>make a $110k year as a developer working for a shitty local business.
>rent a house with your best friends and shit on them for being so "poor"
>drive a brand new tesla.
>brag about buying a $800 star wars lego millenium falcon set.
Jow Forumsentlemen this is your modern day manchild developer.
Who else works with insufferable manchildren devs?
Not me I
>make 5000 euros/mo from home
>live in village
>drive tuned golf gti on gas (no tesla charge station in my country)
>never brag, it's a sin
Long live outsourcing. You Americans worry about marketing and leftist PR rot, we eastern europeans will do the engineering.
jokes on you user you're missing out on all the sweet "lunch and learns"
I lunch on my own and neighbour's cattle and vegetables, and learn by talking to fresh minds from outside my headbanging team. It's an insult to me for a company to pay for food and gym and such.
Im on vacations, feels good
work for a different company then?
comfy, what's your occupation?
Tfw work in US but take a 4 week vacation to Eastern Europe and that direct debit hits. Eastern Ukraine is pretty cheap.
Literally the only reason I want to get a job as web dev is to leave my parents house and stop being a burden.
I don't give a fuck about material stuff or money as long as it covers my basic needs.
I'm quitting in September on my 1 year anniversary. this was the worst company I've ever worked for.
>Who else works with insufferable manchildren devs?
Devs at my work are childish at times, but nowhere near as bad as this.
Thank God
>code fags
found your problem. network security infrastructure is the way to go
>more pay
>less competition
>still get to code
>job actually matters
my brother
shut up ivan your country is a shithole
I used to work with 6 women and a fag and it makes me want to crash my car daily
he's romanian
Every fucking day. The industry is as glorified as college for the most part, and I regret wasting so many years doing empty tasks for empty people
I know how you feel everyday has become completely meaningless at my job. the goal post moves every hour there's no sense of organization. Honestly I can't wait to take my leave. I may not have a decent job for a while after my departure but I honestly don't care anymore. it's either take a leap and possibly drown or rot away in this wage-cage hell.
most corrupt country in europe...
had another existential crisis working my dead end dev job
this.
the privacy will be pretty nice, too. i'd probably buy some stuff to draw on paper and in Krita.
Have you considered you're mentally ill and need to go see a therapist? Your grandpappies and great grandpappies worried about making sure their jobs were done right so they could make sure their futures and the futures of their wives and kids were secure. It's incredibly narcissistic to not be able to stop thinking of your own non-existent suffering for 8 hours a day while you're getting paid out the ass to do ez work. You should be grateful and just take it in stride even if you're not thinking of moving up the ladder. If you're being abused that's another story, but you just sound bored and self-absorbed and drowning in self-pity.
if you work you lose
yea you pretty much nailed it... still doesn't make me feel any better
I've always hated being inside and sitting at a desk for long periods of time because I grew up being a loser gaymer and I resent it.
But during the summer I find office jobs because of obvious reasons and then all other times I find jobs which have me outside almost all the time.
These fields attract the worst types of people which are obnoxious to be around if you invest your life to the field. In my opinion... But they're better than Indians. What's with Indians and not showering/smelling bad? It's a point of pride for them or something...
>>make a $110k year
stopped there. If you make that money you have zero reason to whine.
That's kind of naive of you to say. Your income does not equate to happiness. I know people who make more than that and are constantly under pressure and unhappy. Ironically they also spend much more. So they're NET income is significantly lower than even a McDonald's worker.
And I know people who are McDonald's workers that are much happier and have more money.
It really depends on the person. Sure it'll help for the "future" you if you manage it right but most of your life is spent working so if you do something you hate you have to weigh whether or not the income is worth the downsides. Some people it's not, some people it is. Depends on the people.
