Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Minimum 30-60fps gaming. The stronger 3400G sells for $150. (R3K APUs OCs better than R2K) >R5 2600 - 60fps+ gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >R7 1700X - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in P/N) recommended >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP >B-die is EOL, stock is limited
GPUs based on current pricing 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >(GTX 1660TI @ ~$230/Vega56 @ ~$270) - higher fps / more demanding games >RX 5700 - higher FPS 1440p >RX 5700 - standard, 75-100FPS+ >RX 5700XT - higher fps 2160p (4K) >RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing scales better into 4K than Navi does. OR upscale from lower resolution with RIS >2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive
>Navi AIB models come mid-August. 5700 non-XT blower is alright, due to low power.
General >Yes, adaptive sync (free/g/sync) is important for gaming >NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming >Don't use Speccy >Don't trust sites which rank CPUs by arbitrary, obfuscated scores (eg userbenchmark, passmark, cpuboss) >AM4 VRMs + Monitors + SSD Guide under "more"
>Even though I bought a 3600 Are you a fucking drone mongoloid, dude? Why would you invest a single ounce of your ego or personality into what tech company you buy computer parts from??
Brayden Robinson
MX500 860QVO is not the equivalent of mx500 it's inferior the 860EVO is the equivalent of MX500
Ryan Moore
Need monitor for desk working and bed watching. What size is big enough to be enjoyed from 2.5m, but not too big to be uncomfortable to use from 1m?
On my ryzen 3700x system I have a 3600mhz dual channel kit running at CL17 on XMP. Will tweaking the timings to CL16 or CL14 give significant performance differences?
Also, how the fuck do I use this russian ryzen memory calculator? It keeps asking me to put in values but I filled everything out.
Don't watch TV or use computers from your bed, it messes up sleeping patterns
Landon Butler
At this point honestly messing them up further would end up fixing them.
Zachary Cox
So a week ago I had ordered a AREZ Strix Vega 56 that I sent back because the fan noise was killing me and the thermal pad issue. I received a Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 for about the same price today. For reference, I currently own a EVGA SC 1060 6GB.
1) The Sapphire card is not quiet. It's just not. However, it's much less annoying and much more bearable than the Arez at roughly the same percentage of fan speed (50%), with a more muted fan noise. 2) Still pulled the shortest straw on memory: Hynix, welcome home. 3) PWR Limit adjustment now does something: went from low 1500 to around 1565 with a minus 0.1 mV voltage adjustment. 4) Clocks start to decrease at -0.150mV; not by much (mid 1550s vs mid 1560s), but notable. 5) Clock speed %age slider does very little. Crashes at 2.5% and above, very little perf gains at 2%. Usual stuff for a Vega 56 2bh... if not usual stuff for AMD GPU architectures overall.
Pic related are my results so far in Unigine with an undervolt, raising the power limit and having the RAM. That's around a 10.5% perf uplift in a very synthetic benchmark; gotta try 3DMark as well.
So far, I've only been concerned about it fitting into my case (which it should) and it colliding with RAM (which it shouldn't), but now I've been thinking:
Could it actually be so large that it could touch the encircled parts of the mainboard? I've tried to find any examples online of people using that combination of mainboard and cooler, but couldn't find any. Does anybody have any experience with that combo? Are there any compatibility lists for mainboards and cpu coolers?
Recently got a sapphire nitro + 580 and I'm pretty happy with it apart from the seemingly ridiculous stock voltages. At the moment its still running at the stock 1411mhz but -70mv which resulted in like 8C temperature drop. Am I missing something or should I be doing this anyway? Should I undervolt all power states in Wattman or just lowest/highest? Also why the fuck do some lower power states have higher voltage than the succeding power state? My P4 power state had like +50mv more than P5.
