Was it kino?

Was it kino?

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It was the best.

It was ooh shallalah shallalah la la ohh

it was shit

Based

Cringe

The first versions were okay because they only required a tiny runtime
The later versions were mostly used to make GUIs for C++ programs

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So comfy

>tfw VB was the only skill you needed for many jobs in the 90s
>Literally write some business logic, drop some controls onto the screen and link their events to the logic
Present day:
>Front-end language
>Front-end framework to enable cross-platform UIs
>Controller logic
>Framework for building a controller between the view and the model
>Sever-side language
>Databases
>Database language
>Server Runtime
There's just so much shit you have to learn, and you can't just be an expert in any one of them anymore.

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pls somebody name even one good software created with Visual Basic 1,2,3?

This guy knows

Not what it was about, it was for creating small, specialised applications for businesses. It eventually got replaced by Excel macros and business software getting so huge, they often cover every use-case anyway now.

Half of all shovelware in early 90s?

>tfw this is what I mean when I know how to code

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I still maintain VB apps. Shit's comfy compared to the bloat of .NET. VB and others like Delphi are like the COBOL of today.

Are there many jobs in that?

this

So? It was easy.

Nope, not many unfortunately. I got into one when I was applying for a big consultant for a C# job and I mentioned I knew VB6. I didn't get the C# job but it turns out they were desperately looking for someone with VB experience.

>Microsoft
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No.

MS had a full RAD environment back in the time when Unix programmers were scratching their sweaty balls trying to pipe incompatible commands together into an incoherent mess.

Your argument is invalidated and void

Hey Prakesh, how ya doin?

>You're le poo in the street man because you disagreed with me

Be butthurt, I don't care. Just keep playing with your M$ toys. I will be over here on my NeXT workstation doing something of actual value.

>I will be over here on my NeXT workstation doing something of actual value.
You won't, because you wouldn't have been able to afford one.

>he thinks employees have to pay for their own machines
No wonder you're just playing with a toy OS.

Who the fuck would user be working for? CERN?

>NeXT
Overpriced meme that got outdated by better and cheaper hardware almost the day it came out

t. John Romero

Exactly, and you could make VB applications on a 386.

>VB
>Kino
Dude it was shit. VB represents a lost decade of advancement, by people who should have known better than to use it.
If those people had been working in Assembly, C, Lisp, Python... any number of real languages... the world would be so far ahead of where it is now.
Instead we got a decade of throw-away programs that are either forgotten, or still in use because of 'muh legacy' and corporate cheapness.

>Dude
You're missing the point of VB though, you wouldn't write a small piece of calculating software on Windows for a small business in Assembly. None of the programs were supposed to take over the world, or even be general purpose.

Arguably the world has taken a step backwards since the days of VB, because instead of getting small tailored programs, small and medium sized businesses have to buy massive software packages for about 1% of the total functionality.

>assembly, C, Lisp
>for business applications
Spotted the NEET. VB was incredibly ahead of its time. You can't still match the developer productivity of VB for business programs (GUI + database access) in any of those languages you mentioned, and as a result of the disappearance of VB without a proper replacement what we have today is web "apps" and things like Electron.

comfy.
I remember planetsourcecode was a thing.

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>did I fit in guise?
>I use arch btw
>
>sent from my nexus 5

Quick and dirty programming

We were burdened with these one-off, poorly written, yet critical applications that are a nightmare to support because the boomer who wrote it has either moved on, retired, or was terminated after the business got what they want out of him.

VB was a cancer that we are just now starting to recover from.

I know VB is shit because I've programmed in it.

Go back to /v/, wintoddler. You clearly can't handle non-pajeet opinions.

>the first program I ever wrote was an AOL punter using VB 3.0, complete with timers and all
zoomers will never know this feel

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>VB timers
Comfy

>DoEvent
>timers

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WFA in C#/VB.NET was a direct replacement of VB and works in a very similar manner.

>that are a nightmare to support because the boomer who wrote it has either moved on, retired, or was terminated after the business got what they want out of him
This is a problem with project management rather than the language itself. You can get un-maintainable pieces of shit written in C.

what the fuck is a kino

Sure, assembly like you suggested is much more maintainable and easy to support.

Supposed to mean "theatrical" on boards like /tv/, but practically just means comfy now.


I mean... lurk moar newfag.

Another buzzword Wintoddlers are adopting. They can't make claims of quality, so they call their garbage "comfy", "aesthetic", or "kino".

>Imagine calling VB cancer
>Imagine thinking LISP is a good choice for a simple piece of graphical business software
>Then quoting the client $10,000 and a year of development
>Then running past numerous deadlines
>The software uses a load of linux shit ported poorly to Windows
>To find another LISP developer willing to maintain it, wants twice the amount it cost to develop
I can see why Jow Forums would impress themselves by using this level of MIT-larping fuckery for such a simple bit of software, but I guarantee clients were very pleased with their VB applications back in the day.

A foreign word for movie. Makes it sound just hipster enough.

No worthwhile business uses Wangblows.

That's your defence?

Against what? Your shit pajeet languages?

I'll create a GUI app in Visual Basic, try to track an IP.

Microsoft is a worthwhile business.

Being a retard and using shit purely to impress yourself, rather than what is practical for the client.

I don't write shit for retarded boomers. I write important software for trained technicians.

> I write important software for trained technicians.
Woop-de-doo, that wasn't what VB was going to be used for then you fag.