So go see a therapist, your insurance probably covers it
Bark some more. The times back then didn't have to deal with the streamlined bullshit of today that begins from the job search and onwards. And, unlike today, my grandpappies and beyond had something to work for. Even at a minimum wage they still had the means of providing for a family, a house, a car, a monthly bbq, good tv programs, and so forth. Getting a job was not only easy, but primarily predicated on your determination and initiative
Today is far from the case. Streamlined processes that further detach human interactions, "corporate growth" mentality, harsher socioeconomics, and so on.
You've really shoved the bluepill up your ass.
>hue
>remote working for muricans
>making enough to be in the 1% (literally)
>extremely comfortable financial situation
>living in a comfy city with nice cool weather
>remember that my coworkers make 2-3x as much as me to do *literally* the same work as i do
>remember that this is probably as high as i can go - a slightly less brown pajeet that's just cheap workforce for muricans
i kind of hate it anons. money didnt make me happy. can anything?
American dream died in 70's. Keep posting that #freedom Miguel.
you can try actually using that money instead of just collecting it like a pile of rocks
t. neet who wishes he had spending money
>tfw loved programming when working on my own stuff
>hate it when working for normie retards in exchange for money
have you guys ever thought about making your own stuff and earn that way? im not talking about inventing huge shits like facebook but something smaller, is there a change for small guys to take a piece of the pie?
use it for what?
i've broken past 100k and i FINALLY came up with something that i wanted to spend it on - got a bit of an upgrade for my computer (3700x now) and i'm planning a trip to see my bong friends.
i've been working for more than a year on this company and i never even wanted to spend it on anything. i doubt i will after the trip.
i used to make $3 an hour at my previous codemonkey job (in brazil, not remote for whites). i know what that feeling is like. but i dont know what happened that made me not actually desire anything once i actually could afford it.
im sorry if it sounds privileged or something user, i dont mean to sound like a cunt.
i figured i could make some money building spy gadgets and stuff, but that requires a lot to invest in tools for making hardware.
keep sending your women to the red light district
Keep on dreaming your dead dream José
I just left a job paying 85k full time with 4 weeks pto and decent benefits because I feel my soul rotting away.
I'm starting a 6 month contract in Denver next week, I don't care that I'm unstable I just don't want to let them rot my soul. It was the same fucking job day in day out, and my coworkers all treated me like a child because I'm so young. Fuck the old bloods.
I started a Software Consultancy, I don't work in any industry to be a specialist and invent some software for them.
Would double down on this, the man is against us. There's no way to get significantly ahead without them collecting most of the money legally.
Imagine caring about what your coworkers do in their spare time. Just shut the fuck up and do your fucking job.
I'm mentally ill, I'm self absorbed, but the amount of shit I take from this job is immeasurable, not only that but my boss is literal piece of shit bootlicker sycophant. The only way he got to his position because he's slaved away at this company for 7 years. he's so burnt out and lazy, he doesn't check anything, writes haphazard "stories" and bosses the developers around.
>remember that my coworkers make 2-3x as much as me to do *literally* the same work as i do
>remember that this is probably as high as i can go
Move to the US then, earn the same salary as them, plus:
>Get mandatory gender and diversity training
>Get told that your code uses opressive and triggering terms
>Share the company office with aids trannies
>Forever hide your power lever or risk leftiest telling on you to get deported
>Get unlimited tinder matches with feminist xe/xirs that only like you to get diversity points for having a migrant fucktoy
>See your taxes being sent to Israel
>Pay the jewish landlord $3000 a month for a cuckshed
>Risk getting shot everywhere you go
And yes i know they shoot people in br but at least you can just give your wallet to the thugs and they will go away. The amerimutt will never take your wallet, he wants your life because he was bullied.
bros, what's the easiest way to i get a comfy remote dev job? ive got a cs degree, 2 years of experience and fluent japanese/english. how do i start?
>Leave school with no qualifications.
>Join the Royal Marines.
>Ten years as a booty.
>Get out.
>Consider PMC.
>Consider maritime security.
>Realise I'm done getting shot at IRL and living in shitholes.
>Computers have always been a hobby.