Alexander Moore
I'm looking for a 60Hz, 1920x1080 IPS 16:9 monitor with Freesync, around 24" tried using PCpartpicker to find compatible monitors with my build but there's only like 2 or 3 monitors, and for some reason only the 23.5" version of the monitor without Freesync shows up
this 24" S24F350FHU should be compatible with a Vega 56 right? both have a HDMI port, and it has Freesync I don't play competitive games so I don't care much about response times, more about image/color quality
Despite the memory being Hynix, I've been able to complete a pass of Unigine at 975MHz while the Arez Strix would just artefact at that point if not crash. As shown in pic related, it does very little in terms of perf gain however: +13 points, or a measly 0.5% increase over 950MHz memory. I don't think there's much more to push for here, bar flashing a V64 BIOS. Lower core voltages don't do much more either.
Looks nice, but I hope you don't plan to use it for gaming
Dominic Brown
It's better than the stock cooler, quieter, and $20 is a good price for a cooler you'll be able to reuse on better CPUs. It's worth its price, but it's well worth its price.
Roast me. Just how much of a mistake have I made with this build. I read up and tried to research as well as I could but I can't help but slightly panic over what I could have missed
Yes I know the power supply and 32gb kit are unnecessary but I'm getting this through good boy points (NEET works on and house sits parents ranch for room and board) and my boomer stepfather told me to go for the full 32 and "to always buy an 800 watt psu" and its not like i'm gonna argue about getting -more- when its not my actual cash. He's a wonderful man and I respect him a lot.
I assumed what you were asking is if you underclocked the 5700XT to match the 5700, if it'd be more efficient. That would mostly only be the case if it were better binned, which it probably isn't. Stock the 5700 uses 140-160W under gaming 5700 XT can use 80 watts more power for some reason. Typically 40 watts more. This is purely down to the XT pushing the chip to a less efficient Vcore/Fmax and not really anything to do with binning (other than disabling the 4 worst CUs on the 5700).
You can get good undervolt results on the 5700XT, but you may as well just save the $50 unless you like tinkering.
p1 is slower than the mx500. It's QLC without cache or some shit. Inland Premium is the only cheap one that's actually a worthwhile budget NVMe for a main drive. SX8200 and such are a lot more expensive. So your usual choices are MX500, 860 Evo, Inland Premium, or the slower and cheaper SU800. For a main drive, don't use QLC. They are secondary HDD replacements, not fast SSD replacements.
Seems awful but I don't know what those prices are like in a real currency and compared to better parts. I can see your case costs twice as much as your RAM which is pretty fucking hilarious and retarded unless it's a really good case (which it's not). >going for 144hz You won't get 144fps smoothly with that stuttery shit CPU.
I don't understand how you're only getting about a +20% improvement over the 1060. You should be getting about a +70% improvement. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Is Unigine Heaven THAT Nvidia favored or something?
Don't notice any improvements with what measuring tool?
Your step dad is retarded. Every generation, components use less power. A solid 1440p@60+ build (2600+rx5700) only uses a little over 200 watts now days. You also cropped out prices which isn't helpful. gl.
why are you getting a 1080p@60 monitor for vega...? Get the Acer VW237Q at the very least, if not the better professional version of it.
For $20, you may as well.
your eyes are gay
Hunter Baker
used 2600 vs used 1700, which should i buy? both can be found for a similar price (100 dollars) which would be better in the long run with new gen games coming out next year? also 1600 go used for 70 or new in deals for 80.
Angel Bell
Ryzen 1600 + Rx 590 nitro+ is a good pairing ?
Dylan James
No problem, enjoy.
Brayden Gutierrez
depends on the price for the 590. If it's like 15%+ cheaper than a 1660, and not too much more than the 580, yeah that's fine.
may as well get the 1600 for $80 and wait until the 3700X goes on sale @
Hunter Harris
I know. I had a 600 or so watt bronze plus originally but again I'm not buying this myself and IM not looking a gift horse in the mouth. He used to work in a PC repair shop in the 80s/90s so it makes sense he is insistent on the 800 watts I guess. He's very particular about things but he's a great guy. I don't mind the overkill on it.
especially the ram since my previous PC i purchased myself like 7 or so years ago I cucked myself on the ram and found 4gb almost immediately phased out by every fucking game including god damn minecraft of all things
>got a ryzen 3700x and x570 mobo >pc now won't shut down properly and fans keep running after shutdown >have to hold power button to properly stop it You guys lied to me it wasn't worth it
Completed a pass at 1000MHz with 2% freq increase. We'll see at which point that Hynix memory starts artefacting.
