ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.
Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >R7 2700 - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >AAA or multiplatform games: Radeon card appropriate for your montior >PC centric or VR games: Nvidia card appropriate for your display >Used RX 570s can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p 16:9 >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync >A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
How much faster is 3200 CL14 compared to 3200 CL16? For use with a third gen Ryzen system.
I know Ryzen really likes tighter timings, but I'm not sure how much.
Asher Thompson
does having a mid tower vs mATX tower have any real effect on thermals?
Nathaniel Rodriguez
asked this in the previous thread, which had this in the op. asking again since I haven't received any responses yet
>Beware sites which rank CPUs by arbitrary, obfuscated scores (eg userbenchmark, passmark, cpuboss)
where should I look, then? I don't think I've been able to find any reliable cpu benchmarking sites that aggregate synthetic and real-world benchmarks for the sake of easy comparison as conveniently as said sites do with their less reliable/obfuscated scores. all I can notably think of atm is reviews for recently launched products, and scores that have been published on synthetic benchmarking software sites, except I'm not sure as to what extent they can be reliably used for comparison due to just about everyone using different setups
also worth mentioning is that I'd like to be able to compare single-thread and multi-thread/core performance specifically as well
Sebastian Thomas
Best mATX X570 board for a 3900X?
Henry Davis
Go back to the source (usually reviews or revisits of particular products, which will compare said product against products of a similar classs) Techpowerup, techspot, gamegpu, etc
Luke Lewis
Probably more about noise levels at that point, their ventilation shouldn't be all that different compared to ITX.
Christopher Edwards
>memory overclocking guide tells me I should make a discrete OS installation for memory overclocking, because there's a chance that unstable memory could corrupt my OS >"nah, it'll probably be fine" >said me, one hour and one windows reinstallation ago
The thing I miss the most is my Chrome tabs. All that porn I had saved to masturbate to later...
Levi Parker
there are none in the market yet there’s only one mITX for sale currently, the Aorus X570-I
Michael Lewis
A Murphy's law disbeliever getting schooled again.
Jayden Diaz
Why are people so quick to dismiss ray-tracing? There aren't many games that use it much at the moment, but if the newer consoles will have it, then doesn't that mean that it should become a bigger thing in the future? Also, if you're at 1080p, the performance hit isn't a big deal. There are definite diminishing returns in increasing resolution. 24" 1080p looks fine. It makes more sense to think of new ways to improve visual quality that don't simply involve pixel count, yet if you mention this everyone just laughs at you. If it was just a trick by Nvidia, why would Sony and Microsoft be leaping on it so willingly with their new consoles, even when they're powered by AMD? The attitude that ray-tracing is just a gimmick or that it isn't worth considering doesn't make sense.
Kayden Torres
Ray tracing is enough to take me from 300fps to 40fps in quake at 1080p. So, yes, I would say the performance hit is a big deal.
Samuel Adams
On which card?
Jordan Anderson
I only have a mATX case. Should I consider switching to ATX?
Was planning on getting the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3, but they screwed up the memory traces, so now I'm hesitant to get it before there's at least some reviews on it.
At least the Aorus looks a lot cleaner between the CPU socket and memory.
Aaron Wood
looking for a mATX server case, good thermals and quiet
William Bell
>Why are people so quick to dismiss ray-tracing? Because amd doesn't have it. That's it, that's the only reason.
Oliver Russell
Barely faster at all, and even then only in some CPU limited situations
Ayden Price
How about 3600 vs 3200?
Angel Davis
Alright, I'll probably pass on the CL14 then. It's $200 CAD for 32GB of 3200 CL16 and $155 for 16GB of 3200 CL14, so it doesn't sound like it's remotely worth the price difference.
Jayden Rivera
A bloke is selling their ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q for about $350. Should I get it?
In terms of the monitors I was looking for, I was looking at the Nixeus Edg v2 and the new LG moitor (Don't feel like looking up the name. The new IPS 1ms one).
This is local so I could inspect the monitor before I purchase. What are your thoughts Would it better to get the newer monitors I was considering or pick up this deal?
