The ad industry is getting afraid

Great article, pinnacle of modern journalism. Wouldn't you love to pay with money or personal data for such fascinating read: basically the whole article is in the title. Both sides declined to comment, there is nothing new - it's literally the title written longer.

yeah but they are stupid,
stupid people are poor

who cares if you reach 4 billion idiots, when they can only spend $1 a day?

google is trash

(OP)

I hope they realize the degree to which SJWs fucked them up. I hope they take that into account and start thinking of ways to avoid their shitty tactics.

I didn't use an adblocker other than a pop-up blocker until Brave came out, and I picked that up just because Brendan Eich was part of it and I wanted a little revenge against the SJWs who ousted him from Firefox.

I put shields down for some sites but fuck YouTube etc who cave in to pressure for censorship. Now I just lol that I basically get the equivalent of YouTube Premium for free by blocking the ads and using youtube-dl.

Brave shills out.

>This is a hit piece on EasyList.

Adblockers literally killed 95% of potential trojan/malware/adware infections and no amount of "muh business" shilling will change my opinion on this subject.

How in the actual fuck?

The best strategy these corporate shills have is "Muh youtube revenue". Seriously? Why do people feel like they have to feed some useless e-celeb?

it's extremely easy especially if you don't have adblock. This was about 2 years ago so I don't know if google upped their security but all it took was a couple clicks and now you have a malware extension called cwjhcbwjhcbwej or whatever. No warnings or anything

they should be afraid.

users are thier product.

users are thier employees.

users will be given automated means to submit bills for thier content contributions.

google will be bankrupt.

and replaced by sites that provide fair pay solutions to users.

10 years google RIP.

Nope. My parents get a ton of malware Chrome extensions too. They prey on boomers.

I installed ungoogled Chromium, with uBlock, and they have had no issues. Fuck Google.

Fuck filtering, webasm is what will do the web in. Your “page” is just some binary blob run by an interpreter, quite probably an encrypted blob.

thats got nothing to do with anything, have you read any modern js code that goes throught a build system? wasm is more readable than that
what matters is what APIs they will have to go throught and if extensions can intercept or modify them

>wasm is more readable than that
You’re missing my point. I want the web to fail. And webasm is the thing which will make it fail.

ok, can wasm make network calls without going through browser APIs?

Of course. It’s essentially like running a Java applet. The browser has no ability to see or control the running webasm program. This is intentional, Netflix and Google and Microsoft and Amazon all agreed.

no
>COMMUNICATION CONSTRAINTS
>As previously noted, a Wasm application cannot directly interact with the system outside of the sandboxed environment. As such, it cannot directly open a normal network socket to the outside world. Instead, much like JavaScript, it can open a WebSocket.
>This means that within a browser, a Wasm application cannot just call anywhere it wants. The receiving end has to be ready to receive a WebSocket connection, meaning that outbound connections effectively have to be wrapped in an HTTP request. This was discussed in depth in our blog post on in-browser miners.
>Wasm can also take advantage of the XMLHttpRequest function provided by JavaScript. When calling this function, normal HTTP requests can be made. These requests will be subject to the same-origin policy of the browser.

This is why it's important to have a man with principles like Gorhill.

accelerationism is literally brainlet tier, "I want the web to fail" is as fucking stupid as saying "I want to put the genie back in the bottle"

It's out, nigger, it isn't fucking going back in. Stop trying to actively make things worse, it's literally just a temper tantrum.

>Why do people feel like they have to feed some useless e-celeb?
This is a huge part of the problem. Data-mining me, and putting my security at risk, all in the name of feeding e-beggars, is absolutely out of bounds. Fuck these people. If you want to support that shit, then the internet should have an opt-in for ad-based trash. Leave the rest of us out of it by default. Let us choose to use a paid for service (still without ads) if you worry about losing money.

cope

That’s bullshit, wait and see.

I’m not the one making things worse, but I’m done trying to stop it. Embrace the chaos.

the problem of the web is a political one
companies have more power than the government
that's why it doesn't matter if you come up with web-utoptia-4.0
google and co will just EEE the thing just like they did with several other protocols and now they're even going after smtp, I mean they have massive power even over the standards body, Blink controls the standard now
you would need to stop lobbying AND make rules to protect the web from hostile take over
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the other solution would require people to cooperate and ignore eee attempts, but since people are shit and corruptable I won't even bother explaining

>That’s bullshit, wait and see
just stfu and admit you're talking out of your ass
if would be easier for them to implement a new html tag like that has different restrictions than to push wasm to negate the sandbox

peak journalism

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Journalists are universally inept invalids

