard to an apple genius?
>so broken
Has perfect out of the box experience you wish linux had.
>closed source
Pffft as if amateurs are qualified to make changes to OPERATING SYSTEM and KERNEL code. Goodbye.

Not fake news. It's on the GitHub. Proton works on macOS, It's just not implemented in Steam yet, and I doubt Valve would ever feel the interest to enable it for macOS.

>Proton works on macOS, It's just not implemented in Steam yet, and I doubt Valve would ever feel the interest to enable it for macOS.
That's the point. it doesn't matter if you can niggerrig it to work just like WINE. The fact of the matter is that OSX still requires you to run Windows Steam through WINE (which is hell) to even dream about playing your shit. OSX is a worse out of the box experience than any sophisticated Linux distro.

no thanks. I had to use them during this one job I had. Very annoying OS.

>decade old
Linux now has 10x the SLOC so it applies more.
>compile your own Linux
No way fag, do it for me.
>thought so
Currently Apple utilises GPUs of two manufacturers and CPUs of one. Wifi cards and such don't require a lot of work or variety, and mobile devices have their own proprietary SOCs. MacOS has nothing that can qualify as bloat.

It only needs to be audited once and it will be usable, Im sure de-bloating the kernel and removing some proprietary software would leave me small and optimized OS
I would have lesser reasons to hate on MacOS too

>audited once
Okay, go audit darwin and xnu to give everyone a head start.

How is proprietary software for select few devices not small or not optimised?

Fair. Personally I just built a gaming PC with Windows on it and I use Synergy to seemingly switch between my MacBook Pro and it. Don't have to dual boot, although I used to use an external SSD to dual boot windows and play games on my MacBook.

>Refuse to pay someone for a product
>Blame them for having problems when they have no funding
Typical itoddler.
>Has perfect out of the box experience you wish linux had.
Then why does every macos developer need to install homebrew and a bunch of other shit just to have a basic functioning system when even slow release distros like Debian provide everything out of the box?
>as if amateurs are qualified to make changes to OPERATING SYSTEM and KERNEL code
I agree, apple is a bunch of amateurs who aren't qualified. Which is why they should release all code and let the professionals handle it.

>itoddler.
openbsd devs are not under contract or any sort of responsibility or implied responsibility. Paying them would be a worthless donation. Paying for any apple device has programmer salaries factored in.
>homebrew
Why, what can't you get off the store?
>aren't qualified
You can literally background check popular apple developers or make a linkedin crawler for apple employees. Generally, they are more qualified than random contributors whose code passes fairy dust review by pixies.
>let the professionals handle it
Who? Microsoft? Amazon?

>Linux now has 10x the SLOC so it applies more.
absolute majority of those lines is drivers, and those are either loaded as modules or can be completely disabled
>No way fag, do it for me.
I did say it's only for the most autistic
most people are fine with the distro's default
>MacOS has nothing that can qualify as bloat.
except, you know, all those different network cards, chipsets, each GPU requires its own firmware, all those different proprietary touchpads, of course all of them supported several generations back...
bloat bloat bloat
just because you don't feel like acknowledging it (most likely due to your crippling faggotry) doesn't mean it isn't there

So you are not denying that linux has not become less bloated?
>network cards et al
Everything lasts for the current edition of macos. Your device does not run ching chong drivers unless you have ching chong device running. Meanwhile Linux has a ton of obscure and obtuse ""security features"" without any formal analysis of them like page randomizations, that just hang on promises.

Not really? Maybe 10-15 years ago when it was a clearly better Unix for the desktop than Linux. Nowadays? It's literally worse for games, much slower, the UX of things like Finder is retarded...

If I needed to do media production (which Linux still sucks at) I'd just go with Windows+tiling wm+wsl2. It's just plain better.

>openbsd devs are not under contract or any sort of responsibility or implied responsibility.
Then find someone who is willing to sign a contract.
>Paying for any apple device has programmer salaries factored in.
This isn't a good thing. The goal of a salaried worker is to do as little work as possible just to avoid being fired. I'm not paying for their corporate welfare checks. Especially not when apple has been proven to participate in illegal wage fixing. There's no way those engineers give a fuck about doing a good job.
>Why, what can't you get off the store?
I don't use app stores sorry.
>You can literally background check popular apple developers or make a linkedin crawler for apple employees.
I have and they're all unqualified.
>Microsoft? Amazon?
Those companies aren't professional either but I see no reason why they should not be allowed to work on the code seeing as how apple has already destroyed all notion of professional behavior, shipping intentionally broken products and then telling customers that it's admirable because lying to people's face takes "courage"

Yea it isn't bad at all. If I could have any hardware picks and use the OS I would. and if it was like $30 like it used to be for a disk I'd even probably buy that. Especially for our company usage. Far better than windows.

>find someone
You lost me. I'm a consumer, not a manager. OpenBSD does not provide anything I'm interested in.
>as little work as possible
Urgh, of course you love open source software. You want to rip off of intelligent, hard working people and publish a mish mash to your hobby OS/app. Disgraceful.
>not paying
Good, then don't pay. You have a choice.
>don't use app stores
Sorry not an argument, apple store is largely populated.
>all unqualified
It's a trillion dollar company, go get hired and make $300k starting if you're so good.
>aren't professional
Your definition of professional is skewed (or as I've recently taken to calling it - strawman'd). Are you implying open source developers and their ""non-profit"" organisations who work ""on donations"" (to avoid taxes), are professional? No, they just have a cute little mailing list to swear at each other.
>intentionally broken
Like what? All of their products have years long warranties. If there's a problem, RMA your device. Don't be a stupid negroid.

>The .app container on a Mac doesn't just contain the binary, it also has all the assets and shit. So you just delete that. Yes, little things in Application Support might get left behind, like personal configuration files. But that stuff takes up such a TINY amount of space that I don't care - in fact it's good for if you ever reinstall the app, you'll have your settings again. Also, does Windows get rid of absolutely everything when you uninstall a program? From when I used to use Windows I thought it always left some little bits behind. Also like someone else has mentioned, you can use utilities to get rid of extra application files if you want.

true for only some programs that bide by that.

the fact that macOS is the only operating system with competent UI design is killing me. I have no idea what the pajeets at MS are doing other than baking in more spyware. It's fucking 2019 and I still get blurry as fuck programs on 1440p unless I manually DPI for every program. Not to mention the clusterfuck of graphical elements from every Windows between 95 and now

>competent UI design
Even Windows 95 has a better UI than pajeetOS.

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>open exposé
>clicks on the window
WOOOOOOOOOOW

>I'm a consumer
Then your opinion is not relevant. Come back when you have some responsibility and you'll see why real users prefer BSD.
>You want to rip off of intelligent, hard working people
No I pay for my open source. It's free as in freedom not free as in price.
>apple store is largely populated.
Don't care, not giving any more of my money to a scam store that takes 30% cut from developers in order to finance more broken products, I give the developers money directly.
>It's a trillion dollar company, go get hired
No, I would not take any amount of money to work for a company run by unqualified scammers.
>Are you implying open source developers are professional?
Some aren't, some are, the nonprofits are there to make sure governance remains neutral. Many developers get paid via other avenues. Even apple pays some open source developers because they have to, although less than many other companies.