ITT we discuss Jow Forums approved ways to connect to censorship-free and SJW-free instances.
Remember that social media is useless to the public when it is censored because among the things censored is the truth and discourse that results in true progress.
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blocking instances you don't want to see isn't censorship
having a moderation policy isn't censorship
"free speech friendly instances" are loaded with SJWs just not the tranny kind, instead the kind that only cares about social justice for redneck whites and christians
Dont use social media unless its for banter/trolling
>baraag
who
lolis
>blocking instances you don't want to see isn't censorship
it is if you do it for an entire userbase
no, the entire userbase can register for an account somewhere else
>the entire userbase can register for an account somewhere else
yeah, because the userbase's admin is practicing censorship
blocking unwanted messages for someone else isn't censorship that's called providing a service, if you don't like that service you can bring your business elsewhere
>blocking unwanted messages for someone else isn't censorship that's called providing a service
no, it's censorship. that service wasn't founded to do that. it just decided to censor stuff regardless of what the users want.
you are wrong and the fediverse was literally created so people would be able to choose an instance with a moderation policy that they agree with, don't like it then find another instance and quit your bitching
>the fediverse was literally created so people would be able to choose an instance with a moderation policy that they agree with
except users were forced to be blocked from other instances all of a sudden because the admin just wanted to.
It's like paying for an ISP that suddenly decides you can't read Jow Forums. It's censorship.
>a social media site is an isp
literally no, stop using these brainlet analogies because they are making you dumb
the fediverse does NOT mean you can force instance admins to host things they don't want, telling them they can't is censoring them, you can always make your own instance
>telling them they can't
nobody is telling them they can't. i'm just calling them censorious because they are.
t. Retard
lol imagine being this deluded
a group of people wanting to censor another group of people are still practicing censorship, even if they all agree with it.
its not necessarily bad though; most healthy communities implicitly censor a lot of things. there's no need to be ashamed of censorship if it's helpful for your community, but trying to avoid the word will only make it easier for instance admins to overstep their bounds in the future.
self-host a pleroma instance
also I have like 5 or 6 fedi accounts because they're quick to register and it gives me backups. You can even export/import following, although I've held off on this as it's kinda spammy.
they are not censoring no matter how hard you cucks want it to be true
for example Jow Forums is a technology board and offtopic posts are not allowed, the jannies aren't censoring when they delete the gay shit you fags post about trannies or whatever, i am very happy for them to provide this service for me because if i really wanted to circlejerk about that trash there are 1000 other places i could go to do it
in short FUCK YOU you propaganda spewing pussies
see
>its not censorship when [describes censorship]
like i said, its not necessarily bad, but your fear of the word is funny and a bit sad.
except that isn't the description of censorship at all, look up the goddamn word before you post retard, i don't find your gay shit offensive i just don't want to talk about as much as you do faggot
the fact that you can't know the list of instances that are blocked in yours.
"in your account profile settings", so you can opt out the filtering or....
even know if a person from a blocked instance is trying talking to you.
is not the same at all.
if the cuck in charge of your instance decides that you're a faggot today
and you gladly accept is your problem.
this is not near comparable with rules of behavior you accept before hand.
and creating your own instance is not going to solve a shit.
BIg idea. create system where everyone can interact. but instead of letting people decide what they don't want to see.
do it for for them on big scale even without their knowledge. genius.
keep thinking is rules, curation, it's censorship.
>t. have never been censored on social media
wtf are you dimwits going on about now?
alright Jow Forums, who should I follow?
which accounts are actually worth following?
>the fact that you can't know the list of instances that are blocked in yours.
ask the instance admin to publish the list
>opt out the filtering
there is no reason for you to do this, open the blocked instance in another tab
>if the cuck in charge of your instance decides that you're a faggot today
having an account on someone else's computer is a privilege, not a right
>let people decide what they don't want to see
the solution is to create your own instance even though for some reason you seem to think that will do nothing
reminder that some may not want to do this and may not want to maintain block lists themselves either, so they are happy to let someone else do it, for example i am happy to let the mods do their thing on Jow Forums
>rules and curation are censorship
you are 100% wrong and you have no idea what it means to run a website
yeah i've looked it up. you're so afraid of the word you've become aggressive.