>About only thing use them for is to play ARMA with other ex forces guys.
>Work as a manager for a small garden centre because it's easy.
>Like the flowers and shrubs and things because it's calming.
>Couldn't imagine working in an "office" type job, even though I do technically work in an office as a manager, but still spend most of my time outside getting my hands dirty and growing nice things.
It's done wonders for my mental health.
why are these people such babies?
they complain all day but they havent workes as a shit cleaner at mcdonalds like i have
im fucking stoked that i get to work as a codemonkey and these people cry about it during breaks
can’t relate sweetie
This all sounds good to me.
I was really depressed and I live in a third world country, I am part of the 1% here.
I recently just realized how lucky I am, I bought my own house, have $40k in the bank and just recently got a remote job (non software) that pays me $1.5k a month with flexible hours.
Obviously the money is not a lot for your standards but it goes a long way here and I have 0 expenses, I realized how working actually cured my depression and I'm going to university as a 24 year old next year to study CS, hope to get a comfy 50k a year remote job when I graduate.
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Welcome to this mornings standup Jow Forums, oh user, you're late? ok you can go first
Is this being first world country problems? As a NEET I wish I had your problem instead I have no money, savings and also depressed.
>manager at IT company
>new guy joins
>he's a total autistic
>don't use contractions when he talks
>speaks like he's reading a script
>walks funny, doesn't take lunch breaks
>doesn't join in on any activities
>typical gen X management fucking hates him
>calls him a creep in management meetings
>they call him out in front of everyone for not coming to after-work activities
>he tells them that he has a life outside of work, and unless he is required to attend he would rather spend the night with "someone special" and not his coworkers and boss.
>that night the management team drunk heavily and plotted to get rid of him
>i don't make waves and just stay quiet
>the next day they call him into the management room
>tell him he's not a good fit for the company and isn't working out
>that they need real team players and not "lone wolfs" doing their own thing
>"Right. Well if that is your decision, Give me my most recent work performance, documentation. I know for a fact I am in the top, 25 percent, of developers, when it comes, to output."
>"umm, this is private documentation sooooo like, no. we don't have to like, release it so uhhhh, might not want to put that on your resume without proof kiddo haha"
>"you have no idea how freedom of information releases work. You knowledge of the law rivals your management skills. poor at best. I will gather my belongings and leave."
>he goes to leave and they follow him out
>"NO! you need to get out now! you don't work here any more, this is trespassing!"
>"that is not how this works. call the police if you wish"
>one of the guys grabs him
>"DO NOT TOUCH ME OR I WILL PRESS CHARGES!"
>jerks away and continues to his desk
>security comes over
>"what's the problem?"
>they explain
>"Uh, well you grabbed him so I can't do anything, he has a right to get his stuff before he leaves"
>he packs his stuff despite the managers trying to steal the guy's personal keyboard
>keyboard, mini exerciser bike under the desk, some phone charging gear
Sounds like a good idea, as long as you have the motivation to get it done.
based autismo
>no "tat" at his desk at all, just some programming guides
>people are asking what's going on and the managers threaten that they will be next
>leaves without incident
>he was one of out best devs, so his loss is felt by the actual team
>a week goes by
>people suddenly stop talking to managers
>the fuck is going on
>everyone still comes to all activities, but they clearly are uncomfortable
>managers called into CEO's office
>There was a freedom of info request the company fulfilled
>the autistic dev
>all internal emails with his name were released to him
>he emailed all the staff the emails of management discussing him
>CEO is fucking pissed
>"What the fuck is wrong with you people? this is a fucking IT company, we do IT on contracts. it's not a fucking social club for you losers because you have no fucking friends. Go the fuck home at the end of the day, stop forcing the other staff to hang out with you. eight people have given notice today, EIGHT! you either fix this shit or you are all out! you too user, I don't give a shit you weren't involved, you knew and didn't do a thing about it!"
