Why are there hardly any large european internet, software or electronics companies around?

Why are there hardly any large european internet, software or electronics companies around?
What caused Europe to fall so far behind virtually everyone else?

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Because of retarded laws and a general disinterest in technology

But where does that come from considering how famous for example germany is and was for it's engineering?

the eu is too much of a mess for anything productive to happen

lost 2 world wars...

different kind of engineering

EU economy contracted yearly, at least in the last decade (i.e. 0

>EU economy contracted yearly, at least in the last decade (i.e. 0

just search for eu gdp and inflation, it's public data

engineering cars and engineering wafers or jewish data schemes are completely fucking different.

I don't see that as "falling behind" at all.
All large companies suck.
They provide shit service, working for them is hell, and they only care about shareholders.

Small to mid sized companies is where it's at.
And we have plenty of those in Europe.
Instead of buying everything from Amazon we have 20+ different independent webshops to choose from.

The EU has laws that prevent these mega corporations from growing too large. Like basic privacy rights.

Exactly.
Nearly all of those "tech" companies are really just marketing companies.
All they invent are new ways of making people click on ads.

Europe does the real engineering.
And Asia does the manufacturing.
America only does the selling to end consumers.

BS, all these American and Chinese mega corporations operate in the EU and make great profit. EU also has moderate protectionist laws and still european companies can't compete.
The truth is our economy has been going down for quite a while and there are many reasons to this.

wtf is ebay?

the german engineers and scientists who built most of the nazi war machines were given opportunities to move to the united states and work for the US

plus the population of jews in europe more or less moved to america or israel after world war 2 and consider that four of the eight engineers that formed intel after splitting from Schockley Semiconductor were jews

germany got fucked bro. look at the automobile industry. they make by far the worst cars now. its bordering on a tragedy

We rely on the US to save money therefore your people can feel good about themselves. Same with defense. We use all saved money for gibs.

They have to pay for their market dominance tho

>What caused Europe to fall so far behind american companies that own the internet and spy on you everyday?

I don't know about other eu counties but here large companies usually get split by regulation

Not just gibs. Also research.
Most EU countries allocate a serious slice of their budget for research. This is true for the EU budget as well. Many smart people get directly into this public research facilities after university. Almost nothing is felt in the economy, most of these research institutes bring nothing that is economicaly viable.
Meanwhile, research in the US is mostly in the private sector and has a huge impact in the economy.

Not enough digitalization and automation of the bureaucracy paperwork and regulations. Oudated education. Among other things. These two issues would be easy to fix.

>they make by far the worst cars now.

>what is Tesla

This.
We don't want mega corps.

Nonsense.
All the good university graduates go off to work for commercial companies because they pay 4 times more than what universities and government institutions do.

In America all the brightest people are hired by Facebook and Google, where they waste their talent on making people click on ads.

Then why do megacorps dominate almost every economic sector in every european country?

Because Europe, despite inventing both the computer and the internet, has been extremely slow to actually embrace it which allowed the US to basically snatch it all up.

safest and coolest car in town
best selling ev too

ahahhaha
it's simple
as US factories used to be in east asia that's how we get our goods from u niggers

>Europe
>slow to embrace the internet.

All the big internet exchanges are in Europe and have been for decades.
Europeans companies were all using e-mail when American companies were still using fax machines.

Even to this day American internet speeds are utter shit.

>safest
They had to retract that lie.

>best selling ev too
Fairly sure that's still the Nissan LEAF?

Anyways, by "worse cars" I meant build quality.
Panels don't even line up and everything breaks constantly.
Tesla is a battery company, they have no clue how to build a car that doesn't leak or fall apart.

I think having stricter laws around data collecting on a massive scale might be a factor.

They don't.

Not my experience, public research institutions give a decent pay and are pretty relaxed (good life-work balance and very hard to get fired). Also, most of the time, research teams choose their own projects, so you get to work what you want and the government funds it. It also is a natural path to go, because in uni you already work with them.
But if what you're saying is true where you are, that can only be good I suppose, unless
>they waste their talent on making people click on ads
but i get the impression this happens mostly to those that want flashy big names on their cv.

No job markets, so all the good developers move to USA.

It's like, Okay you can live in EU and earn 30k/year and live nicely, but what if you just move to US and earn $300k a year, even with the fucked up rent you can stash way more money per year.

Instead of megacorps Europe has a lot of small to medium sized companies specialized in niche markets.