I like shitposter.club for a nice comfy pleroma instance
Also gab is federated if youre into that kind of stuff
except you didn't look it up at all, you're so afraid of the concept that you see it where it doesn't exist
ok, I create my own instance in the same vps I have some websites right now.
then what?. I do my usual postings, like some SFW drawings of lolis.
following the rules of my own instance and most countries.
So then a faggot like gargron is going to censor my instance and
I won't be able to talk with anyone in his instance anymore....
like for example the dev of fedilab. not because I'm sending lolis to him or any of them, not because they blocked me on their own.
just because the faggot banned my instance with out telling or asking them.
yup my own instance solved a lot.
If the blocks are not in control of the damn users. is censorship.
the fediverse is not you damn bubble. pls stop trying to turn everything into another safe space.
oh my god there's a lot of people in the street.
don't they know I hate being around people.
there are many instances that accept that content, stop being mad that some won't, people on gargron's instance most likely don't want to see that and you are being a monstrous faggot by thinking you can force it on them, it's not fucking censorship when it's done voluntarily you retard
>Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".
Like posting off-topic stuff on a technology board.
>objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient"
offtopic posts are deleted for zero of those reasons, try again
>offtopic posts
>not objectionable content because of its lack of relevancy to the purpose of the board.
then what is the reason they are deleted my dear user?
for being offtopic
there is no objection, the rules of the board are well known
>there is no objection
There is by definition user.
Someone post an offtopic post.
A moderator as an objection (a feeling or expression of disapproval) because it infringes the rules of the board and deletes it.
>offtopic
tell me what makes a post offtopic user? I think an offtopic post is offtopic when it breaks the rules of a board, and how we know if a post breaks the rules? We objection it. It could be as fast as looking for 1 second or take days to think but it is still an objection.
come on user, just admit that you like censorship when it applies to thinks you don't like.
give an example of something you've had censored
>give an example of something you've had censored
What are you even going about user? What has that to do with anything?
Why do you need a personal experience from me?
The fuck is this? I haven't lurked Jow Forums in half a year, why is this thing with fed in the name being shilled here?
Jow Forums wants their own part of the internet. they want to use "safe and private" social media sites.
>Why do you need a personal experience from me?
because free speech absolutism is a meme and i'd like to know whether:
a) you're actually suggesting something through a nuanced viewpoint and i should take what you say seriously, or
b) you have taken this stance because of some personal grievance and furthermore understand that, when you reduce this particularly complex problem to simpler terms, you can begin to advocate for it through morally unimpeachable rhetoric.
>ITT we discuss Jow Forums approved ways to connect to censorship-free and SJW-free instances.
step one: host a fediverse instance on your own hardware
step two: federate with every other instance
that's it. That's all you need.
your entire post is not relevant as a moderator can delete a post without having an objection to it, making a logical decision about something being against the rules or not is not an objection
anyway i don't care to argue this semantics with you any longer, lay it off because you aren't accomplishing anything and you will never change my view on this, having conversational rules on an internet forum is not censorship because it's voluntary
>come on user, just admit that you like censorship when it applies to thinks you don't like.
literally wrong as i visit many sites that say things that i don't like, which is why i'm used to people like you trying to push your narrow viewpoint on me and failing miserably
imagine being this much of a bootlicker
>not wanting to constantly have threads derailed into offtopic shit and trolling is being a bootlicker
no
>potentially cool technology
>autists fight over muh censorship
shut up bitch, if people don't want to talk to you or read your autistic rambling shit it's all your fault
> deflecting this hard
How much are they paying you
i'm in awe of these measured responses
censorship free is by definition not "SJW" free.
you aut right incels are just like the sjws you hate.
of course, i dont "hate" you, i just think youre like bronies. youre annoying hahha that totally means i dont hate you.
anyways, thats why only left wing opinions should be allowed here.
i'm sorry but who is paying me and what am i trying to deflect from?