Colton Wright
I have a question regarding regulators.
I'm getting my build with a Ryzen 5 2600 and an RX 570, with an EVGA 500B.
What kind of regulator do I need? I was planning to get a Koblenz that says "1400VA, 600W". But I've had with my a TDE Pro Net for around 15 years, the label says "120V ~60Hz Cap. 1000w" It has never failed me but I've never plugged a desktop PC to it, I haven't even changed its fuse, ever. I have no idea how this works so I hope you guys can help me.
Any idea when the GPU market will stabilize itself again?
Benjamin Adams
It's shrinking so never. Maybe next gen if there's real competition again.
Alexander Roberts
never Customers are buying shit at over priced prices, both NVidia and amd are ripping people off. The only way it will change is if some theird party comes in and puts out gpus that are both good and cheap to force the other two companies to cut back on the profit margin they are used to raking in and give us fair prices.
Adam Harris
Is it really shrinking? AMD is actually decent now and next year Intel is jumping in as well
Leo Diaz
Can I get a recommendation on a blue key mechanical keyboard? I literally just want something that types very well and is economical, not fussed about the way it looks at all Also is there any particular mouse pads that feel better than something at a supermarket?
Ayden Harris
At the current trajectory, never. Needs something to shake shit up.
Austin King
what if a third party puts out GPUs that also rip people off because they see that Nvidia and AMD are doing fine yes, looking at you, Intel
Daniel Roberts
I have zero hope that intel does it in a good maner. It has to be a third party that is completely new and not yet used to jewing people, neither does it have rabbit fanboys defending it's mistakes and short commings...looking at you amd.
Julian Ward
They have to have new tech or it won't be competitive and then it's just a race to the bottom.
Ethan Cox
buying a card 'now' for the sake of a feature becoming popular 'later' isn't the wisest decision.
Lincoln Smith
I am glad we are that fine whine is retarded and that moar cores is retarded
Brayden Bell
you wanna run that thought through Google Translate a few more times, buddy?
Nathaniel Anderson
coming from r9 nano, still very serviceable. Is it worth upgrading to rx 5700 (non xt) once third party boards are available? 1080p 144hz freesync, mostly play Forza 7, Apex, Mechwarrior, and Insurgency Sandstorm. I keep thinking of waiting for next generation but only game pc really struggles to hit 144fps is Apex now. Ryzen 2600 and 16gb 3200
Ryzen 3 2200g 8gb ram 500gb ssd, I'm going to install the 8tb drive tomorrow after work.
Mason Ortiz
Does and or Nvidia do better in open world meme titles, planning on picking up a new gpu for dying light 2 whenever it comes out but i have some titles to play now as well.
Easton Allen
how long till they drop
Connor Rivera
For 3rd gen ryzen it doesn't matter much as much as tightening up subtimings to be optimal does. Most anons seem to be having no trouble getting cheap Micron E-die to 3600CL17. Waste of money.
Isn't there only a sinlge mATX X570 board, the pro4?
You only get 300fps in Quake? You should be able to get 500+ pretty easily.
Because it looks like shit. Full of artifacts. I don't even care about it running like shit. I like good graphics. What is the point of making graphics look worse AND run worse?
Intel is mainly jumping in to make better laptop graphics and for HPC markets.
Sure. The 5700 uses about the same power consumption as the Nano for twice the performance. You won't get one as small since it doesn't use HBM, though. It'll do 144 in Apex Legends easily.
Depends on the game itself. Generally, AMD has done better in complex scenes, but RDNA is a new architecture and that's not always true anymore and GTAV was an Nvidia optimized game to begin with.
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David Green
Is a i5-8600 non k paired with a 1080 good or should i upgrade cpu? I have a good deal my friend could give me these its a msi gaming x 1080.
Justin Roberts
You are braindead if you think the 2500k was/is an "overkill CPU" and don't realize the 3930K existed.