Your chair broke? The piece to repair it is only manufactured in germany by a small factory with 10 employees BUT those 10 people have extremely good working conditions, they work max 7 hours a day at a slow pace, long paid vacations, above average salaries, employment safety (these companies never close down during economic crisis or recessions), etc.
Europeans only work in megacorps if they are useless and can't find a job anywhere else.

Check again the lists OP posted. Most of the corps listed there dominate their market in every european country.

This is also a big reason.
It's harder to find actual research jobs in the EU. Most jobs are code-monkey/pajeet tier. People leave their countries and then the private firms that do need researchers have a hard time finding good employees. This, in turn, puts those european firms even further behind, which, in turn, lowers the chances for bright people to find good jobs even more.

It's only a couple of sectors.
The economy is a lot bigger than just social media and iToys.

>Europeans companies were all using e-mail when American companies were still using fax machines.
The German courts TODAY still use fax machines.

They never embraced internet as a new market like US companies did, the technology was there first, but people just didn't do anything with it.

You are right. But OP asked why european companies can't compete with what he posted. I just said that anti-trust and privacy laws (answer ) doesn't actually answer the question, as these companies also must respect said laws in the EU and they do just fine.

Brain drain to US, euros do have some massive vidyagame companies though

>as these companies also must respect said laws in the EU and they do just fine.
No they don't at the moment it's a very contentious issue that foreign (especially American) companies don't have the same regulations and taxes as domestic ones. Of course regulatory bodies cant be expected to force foreign companies to sell assets and downsize

This is entirely due to the EU. 20 years ago the European consumer tech market was very competitive with the US market. Ericsson and Nokia dominated the early cellphone market. The EU regulations just strangle the ability for consumer companies to compete against US or Chinese companies. All of the companies that could compete did so because they were established prior to the EU, there will be no new companies capable of growing to the size required to compete with China and the US now. The only place Europe still remains in contention with US companies is the industrial electronics market.

all European smart guys (Dijkstra, Stroustrup, Torvalds, van Rossum, and a bunch of others) fucked off to the US

as the should have

and then they unleashed Greta on poor European industrialists
cementing European industry's kneeled position
20 years on, EU industry and military are completely useless
brown wave washes over across Mediterranean
merkels and vonderleydens fuck off to their private villas in the US
Greta is eaten alive by new Europeans
but it's already too late

it's too late

There is truth here.
The US is a huge market, so you can build something and it can grow huge very fast.
European countries are much smaller. You usually build a product for the country you live in, so it's growth is severely limited compared to the US.
The EU aims to create a common market that would be even greater than the US. In reality, people need different things in different countries, so you can't actually develop a product for "the european market", it simply makes no sense. But you still have to deal with all EU regulations that are in place to make the said common market work.
So EU regulations hurt new players, but they, of course, cannot change the fact that european countries really are different and need different products.

Cope

europe is reverting into developing countries

quite the opposite
it's developing countries expanding themselves unto Europe
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>it's the "g*rmany is good at mechanicsl engineering" meme again

Ask any mechanic about the service intervals on Mercs or Bimmers. Ask any deep-lore keyboard nerd just how bad Cherry switches are.
Only thing Germany is still good at is firearms (in which they produced the only advancements since Stoner invented the AR, then the Cold War ended so nobody bought said advancements) and maybe, maaaaybe audio. (Sennheiser and B&O still seem to be not shit from my uninformed ass).

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EU is big. The countries in it are small.

IME it's more like "German speakers" rather than Germans proper
so Austria/Switzerland as well
moar arms/small arms, Örlikon, Steyr etc.
watches too
but all in all, yeah, XIX-XX century shit

although Swiss seem to be making some moves in biotech/pharma and high energy physics, not to mention finances
Nazis' and dead Jews' gold and all that

Nice, but that's a symptom, not the cause.

not as many as there used to be

I'm an American software engineer that has worked at both an American company and a German company's US division (that has both Germans and Americans working together). I'll share some general insight

American company:
>brutal hours. Late nights. Release month was hell.
>everyone had to have a good work ethic
>senior engineers truly earned their title. senior engineers were the most productive, were the most technically skilled, etc
>if you sucked, you got fired
>we did "best practices" in terms of code review, etc, but our Definition of Done wasn't crippling to productivity. It was truly a "move fast and break stuff" mentality. We were constantly iterating
>true collaboration. We talked a lot. We did pair programming every day
>if someone put in their notice they were escorted out of the building immediately (myself included)
>10 vacation days per year