>manager named Claire who REALLY hated him "Hey, he was a creep, he kept hitting on me and I think he was stalking me"
>"Oh for fucks sake Claire don't even start! the man was gay, He's in the same motorbike club as my brother, him and his boyfriend ride matching bikes every weekend, get the fuck outta here and clean up this shit mess you've made, i'm giving him severance that is coming out of ALL YOUR PAYCHECKS so he doesn't fucking sue us, Jesus Christ!"
>I moved to a different job in a different city as soon as i had the chance, i'd never get another promotion again after that clusterfuck
I love it when bro management types try to play fuck fuck games. Especially when they call their attorneys. They loose. Every time...
It's like they just think that the whole world is on their side because they have always gotten their way, it's such a genX thing
>$120k year
>rent a house by myself
>drive an old toyota
>brag about having time because I'm young and not married with children
feels normal and privileged.
man unleashed his power level
As Eastern European: you still live in corrupt underdeveloped shithole.
I plan to get the fuck out of my country and move to USA, Canada or Australia
>freedom of infor.ation
Is this outside the US? FOIA only applies to federal agencies.
I spent $3,000 at Comic-Con, not including the tickets. I'm in love with Kim Possible. I wonder if her pubic hairs are also bright orange. If I couldn't code, I'd prolly be pushing a shopping cart with all my belongings and talking to myself, prolly about coding.
> gen X thing
No, not necessarily. I'm gen X as well. This feels like a universal thing. Or maybe it's the generation above you? I don't know. In my case, it's the two managers my age, and an HR person a generation older.
Can you move to another job?
Based
Probably Europe. Most of those countries require actual reasons for firing you. If it were the US they could just tell him to leave and they wouldn't need any reason
>drive tuned golf gti
fuck off gypsie
>make minimum wage
>live out of a van
>saving around £500-800/month
>super comfy because I've lived in poverty all my life anyway so this isn't much different other than the fact I actually have money
Maybe I'll start my own business soon.
Damn son. I work 10 hours a month and I get paid $50k.
you guys are crying about making loads of money, yet I cant land a software engineering gig or an electrical engineering role anywhere. FUCKING KILL ME.
My dad is getting old and I realistically have 5 to 10 years to finish my degree, move out, stabilize, and save to support my father.
Not anymore. Romania sent more politicians and rich fucks to prison in a few years than any other country on the planet in the last 10 years. Show me something similar in any Western country. You can't and that's because politicians and the rich in Western countries are pristine, virgin Snow Whites, right?
So stop repeating bullshit you've heard in the media 20 years ago, things have changed a lot since then.
>Fly planes
>Glorified weatherman
That's kinda it goodnight
>make 12000 USD/year as a business analyst (previous devops) in a huge MNC, too fucking bad I'm based in the Philippines
>living alone in mom's house as she's moved away from the city
>commute, no car
>gym daily
>scuba/freedive at least once a month
>take a 9 day vacation and travel SEA quarterly
Fucking hell, imagine what I could do even with just half the money you cucks are making.
>travel outside of SEA
>don't have to risk getting mugged renting cheapass airbnbs
>live a very comfortable life
>while still having enough to save for investments and retirement
Anyone in New Zealand? What are the chances of a company actually sponsoring a flipcuck's work visa?
I'll take minimum wage despite having 5 years of work experience in a US Fortune 500 company.
$80k, midwest, pretty decent
We go get lunch on the company card 2-3 time a week, nice 90+ minute lunches
Spend at least 2 hours a day working on personal projects
Actual time spent developing I'm free to choose whatever tools I want and carve whatever path I desire
Drive a five year old Porsche Cayman S
Dinky lil mortgage is less monthly than rent at my last apartment
Legos are still fun asshole
Software engineers are on their job shortage list, so it shouldn't be too hard to find company to sponsor your visa.
Thou New Zealand is not very known as IT hub, so don't know how good job opportunities are.
I plan to try my luck with Australia (Sydney in particular) as they are biggest startup center in that part of the world.