>You should be getting about a +70% improvement Jej no, that's not where the V56 performs vs the 1060 on conventional means. It's about 20 to 35% faster, not a whooping 70%... on conventional means; so no power mod, no BIOS flashing, no 100% fan speed, "just" UV and trying to clock a bit higher. It's also the Arez Strix, which does have known thermal pad issues. FWIW, pic related is 28.7% faster.
Jose Wright
Here on my country,they're selling the rx 590 nitro +(the gold one) for dirty cheap,basically the same price as the rx 580.I just want to know if my cpu(a r1600)wont bottleneck it.
Daniel Ramirez
3700x owner here got a giggles as well
Christopher Cook
(Me) Forgot pic obviously. The pic is 2% freq increase at 950MHz memory vs. 1000MHz memory. That's 2.9%; that said, I have increased the voltage slightly from 1050 to 1100 since as I said earlier, I was losing a tiny, minuscule amount of frequency at 1050. Maximum clock is 1594MHz, saw it quite often bouncing between 1580s and 1591-92.
that's too much to pay for a 590. I see them for $180-$190 all the time. That's close to 1660 price which is a much more efficient card. Why gigabyte wifi instead of ASUS or TP-Link? Why would you pay $80 for a 500GB SSD when you can get a 1TB SU800 for like $10-$15 more? 650W is already overkill, stop being retarded. The thermal paste is worse than what the cooler comes with More evidence that you have no idea what you're doing and need to listen. Only thing good here is the cooler choice. I have to go. Maybe someone else will have the patience to help you.
Even stock it shouldn't only be only 20% ahead. 1070 is like what, +40% over the 1060? Vega56 a bit higher than that. But yeah I guess I was off a bit. This is compared to a factory overclocked 1060, and it's 50% ahead though in an AMD favored game. Still +20% must be a product of unigine heaven. I know superposition is really Nvidia favored, but still, +20%.
1600 will not bottleneck a 590, no, not even close.
They offset the tower from the base, it should be fine. I've got a noctua nhd15s on the same board and it has waaaay too much clearance. I initially was worried about it fitting, but that's absolutely no problem.
Jace Brown
>He's a wonderful man and I respect him a lot. >literally praising a stranger that is fucking your roastie ex-single-mother mom because he's paying for your vidya this is beyond cringe
there's a sale for a WD blue 500gb ssd for $64. Is that an okay deal? Is WD a good brand / are the blues worth it?
Oliver Cook
Hey guys, I'm pretty new into PC gaming because a friend of mine gave me his steam account with few big ass games there, to make it easy I really don't know a shit about PC building, but some rl friends told me this is a pretty decent build to play most of released stuff with decent graphics. On pic related you will find the specs of my wanted PC and games I'm looking to play on decent graphics. I'm open to recommendations but keep it on low budget please (Less than $700) Also what power supply do you recommend? I was thinking that a 650w EVGA would be okay.
>1070 is like what, +40% over the 1060? Vega56 a bit higher than that No it isn't. It's about 30-35% depending of games. There's roughly the same difference between a 1060 6GB and a 1070 that there is between a 980 and a 980Ti. Depending of games (eternal NVidia vs. AMD debate), the Vega 56 is a bit above that along with the 1070Ti and the 2060 non-Super. The Vega can be as low as 30% better to 50% better. Using the 2060 review with Sniper Elite numbers since it scales so well. >gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3427-nvidia-rtx-2060-founders-edition-review-benchmark-vs-vega-56
Still, you made me check: 70~% increase is what Gamers Nexus eked out of their V56... with a power mod and by throwing the kitchen sink at it. It's a bit above a V64, reaching a very respectable 1710MHz clock. >gamersnexus.net/guides/3382-rtx-2070-versus-power-modded-vega-56
You may be right that Unigine favours NVidia, bu those cards are not that far apart!