How does wanting to censor a thing make censoring it not censorship?
having rules isn't censorship
reminder that if you
A) dislike censorship
B) consider the rules of Jow Forums to be censorship
then you should leave this site immediately
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>making a logical decision about something being against the rules or not is not an objection
How is it not? You see a post, you realize it breaks the rules, so you oppose to it, in other words, you object it.
>literally wrong as i visit many sites that say things that i don't like
Well fair enough.
>shut up bitch, if people don't want to talk to you or read your autistic rambling shit it's all your fault
No one is saying otherwise, but that is censorship m8.
I'm just saying that blocking specific stuff is a form of censorship.
OP wanted to make a way to connect to something that is both censorship-free and censoring SWJs.
Well i dislike some censorship, specially if it's from a forum that says they do not censor, but a board of technology i can see why they would censor specific stuff so i don't dislike it.
you don't need to be personally opposed to a post to delete it
>a meme
words are wind. they cannot hurt you.
what about anonymity?
iven never found the fediverse remotely appealing bevause of forced namefagging amd "identity" that focus more on who you are, rather than the content of your posts.
not to mention, how would you hide your servers from faggots that try to dox or DoS you cause of shit you said.
yes, so? You still are censoring it because it breaks the rules
your post is off topic.
gee i wonder why 'conspiracy' is a crime then. it's just words, which are wind.
the post breaking the rules doesn't mean there is an objection to it
censorship implies you had a right to say it in the first place. you waived that right by coming here where saying that is against the rules.
>the post breaking the rules doesn't mean there is an objection to it
Then it shouldn't be removed even though is offtopic.
It doesn't, censorship simply is the removal of content which is deemed unnecessary among other things.
actions and words are different things, cunt-for-brains
no one gave a fuck about your deleted post and censorship, nerd
but maybe I give a fuck but l have not idea what were the deleted post or what did they say.
> more deflection
Answer the question incel
The Fediverse is overall a good thing and a major factor to help overturn the proprietary social networks stranglehold by providing open source federated alternatives
Mastodon, Friendica, Diaspora, PeerTube ( noteworthy as the only real competitor for YouTube from a technical point of view given every other is centralized and proprietary meaning they have to somehow afford to host YT levels of content which even YT operates at a loss etc. By comparison PeerTube can spread the cost out over many instances ). And others all are worthy software with nodes available with a wide variety of rules or focuses .
self hosting videos in a central site is perfectly fine for most purposes though : ecelebs like pewdiepie, reviewers like fantano, redlettermedia, could have self-hosted videos on their own webzones yesterday if they chose.
i regularly visit sfdebris, which in fact does not use youtube at all (though he has switched regularly from one third-party host to another, at great expense and hassle, when he could have self hosted)
i find the insistence peoppe have on using these third parties totally absurd.
I don't see any benefit to a "central site" depending on how you describe that. It would be great if those you mention could either roll their own PeerTube instance on their hosting ( which would be equivalent to self hosting on your own webspace/server/cdn rented ) and / or use another PeerTube instance. Of course you can also do both, as well as uploading your content to more traditional hosts like YouTube if necessary. PeerTube just lowers the overall costs of hosting media entirely vs even first party centralized hosting, so it's a nice benefit.
I should mention that any sort of self hosting is a benefit but only if you have the money and existing audience to make it worthwhile.
Those guys you mentioned could take all their shit off YouTube and rub it all from their own website hosting, or move entirely to PeerTube etc...and their viewers would follow. Not so for 99% of content creators especially new ones just building up a base of viewers and income.