WINTODDLERS BTFO

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Winforms+C# is such an absurdly easy transition from old-school VB.
Haven't tried to port anything over, but if I'm starting a new project, the learning curve is minimal.
Everything is really familiar, except I'm working with a dramatically better language.

See, I can't actually dispute this. VB's primary design goal really is just to allow the user to rapidly put out a program.
It's designed for small to "medium" (whatever that may be) scale programs, but inevitably, feature creep expands the quick and dirty program into a gigantic, toppling tower mess.

but god damn, you can just get shit done

This place is full of NEETs or people that have just started college. They just don't have any real experience, and those who do are interns or junior programmers. It's like trying to argue with a 10 year old.

there is only pain

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This. Anyone who questions Microsoft needs to do the needful and seek higher education, sirs.

NOOOOO real programmers only use Vim and C, that's what that 80 year old neckbeard told me!! All the best companies only use Linux!!!

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>Vim
No one uses Vim, it is nothing but an hobbyist fork of Vi. And Vi is garbage. Use Emacs instead. Spend some time at MIT and you won't be so ignorant.

>t. Stallman

>Spend some time at MIT and you won't be so ignorant.
I don't think I want to trust anyone from MIT after dealing with X11.

But you will trust someone from Bombay after dealing with VB?

>Implying VB doesn't predate offshoring programming jobs to India wholesale.

I don't think I've ever seen a VB application written by some fucking indian.
it's all just shit hacked together by new-hires and some small business that needed an inventory system and the boss had his "technically capable" son shit something out in a month and it's been hacked on by "technically capable" employees over time so it's a steaming pile

and MS of the time wasn't busy outsourcing either AFAIK

It doesn't. Microsoft has always had an interest in cheap labour.

>I don't think I've ever seen a VB application written by some fucking indian.
I haven't personally seen a fox, I guess they don't exist.

they don't
they're a myth

But it's your word against his own experience. I could tell you I've seen an absolute symphony of a program and it was written by Mongolian monks.

>2006
>spend an hour to set up some code and a GUI for a prototype in your IDE
>2019
>spend four hours just downloading dependencies for your UI
EXPLAIN

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>With Bloatiumâ„¢, we are truly changing the world by introducing shit that takes for ever to set up, and even longer to feel the benefits of.
>Bloatium does away with the archaic "do one thing and do it well" concept and instead encourages a "Feature creep is good! Everyone needs to be a full-stack developer in JavaScript" concept that will allow you to reduce your workforce and maximise your profits
>We told a certain group about it, and they were so excited they just had to make an apperance today. Let me welcome onto the stage, Motley Crue!

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See? Toddler-level responses.

This but unironically

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But user, I was being unironic. It's literally because there are frameworks that in theory are supposed to open new paradigms for existing languages (like turing JS into a serverside language..) or introduce web technologies into desktop software so corporate branding and styling can be shat all over it.
It takes fucking forever to learn it all, it's more shit to go wrong, it makes it applications huge and ultimately it's all just to make it "easier" for developers to be full-stack, so businesses can hire fewer developers while paying the remaining ones no more.

You can integrate an ASP.NET project into an Electron app... that's too fucking far man.

Still better than raw win32

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Take that back.

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Most of the Windows Entertainment Pack was written in VB 1.0.
Check and mate.

>bloat
>Delphi
Ask me how I know you never even touched Delphi

I made a nuclear reactor simulator with VB3.

me too, I prefer it over github. Most of the stuff on github is poorly commented and there is often no explanation or any screenshots or anything really to see what the fuck the program does.

>ole 2.0

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What kind of worthwhile products do they produce? Certainly not wangblows

AHEM

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What's the deal with that? At uni it was drilled into my head that you need to comment everything, then I look at open-source programs and there's hardly a comment anywhere.

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Graphical GUI builders have always been shit. And the kind of messy paradigm Visual Basic has encouraged has ruined some developers' ability to properly manage state.

How do you know that I never touched Delphi

>Most of the Windows Entertainment Pack was written in VB 1.0.
I don't think so, none of those proggies include VB DLLs

I know of someone who hardcoded the year in his application and so was always asked to do "yearly maintenance" by the companies that used it

>Messy paradigm
>Business logic

Fire up your Windows 3.1 VM, throw a folder of WEP files on.
I was about 12 at the time, so a big system modal error message about VBRUN100.DLL was confusing and scary, and so is burned into my brain.

kino is for movies you fucking idiot

Ahem.
On Local Error Resume Next

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You're for movies

duck typing in VB is much superior than most scripting langs nowadays

WEP (Windows entertainment pack) came out during the Windows 3.0 days. Fun little games they were. Syantec also had a little game package. Anyway these little games were and still are fun as hell. Used maybe 5MB.

Games now - 10GB (or more) and bloated as shit plus most just suck ass. "play once and done" affairs. Did I mention the the WEP games are still being played now even though they are all well over 20 yrs old?.

Do the shit right, it'll last longer. Now it's a matter of slapping some shit together any old way and not giving a shit about how tidy it is or even how good it is. Number of units (copies) sold is more important to them.

Look at Word 97. Look at word 2019. They do the same shit broadly speaking. Difference is that one's been bloated to fuck and back and has had shit offloaded to the "cloud" while the other is nice and slim and has no need for the "cloud" in order to work.

It’s because games back then had some clever mechanic or idea, a reason to exist versus nowadays they try to use high res graphics as a substitute for gameplay. Same with modern software, the old shit had a specific purpose and it served it well, new shit is just made to be shiny new bloat designed to track everything you do and serve ads.

Oh man, memories...