Hunter Gutierrez
Pretty sure be quiet includes thermal paste with their coolers, double check first but you can probably drop the Arctic Silver.
I would also drop the memory to 2x8 and put that money to a better video card. There is generally no performance increase for 32gb in gaming. You only need that much if you are doing actual work with your computer
Luis Hall
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE X570 MATX BOARDS????
Sebastian Allen
Welcome to Jow Forums Also, we always buy AMD here, even if it: >Doesn't work with older games >Overheats and crashes >Has shit driver support >Doesn't work with indie games >Is louder than a jet engine
So please remove those Intel and Nvidia components, even though they would give you a far better experience than all the AMD bullshit people below are about to suggest
Luke Adams
I hear e-die is good, what e-die get lower cl and higher MHz? 3000 cl15 or 3200cl15. Fucking with timings is new to me.
Levi Reed
Nowhere. the AsRock Pro4 is garbage, certified with Buildzoid's seal of disapproval, and Biostar made some chink shit X570 mATX board... for chinks. With a VGA port.
Camden Sanchez
Don't worry about it, just buy 3200 cl16 or less and forget about it. Memory tweaking can only get you single digit improvements in performance
Carson Wright
So I have installed on my 5700shit arctic cooling accelero 3. And after that I launched my games and 5700 didn't increase frequency to 3d it still was 2d frequency approx 60 mhz lol. Is that amdWIN? Card increases frequency in gpu-z test to 1900, but doesn't increase it in games! WTF
(Me) Anyway, 1000MHz seems to be the limit for that Hynix memory. 1025MHz artifacts. Still quite good OC, from 800Mhz to 900Mhz. I may run at 950 or 900MHz daily, but at least it was decently fun.
Is it worth it to upgrade my rx 570 to gtx 1660 or should I wait and get the rx 5700xt (somehow only $50 more than 5700 in my country)?
Julian Hughes
>3000 cl15 or 3200cl15 Prolly a typo. 3000 cl15 or 3200cl16 have the same latency, buy whichever is cheaper. As said, it's not going to be a huge perf uplift but if you're the kind of guy who likes ot get everything they can out of their hardware, get Ryzen DRAM calculator and see at what kind of safe voltages and decent latencies you can OC that 3000CL15 kit.
Daniel Watson
>Is it worth it to upgrade my rx 570 to gtx 1660 or should I wait and get the rx 5700xt (somehow only $50 more than 5700 in my country)? Completely not worth it to upgrade for a 1660. Just wait instead.
Jace Perry
I'm sorry, but you are too retarded for this. Just go buy a prebuilt
Aiden Young
Wait for the 5700xt, it's way better than the 1660
Josiah Long
this series of gpus from both sides has been a total wash desu, just wait for nvidia/amds next gen of GPUs if you want anything decent for the price
Angel Russell
Try to explain or STFU, brainlet amdwinner.
John Lewis
xth for reminding everyone that OP is a fucking AMD shill trying to sell blower gpus that run hotter than damaged RBMK reactors.
And had nothing to do with it, you would be equally as retarded with Nvidia
Chase Gonzalez
Fucking shit and I don't like any of the b450ms either. Guess I'm going itx in an matx case :^)
Gabriel King
Op, just suck niggur cock, you are complete amdtard.
Jaxson Moore
Here's a more even game, slightly Nvidia favored even, and it's still at least 35% ahead. Anyway, 20% is still way under 30%.