Is it? All they have to do is turn the page into a video rendered on a remote server, with interactive virtual buttons over where the interactive elements are. What's keeping that from happening is the fact that the web rendering and streaming would have to happen at the ISP level (lest someone just download a browser that can render shit itself), so Google would have to pay ALL of them to make it happen. And despite the monopolization, there's still some competition in places (which will become everywhere if starlink manages to work out) so whoever did it first would be switched away from FAST. So they'd all have to collude to roll it out all at once, and people might actually drag congress into it. And maybe there's already laws against that absurdity.

you could do that with canvas or some other retard web tech since it would be the same as a video overlay, and variations of the same techniques leading to a cat and mouse situation
your phone battery life would last 10 minutes and apple would intervene just like they did with flash

web.archive.org/web/20190802200316/https://forums.lanik.us/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=43148

Well with phones there's less of an issue for ad companies, as long as they can lock the whole system down. No unlockable bootloaders, no ability to side load applications, means no ability to install software outside of the default "app store", which can just kick out anything that doesn't fuck you over once such a system is in place. Then they don't have to stream web pages constantly.

Nah they’ll walk back, the webasm apps will be first class and have full access to the networking stack.

because I don't want to see random shit whenever I browse the web.
ads fuck with the look and layout of the page.
They're unaesthetic and every time I see one I think that some stupid fuck that is desperate for money is behind it. Good products spread by word.

>ads
>2019

Mythical creatures are for

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Are any of you fags seriously not already using a DNS level adblock like pihole?

thats not the point of this thread you fucking donkey

Use AdNauseam you retards, there is a reason why it made ad companies seethe so hard, it even got blacklisted by Google.

>Good products spread by word.
I swear Jow Forums keeps getting dumber by the day.

I'll never understand the mindset. Maybe it's just from growing up with computers and tech shit my whole life, but as soon as I ever saw my first ad on the interwebs, I started thinking of ways to get around that. Just as, when I was a kid, I'd use a VCR to tape shows so that I could watch them by fast-forwarding the commercials. It's hard to put myself in the mindset of someone who has to deal with exponentially MORE AND MORE ads every year, and still doesn't even look into the possibility of working around them.

But what's more, it's especially unbelievable when there are plenty of people I've talked to about internet and adblocking, and they'll still not bother trying out any adblocking software. Especially boomers like my parents. I think their entire generation has been brainwashed to find commercials comforting in some sort of pavlovian way.

have you watched the cable guy?

Brave is a decent start for normalfags, but doesn't offer anywhere near the level, of protection and blocking that something like ublock/umatrix does

that and there are plenty of alternatives for e-celebs. Instead of bitching about people blocking ads, most of them now just shill products themselves within their videos. I honestly don't even have a problem with that because you can always skip past a part of the video, and at least that requires them to put in some effort and stoop to actual shilling.

the jim carey movie? yeah, but not in a very long time and I don't remember any of it except for him creeping on people.

This here. Worked in a mom & pop shop for 5yrs removing ransomware and cryptolockers all day. Did not matter what brand of antivirus was used. Install adblock and the porn dude coming in every week for a reformat had nothing but praise for us fixing the problem.

Antivirus is like having sex with diseased whores and taking STI treatment pills while you do it. Adblocking is not having sex with diseased whores at all.

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Ads on tv, ads on the radio, ads in printed media, ads in stores,ads in my physical mailbox,ads in apps, ADS,ADS, ADS. This shit is infuriating. Why must you ruin the internet, too?

he's not wrong faggot, your local business has a better chance of getting customers through other people

Just wait till he dies from autism. Then you're fucked.

The more normies the better - if everyone used adblock, the fight against adblockers would only be that much more intense.

unchecky is also good.
Stops the retards installing toolbars and shit that get packaged with other programs they might install.

I suppose that's fine if you only care about skating by as a single individual, but I'd personally like it if everyone in the world used adblockers. Yes, the push-back from the ad agencies and jewgle and the like would be immense, but I want nothing more than for them to actually feel the burn. Not like it is right now where some minuscule fraction of the population blocks ads and the legions of normalfags viewing that shit more than make up for it.

who cares what normalfags do? Without normals to watch the ads everything would be paid or get shut down.

I run openwrt with an adblock addon on a shitty 20 euro router. I don't even get these annoying pop-ups that ask me to disable adblocking any more. Fuck that disgusting industry.

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That's what I want. I don't just want to slip past the radar browsing the net without ads. I want the entire system based around ads to collapse.

I would accept ads if they didn't include tracking. If it was just ads, I'd be ok with it.

Honestly true. If we were just talking oldschool ads where there was an ad bar at the top of a page, I wouldn't mind. What I do mind are pop-ups, interrupts (like on youtube), and tracking scripts.

Obey, consume, die.

Everything can just go back to early broadcasting days with the Colgate/Philip Morris Gaming Hour

I agree, if the ads were just hyperlinked jpgs I wouldn't give a shit, but instead they're universally vulnerabilities

You know how some people dont give a single shit about
>evo 2019
>fashion
>football
>cars
>not being obese
? Some people dont take internet or their electronic devices worth of their time. Like what will happen? It will stop working? Lol, big deal!