Indonesia NEET here. I'm jelly.
Joke's on you, I'm so late it's already over.
Just trying to stay part of the body.
Talk to a financial advisor. Listen. If you really don't care about material stuff or money then you could live frugally for the next 20 years and retire. Sooner if your goals are really just to survive.
I've been talking a friend who has been working there as a nurse for more than 5 years now, and I've been told that recently AU companies are sponsoring fewer and fewer expats.
Which route do you plan on taking? Finding a company first and have them deal with all the paper work or did you sign up in their immigration process and hope to get drawn a year or so?
Ayy kontol memek, drove a motorcycle all around Bali and went diving all over the place
10/10
Amed
Tulamben
Nusa Penida
All the food
0/10
All the party places
I'll come back for sure for Lombok and Komodo National Park.
Pic related, Mount Agung, I was waiting for the sunset, still had to drive around 40km on a scooter, and the entire road all the way had no lights.
Get yo ass up and be a wage slave so you can visit all the wonderful places your own country has too man.
Finding job where company would be willing to assist in work visa, but looking at jobs so far it's not encouraging.
Most explicitly require to already have work visa and few that mention they are willing to help with visa are senior positions.
Australia is not my only choice, I'll look for job in Canada and US (thou this will be even harder then Australia), and in Europe (Germany, Netherlands, Sweden) but I rather go for English speaking country, than to have to learn some ugly ass language as German
NZfag here, I work in a small company as the freshly graduated and sole software support engineer and it's a blessing and a curse.
>everything I do is too esoteric for anyone else to understand, a lot of independence, no micromanagement
>generally only work with well adjusted human beings and experienced developers from a consultancy when projects demand it
but
>absolutely no benchmark of how good of a developer I am
>no peer review for most of the stuff I do means I fear I'm writing shit code that will break at important times
>noone to keep me in check or stimulate problem solving
Honestly I wish there were more concrete objective measurements of performance, because I am a little insecure and worry that when I leave this job I'll embarrass myself.
Try and see. Not a Jow Forums job but my british friend got in as a front of house restaurant manager and immigration was very nitpicky - he was denied some more privileged visa, maybe permanent residency - because the job he was working was advertised as requiring 3 more months of work experience than he actually had, despite the restaurant vouching for him pretty enthusiastically. I suppose reading the fine print should be obvious when immigrating but this was a very nebulous requirement for the application about "demonstrating fitness for the sponsored role" or something.
Finding entry level work is the only thing I have experience with and it sucked, but everyone of my classmates did it. With that kind of experience you should be pretty competitive I'd imagine.
Really? Ouch. I work 5 hours every quarter for $80k.
>100k/yr work from home; infosec engineer
>quasi-nihilistic lifestyle
>excess money after 401k, bills, necessities goes to getting inebriated and savings acct
>drive 6 year old entry level luxury sports car
>long term girlfriend, no plans for kids
>video games, getting a good buzz are the only consistent goal every night (anything else is played by ear)
>genuinely happy
life is about enjoying life. if that's what this guy is doing, then god bless him. I suspect what he's actually doing, at least partially, is looking for attention by constantly signalling his success with his toys to the people around him... But I'm admittedly making a lot of assumptions without having all the details. if it's the latter, it'll be a bitter day when he finds out he can't fill that hole with trendy, expensive toys, if ever... and if he doesn't, hell spend his whole life feeling like there's something huge missing in his life that he can't quite put his finger on.
Good luck man. I've tried both Singapore and Taiwan, for the past 8 or so months I've managed to take around 4 exams (not those cognitive exams they give you to get shortlisted, but actually got on the phone with the HR for an interview and then handed the test).
So far I've failed all of them, can't blame anyone but myself, but this proves that all you have to do is send in your resume everywhere everyday, and all you have to do is wait, in my case, 4 potential job offers in 8 months.