But also, consider blower vs AIB card. The AIB cards are about 5% ahead of the blowers, whereas blowers is what almost all the reviewers use in these benchmarks. So 40-55% ahead is what I'd expect before tinkering like you're doing where you can get another 5-12% or so without doing anything crazy like a power mod.
Anyway, I wouldn't use unigine heaven to test because it's not representative of an actual game. Superposition is better, but using an actual game you play is better still.
People with the Pulse seem to get really good OC results, better than I get with my Red Dragon. But my Red Dragon is almost completely silent both fan wise and lack of coil whine which I prefer. Still makes me wonder what it is about the Pulse that gives such good OC results. You're like the 4th user to get close to 1000MHz on Hynix, and 1600MHz core with an UV. I get 935MHz HBM2 and 1560MHz core @ 1030mv.
But yeah, it is fun. I think Vega is the last generation of cards that can really be heavily tinkered with. Pascal and Navi both have overclocking locked down. Though apparently people have figured out mods for Navi.
read the link in the OP.
English? 60MHz is the idle load frequency. There's no way it's that during a heavy game. Use Unigine Superposition as it'll output the frequency on screen. Or use MSI Afterburner with the game.
That's not big enough of an upgrade. 5700 is a bigger upgrade. This assumes you have the monitor to go with it.
nah get team dark pro 3200 cl 14 ram, it's pre binned and just better, 32gb you'll have loads of headroom sure but whats the point when you can have 12gb super fast with 4gb cache? or you can have your shitty 32gb who cares 800w+ gold? you pleb, get platinum and fanless and then only 500gb ssd? wtf is wrong w/ ur upbringing noctua > be quiet just cus noctua comes with better spare parts and isnt such a hassle to assemble, but again, if you're a sadist then who am i to call you a gimp also lol wifi adapter but nah cool cool no worries
>Owner of 1070 GTX that ran perfectly fine at 2560x1080 >Found a sweet deal on 3440x1440 UW one >Few of my weeb games that I sometimes play like Nioh and Nier can't even get 60 fps on any settings >All reasonable upgrades now cost over $600 Will I really have to suck up and wait a whole fucking gen that may never come thanks to Nvidia jewery?
Julian Lee
WAIT FOR 10TH GEN >DON'T BUY NOW WAIT FOR 10TH GEN >DON'T BUY NOW WAIT FOR 10TH GEN >DON'T BUY NOW WAIT FOR 10TH GEN
Caleb Walker
You must be Brazilian
Josiah Phillips
I can't expect Intel to really shine with their 10th gen, or if they do it'll start a house fire.
At worst they'll have to drastically reduce their prices to compete
Brandon Clark
>post intel employee.
Sebastian Hill
lmao it's worse than anyone imagined. People were told to JUST WAIT for this
Nolan Gonzalez
Every now and then the entire screen blinks for a fraction of a second. After a good while of not playing anything there isn't a problem but if I decide to do so and then quit whatever I'm playing it acts up. It's annoying as shit. Using an RX570 and latest drivers. Mostly happens when I use firefox, any ideas?
Austin Scott
get the hyper 212 black instead and you won't need 32 GB of RAM
Jordan Collins
You bought AMD, what did you expect?
Anthony Rodriguez
You must be amdtard, lolkek.
Tyler Walker
whats the fucking point on waiting for intel anymore? theres nothing to await. no new arch, marginal manufacturing improvements, hyperthreading still being a security issue is still very likely, and theyll still have thermal issues. i say keep whatever 14nm intel part you already have or buy zen 2.
You act like manifacturing process is the only thing that matters, a 3 year old 14nm Intel gets completely annihilated by a modern one, there is more to performance than transistor size.
Noah Wright
>Jow Forums said vega is a housefire >AC: O 140-160w power and 55 - 63c temps maxxed out at 1080p >FF14 maxxed out at 60-90w in most cases and 45 - 50c @ 1080p >stock cooler, just undervolted and oc'd. I ALMOST bought an nvidia card because of you faggots instead of this vega 56 for which I paid less than a 1660ti.