German company (in the US):
>"""full timers""" work only 34 hours per week
>Germans on German contracts get literally 30 vacation days per year, as mandated by German law. Every August, all the German employees disappear for the entire fucking month
>"""senior""" status has nothing to do with ability -- just how long you've been with the company. Multiple senior engineers who somehow write no code (often token women)
>nobody works hard. Nobody EVER gets fired
>the German men are genuinely mildly autistic. They never want to pair program. They just want to put headphones on and work alone. Then everyone gets upset when we aren't on the same page, or when people don't understand other peoples' code
>Germans are insanely and openly negative about the company and its future. Pessimism is the status quo
>if an odd German engineer IS somewhat knowledgeable, he's insanely arrogant. Also, despite being knowledgeable, when you look at what they actually BUILD over the course of say a year, it's laughable -- because they work such short and pathetic hours and take a massive vacation in August and at Christmas

>Oudated education
Very important point, here in germany our computer science education is often worse than it was in the 70s, assuming your state even has CS as a subject.

sorry but mohammed "can't" find work and his 8 children need that money

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>code review with the Germans is bikeshedding 101. They nitpick the most irrelevant stuff and hold you up for multiple days on truly trivial nonsense
>the Definition of Done seems as if it was designed to discourage anyone from ever shipping anything. It's longer than the US tax code and seems like it was born out of German manufacturing processes that don't apply to software engineering
>all the Germans openly mock the US despite moving here for better wages, opportunity, the ability to actually own a real house instead of a cuckpartment, the ability to actually have stuff like air conditioning and an extra car, etc

Europeans are so far behind it's not even funny. Europe will never succeed in software with its lazy populace

Oh forgot to mention

With the Germans

>if someone puts in their notice that they're leaving, it's all just a big laugh. We throw them a party, let them work the remainder of their contract, don't revoke their access, and someone almost always makes a snarky remark about how it will probably be better at whatever company the person is moving to

What's wrong with that?

>Mr Shekelstein I love you please let me spend every waking moment of my life making you rich

I think there's a healthy middle ground. With the Germans it all just feels like a big joke. They act like competition isn't a thing. They act like losing personell isn't a big deal, and they overall just don't seem to care

>I think there's a healthy middle ground.
I agree.
>They act like losing personell isn't a big deal
I hate this shit so much. Every company that does this goes under sooner or later. There is moment when a critical mass of incompetents is reached and from there... well nobody that does his job wants to stay, so the company basically becomes a filter for incompetence. Before going under, there's a pretty long period where working there is hell.

I'll add that in most european countries, both the employer and employee must give notice (which has a minimum duration by law) and it's actually respected and enforced. So you can't just leave. Also you can't just get fired. Of course this excludes extreme cases.

i really hate negative people, they're always morons trying to cover their incompetence

>i really hate negative people, they're always morons trying to cover their incompetence
...unlike so very positive you?

Europe isn't a country. Each european nation (almost) speaks its own language. the culture of europe doesnt vibe with mega-corps. people like local shit. e.g., amazon isn't allowed to operate in my country (Switzerland).

that said, i think we're (Central europe) at tech. Electric bikes, Trains, Watches, high-precision robotics, etc.

Just different market desu. America is good at making pop shit for the mass retard (e.g., tinder) same with the chinese (e.g., Tik Tok). Where europe makes things that have actual value, (e.g., my bro sold his medical robotics company recently for 800m)

>Where europe makes things that have actual value
>Being this financially and technologically illiterate

Scroll up, you fucking retard. All the top tech companies in the world (according to MARKET CAPITALIZATION, aka VALUE) are American.

Delusional fuckheads, you yuropoors are

>10 vacation days per year
Jesus imagine being proud of this pathetic slavery. I used to make fun of Germans for being retarded try-hard faggots but Americans really take the cake for begging to be assraped by some jew

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Sorry I don't really read posts by poor people. Can you rewrite your post above a Jow Forumstard level

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what about car companies?

yes, being negative about negativity is positive, it's simple math

In globalism where nations compete with protected special industries it's only natural that countries like the US have overtly visible tech industries where Europeans have a visible value add industries.

I don't see the problem.

Isn't europe pretty strong in the business market rather than in the consumer market?
And since that market is more competitive it makes sense that there aren't many ultra big companies.