If you're set on Canada and plan on living there permanently, it should be just as easy as
>gathering all the required documents (IELTS too)
>get enough points to be in the lottery pool
>hope you get drawn
>gather further requirements (toughest part is show money upon entry)
Congrats you're now an immigrant, don't bother paying agencies unless you have the cash and just too lazy to deal with getting all the requirements on your own.
I believe Australia has the same system, but both will cost you a lot
>IELTS
>show money
>certification if you graduated from a university which the country does not recognize
>fees
>more fees
I guess I'll try the same approach I tried with SG and TW then.
Having no mentor or senior people definitely sucks, all you can do in that scenario is to be as self critical as possible.
yeah, Canada and Australia have point based system, but that's for getting permanent residency and I barely have points for that.
I would rather go there on some kind of work visa and then after year or 2, when I have more points, apply for permanent residency.
Good thing about Australia and Canada that they have quick path to citizenship for skilled workers, you can apply for citizenship after 3 years in Canada and 4 years in Australia.
I think it's a numbers game, people all over the world apply, so they have ton of applicants and chances are slim, so you have to apply to hundreds of jobs and eventually you land some job.
All the gypsies I know drive high-end Mercedes and BMW models. Golfs are for gopniks and/or people who grew up on NFSMW.
>have a weekly lunch and learn
>free dominos pizza while some teammember talks about something vaguely informational
pretty sweat deal imo
The wagecuck lifestyle has its problems, particular in that now I feel like I have the tools and motivations to really make something myself, but now lack the time. But it's still far far far FAR better than my 5 years spent being a NEET.
Plus no matter how much you try to downplay it, it's a huge confidence booster. "What do I do? Oh, I'm just a senior developer in an exponentially-growing Fintech company. I mean, that's not what we're here to talk about or anything, but yeah, I got that going on. What's that? Tell them about my 50% raise? Oh, don't make such a big deal out of it; it's still bellow market for my skill-set. I'm just trying happy to be working in such an interesting problem space." Plays a little better than "well, I ref soccer from time to time, it makes decent money when it's on-season. What do I do on off-season? I just... you know, work on personal projects and stuff..."
>make 4000 eur / year
>live in smol town
>live with grandma and grandpa
>driving bike
are you cashier or dev?
What is it with developers and Tesla?
They all like to suck Musk's schlong
invest it
change the world
or if not that, then change the country
if not that at least change your city
fag car for ultra fags.
dude, if that's being a manchildren I wanna join the club now
I wish user. I couldn't even look someone straight in the eye nowadays much less imagine working. I'm probably the closest to Jow Forums incel streotype in this thread. Obviously no neetbux in Indonesia we have too many people already.
It sucks but the older I get, the more I realize everything needs money nowadays and your status in society is determined by your wealth.
>Not having at least $20k shitposting money on a separate card for cool shit on vacation
Relying on your direct deposit to hit at the right time is wagie af
How old are you?
Did you finish college?
Are you fat?
If you are in your 20s and at least got a degree, work on shedding the fat.
I'd imagine Indonesia is pretty close to the Philippines as far as working conditions go, thus with a college degree it shouldn't be hard to find work in a call center (seeing how you are able to interact here, it shouldn't be a problem). There are call centers where you don't talk and just chat/type instead, so you can at least try that.
Here's what I did to get out of my /a/ and /jp/ phase
>gym
Lift, cardio, get mad gainz. No one in the gym wants to talk to you, the gym isn't for socializing. Do your routine and leave.
>care for yourself
Shower, shave, dress well (properly fitting clothes, solid colors, simple/no patterns, plain shirts), don't eat like a pig, drop soda and sugar
>work
Money, without money everything is hard. Money makes everything easier. Don't think of work as something you have to enjoy, just go there to make money. Obviously if you enjoy it that's fine, but that does not have to be the case. You work to get money.
After that you can do fuck all.
110k is nothing
desu i was making more
now im sat with cat .. i got 3 screens am working on raspberry pi. shelved android
fuck all that
all offices = unpleasant