That's one reason PeerTube and the Fediverse as a whole is a good thing. There is still the potential for content discovery and ways to mitigate costs, which only grows the more Fediverse users there are. Sure many will want to also host on Twitch and YT as well in order to max viewership , but Fediverse as primary becomes easier more it grows and the threshold for popular users to make a stand and bring their audience over shrinks
i don't have any deleted post actually, as far as i can see even after i left for hours none of my post have been deleted.
You're using that argument when it's convenient for you, Vice tranny. Next thread you'll be second post complaing about PC.
Shit, I'm starting to recognize some of the trannies here by posting style.
Don't listen to the tranny user, we're just being raided by sois these days. It's a twitter alternative, and "federated" just means everyone can host an interconnected instance.
Good to have you back, soldier.
>because free speech absolutism is a meme
Glow harder. Why can't you join the 40% already? I'm tired of you, just do everyone a favor and kill yourself please. The earth is low on resources anyways, please think of that.
dilate
Tfw google is censoring my email by blocking based and redpilled nigerians and viagra salesmen
Daily reminder that the guy from one of these fediverse thingies (mastodon I think), can't remember his name, sold out to the EU.
Unfortunately most of the info about it was on this tech thread
OCHO ch net/tech/res/1050200.html which of course nobody archived.
Translator note: ocho means 8 in spanish, think chavo del ocho.
Nevermind, found it.
archive.is
i mean "central" as in the traditional, one-server, many-viewer model of hosting, rather than peer-to-peer distribution.
i dont mean central as in many authors under one corporate media publishing website.
off-topic is only good in moderation.
its nice to have "culture", but it should not preclude being able to have the ontopic discussions alongside them. flooding the catalog with (e.g franxx) is "on topic" but it equally prevents discussions as the supposed off-topic scourge.
if anythig there is an argument for (automatic?) moderation on the basis of signal/noise ratios rather than imprecise human feelings.
>if anythig there is an argument for (automatic?) moderation on the basis of signal/noise ratios
Agreed, so that low effort lowercase posters like you automatically get punished for it.
Host the instance on a vps then. Should run fine on the cheapest one you can find.
Ah I see. The problem is scale and cost with that kind of centralized hosting. Anyone with a following to break away from a corporate media site like twitch, YT, Vimeo etc... Would have to spend a lot to host/stream all their video to the point it could be cost prohibitive.
Even YouTube itself is known to be run at a loss, because of the incredible storage, bandwidth, access costs of hosting all that media. Google pays for it out of their other profits as even the ad system isn't sufficient; they do it simply to retain control and gain access to all that data for their other projects This is why most other central media hosters or even a solo site end up trying to monetize the hell out of it which can degrade the experience.
Having a combination of federated, distributed servers and peer to peer doing a portion of the heavy lifting on the media itself, is likely the best route forward in terms of both practical costs / features, as well as openness ethos. PeerTube is the best example I've seen to date as it can be used in a variety of different cases to near universal benefit.
This, based. Thank, please reproduce.
Imagine being this brainfucked
imagine being this cucked that you think everyone who doesn't want to hear your endless whining and shitposting is a tranny
good question
You do realize that if you make something less SJW you are doing the same shit they do. Have everyone around in one place, if they wanna be an SJW tranny on the internet, it would be their choice but it doesn't stop me from laughing at their retarded choice.
>censorship free is by definition not "SJW" free.
Jow Forums has basically no censorship (except child pornography) and I can't say that it is full of SJWs.
>anyways, thats why only left wing opinions should be allowed here.
What is "right wing" about being against corporations censoring the internet?
Or wanting to preserve workers right, against immigration, for that matter.
Imagine coming to a thread just to shill braindead bullshit
>they are not censoring no matter how hard you cucks want it to be true
why can't you accept this is what they are doing you dumb lolbergtarian?
>you aut right incels are just like the sjws you hate.
I love how people just say this like it means anything other than "haha whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!"
SJWs are insane. Everybody else is normal.
no, having a moderation policy is not censorship, leave Jow Forums immediately because there are mods here and they delete posts regularly