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Cope faggot. I'm German American, the faggots I work with here in the US networking field are knuckle dragging troglodytes. If I'm going to do all the work I'm going to get my fucking vacation days. Inb4 taxes. Jew York already rapes my ass with all it's asinine bullshit.

Europe is stronger in b2b than b2c, but it's not stronger than the US in either of them.

>but it's not stronger than the US in either of them.
Source?

I'm going to be honest with you, I just thought about the b2b companies that I know of and have dominant positions. I got this image now from a google search.

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Stupid laws.
Though to be fair - some really big companies have offices here with RND departments for software.

5/20 isn't too bad and then there all the niche markets where europe is doing pretty good as far as i know.
I think overall we are doing okay in technology.
Though it sucks that americans get that huge amount of money from consumer tech, i'm more worried about tech in critical areas like communication, finance and military where it seems that we are becoming inceasingly more dependent to usa and china.

>Like basic privacy rights
Like that last privacy law that actually took away your privacy, but you retards where too dumb to look past the name?

>I think overall we are doing okay in technology.
Okay is the right word. That's also because many businesses use outdated software and hardware. I think we're doing horrible when it comes to innovation, research and even worse when it comes to starting new firms.

Do you realize how many English and Chinese speaking people live on this planet?

OP comfirmed for being retarded.

>germany
People have found a particular way of doing things and they're more occupied in creating the best possible product with that flawed workflow, instead of experimenting with new technologies.
For instance : There are a lot of companies that don't even use git. The usual bug tracker is a wall with post it notes. I've heard a couple of times that unit tests are still not common practice.

Do we really do horrible in research and innovation?
I think we just suck at translating those into business.

I'm surprised fucking LG is that big. Dell too. And Hitachi.

>Ask any mechanic about the service intervals on Mercs or Bimmers

This

Common remarks on German cars
>overengineered
>cramped
>shop queen
>expensive
>high status for richfags

Common remarks on asian cars
>cheap
>light
>a dream to disassemble and repair
>bad suspension
>needs sparse maintenance
>ideal for daily beaters

>>all the Germans openly mock the US despite moving here
This is the worst one. All europeans are like this. We need to deport 1st and 2nd gen eurocucks. Tourists are nice but these cucks who came over chasing money can't get over their envy even though when you work in tech you can virtually live like a king. Even fucking gypsies talk shit it's amazing

too many regulations to innovate. Too much of a welfare state to incentivize survival.

Let's see.

>high taxes so that shitskins don't starve but don't worry, some europoor will try to convince you it's for "health care" and other bullshit
>garbage services
>anti-technology laws
>did I mention high taxes?

>Do we really do horrible in research and innovation?
Yes, we are really bad at research and innovation within business.
>I think we just suck at translating those into business.
Sums up my post. I've made some previous ones about research in Europe being mostly a public sector thing and jobs that actually require innovation.

Investments and regulations. In the US you can force people to work 17 hours a day or face termination (including weekends). In Europe, that's never flying. In the US, you borderline don't need to give your employees any vacation. Not so in Europe.
Another aspect is salary variation is much larger in the US, which causes businesses to be more likely to have insanely rich CEOs, thus more people willing to head US companies.
There's also things like taxation that plays into this.
Basically, Europe invests in people much more than in companies while the opposite is true for the US, for better or worse.

Really depends where. Hint hint fucking france. Switzerland, UK and netherlands are really good with the research allocations on the other hand.
That said, for many domains, research has been shifting into the private domain (biology being a major one). But it's going much slower than in the US.

>Yes, we are really bad at research and innovation within business
Now i am really curious how justify your claims when a lot research and innovation from american tech companies are nothing but a meme.
Just look at how everything is "innovative" these days and then tell me that we are in fact worse than americans at innovations for example.

Not him but it's true that there is still a lot of valid research from american companies (google, microsoft (used to be the only real company to hire math people to do fundamental research, but satya fired them all), amazon, facebook, twitter, and many big pharma). But that said that's usually because they buy out companies, sometimes from the EU (think deepmind) and those are the divisions that actually do the research while the rest of the company is pretty idle and product-centric (see: google brain).

imagine being this butthurt and obsessed

>In reality, people need different things in different countries, so you can't actually develop a product for "the european market"
DING DING DING! That, and megacorps emerge only in globohomo cultures where workers' rights are considered a joke.

It's hilarious that burgers can't figure this out. Yeah, different cultures and customs do exist.