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foss bug reports , kind devs, and autotrader has a fairly smart IT guy... the system works.

>everything would be paid or get shut down.
I for one would welcome the complete collapse of the ad-funded """free""" internet.

I would block ads even if there was no tracking involved.

Because history has shown they fucking won't be unless you have a third party human manually review every single ad on the internet.

how do you know what products exists and if it's good for you? you never know when you might need it

Is this bait or an actual question?

If I know I need a product, I'll search for the best option myself. If a product exists which I would want if I knew it existed, I'm likely to hear about it from friends or through one of the many niche interest communities I take part in.

I have literally zero need for untargeted "broadcast style" advertising and refuse to be tracked for targeted advertising.

Advertising isn't about informing people and you damn well know it. If it was, ads would be strictly factual and wouldn't contain flashy graphics, appeals to emotion, or psychological manipulation ("Act now! Time is running out!") The fact that ads do all these things - and have a conspicuous dearth of hard information and specifications for the products advertised - makes them nothing more than attempted fraud.

I also have zero need for "broadcast" advertising, and I also have zero need for targeted advertising, whether or not it invades my privacy. (which, currently, all targeted advertising does.) Don't call me, I'll call you. If I want something, I'll go looking for it.

In a way I agree with you, but here is the problem. The elderly.

My grandfather was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, and wanted to spend his final days at home. He was never tech savy, but we got him a laptop, and he was incredibly excited. He simply wanted to read news, and play poker-related games. Since he was finally confined to his house due to cancer, he really wanted to see what was so great about the internet and why people were addicted to thier computers.

It was horrible. Simple websites tricked him into downloaded fraudulent antivirses that were malware. Websites like dailymail were unreadable with adblock, and because his vision was deteriorating, he constantly needed help closing pop up ads that had a transparent, microscopic "x" to close out of. Little by little, he used his PC less and less, and went back to watching local news to get his information. Even though I set up ublock, it was difficult to show him how to use no script to whitelist sites. Eventually, he gave up and stopped using his laptop.

He died a few months later. It was pretty sad, but apart of me was really frustated that his final days, where he could've seen amazing pictures around the world, read foreign news, played online poker...it was all simply sabotaged by the ad industry by forcing intrusive, and malicious ads that target people who are unaware of how vile the ad industry really is.

+Don't forget to pay your taxes xD

There needs to be more incentive to watch ads. I started using Brave but my timed saved is more valuable than collecting the BAT bonuses at this point.

No, making fucking ad lootboxes is not the solution. It's a new and interesting form of cancer.

I don't want to be paid half a cent to watch ads. I'd rather see the ad-supported sites not make any money and go bankrupt.

it's worse than that.. my ex gf, when we first started going out, i noticed she didnt have ublock, so i said to her hey i can block all those ads for ou if you want and she said no because.. because..

SHE LIKED THEM

You're a moron if you don't realise word of mouth and happy customers are better than ads.

tfw adguard dns + automatically updated ~99,000 domain hosts file + ublock origin in each of my browsers

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if you don't manually whitelist cookies or use very rigorous uorigin settings, you probably still have tons of cookies

all browsers set to clear all cookies and cache upon exit, and subscribed to a lot of filter lists for anti-tracking, nefarious cookies etc...

>ex gf
Dodged that bullet

>turn the page into a video rendered on a remote server, with interactive virtual buttons over where the interactive elements are
This, I assure you, is the future they have planned.

>implying production wasm won't be similarly minified and thus even more unreadable
lol

after the wasm disassemble and reprocessing the code to your favorite format, brainlet

I for one cannot wait for the advertisement industry to crash completely. But something has to replace it as far as website owners are concerned. Either embedded image or text sponsorships in web articles hosted from the site's own server (kinda hard for the advertising company to keep track of), or some sort of microcoin donation system (requires infrastructure that doesn't really exist at the moment, it needs to be a stable and easily convertible currency that doesn't impart significant conversion/transaction costs). I'd be fine with either.

Isn't 4channel ad supported? I just want the reputable sites to switch to some form of donation/poll system that's as anonymous and nonintrusive as possible, and all the sites that prey on ad clicks that people don't actually care about will die. Like fucking facebook.

Nothing has to replace it. Many of the corporate sites will crumble, and we can revert back to a 1999 style of internet. Can't wait to be telnetting, bbsing, and gophering all the time again.

the internet has already degraded into the equivalent of 90s cable television, thanks to the ad corps raping it, bareback.

people are already getting tired and started to look for the exit. the next generation of kids are going to rebel and disregard the internet.

madison avenue should be razed to the ground

I guess I can somewhat agree with you, but wouldn't that mean the death of the internet as we know it? The free sharing of ideas and information would wane, because it's no longer free.

Just do 1st party ads and problem is fucking solved.