Get a better CPU. 6c/6t isn't enough if you want smooth framerates. It's basically a 4670 tier CPU relative to its time and you'll wind up feeling the need to upgrade in the near future if not immediately, depending on what you play/do.
You can use the r5 3600 with some b450 boards.
Henry Ramirez
At work refreshing fucking 5700 xt every 5m on websites. Feelsbadman
David Barnes
There's only one mATX x570 and it's garbage. Fagzoid hated it, more than usual. The gigabyte ITX board is pretty decent apparently.
ATX is probably the future going forward unless you really want to limit yourself to ITX. A few SFF PC manufacturers talked to motherboard manufacturers and were told that mATX is basically a dead standard now, so there's ATX for mainstream and ITX as a niche, not a particularly great one imo. The Gigabyte ITX seems to be the only decent x570 board right now with decent components, good VRM, and 2 nvme slots. But you're getting significantly less IO than mATX
Xavier Morgan
You're good. Ignore the paid AMD shill.
Anthony Parker
The 5700XT is kind of mediocre desu. It's only slightly better than partner 2060 supers, given it still has a price advantage but the partner cards didn't give the big boost people were expecting. No need to stress out over it, it's not a 3900x or anything
Isaac Myers
Recommend me a good board within 150 bucks with wifi. To be used with a 3600, ideally with support out of the box or bios flashback.
Luis Lopez
buildzoid pretty much just looks at the components used which ignores UEFI, heatsinks, etc. Need to heavily take that with a grain of salt.
The 5700 alone is better than the 2060S from what I've seen. And uses less power. Did you miswrite and mean 2070S, or non-XT?
Asher Jenkins
I have a 3900x comically enough.
Jose Garcia
He looked at the VRM and heatsink and said the ASRock mATX would cook itself if you ran a 125W Zen 2 chip on full load for an hour. If you have a series of rendering or transcoding tasks you're gambling.
I'm a lazy fuck >Currency EUR >Budget 2000 >Budget 1500 Suggest a build
Christian Morales
Not the same guy but I think he's saying that if a feature is needed for the future and AMD has it (fine wine: drivers get better over time; more cores: you will need more cores in the future), people shill the fuck out of it. But if it's a feature from an Nvidia product that seems to something you need in the future (Ray-tracing: most games will support it in the future), then it's dismissed without question. It seems a bit unfair.
Ray-tracing isn't widely applicable over a number of disparate tasks like cores, nor is it designed to be.
unlike nebulous things like 'how well are cores/threads going to be utilized in the near future?' we pretty much know the roadmap for how ray-tracing is being implemented
I don't think it's wrong to view it with a little more reservation than with core count, or driver stability, unless you know for certain you're going to be using it.
Nathan Campbell
I'd go for the 32GB ballistix desu
But if money then might as well go for the 3200 c16 Corsair vengeance. The 3600 c18 probably won't give you much benefit if any, very small, over 3200c16 and the 3600 should hit 3200c16 on virtually all RAM modules rated for that much anyway unless you get a bad egg
Noah Myers
>not quad rank You disgust me.
Christian Peterson
Oh yeah definitely dual channel
So XMP should take care of the slightly higher latency
Brody Rivera
There is no quad rank DDR4
>Oh yeah definitely dual channel No, that isn't what dual rank means
Austin Fisher
Looking to get a 570/580, Any brands I should look for or avoid?
WHY THE FUCK IS THE SAPPHIRE 5700XT MORE THAN 15% MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE REFERENCE DESIGN
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH AUSTRALIAN VENDORS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Joseph Fisher
is mixing a ryzen cpu with a nvidia gpu a bad idea? the 3700x is better suited for being a workstation, but the 2070s is performing better than the 5700xt
Connor Powell
Get you pic related. Done.
Connor Cook
I'm downsizing to mini itx and the last component I need, the mobo, is fucking late. I really hope that it arrives today I'm sick of having to use my phone for everything
Isaac Morales
give me budget and work use and ill give u build ive spare time and crippling feeling of doom
I can't find any review or video that compares the Sapphire 5700 Pulse and the Sapphire 5700 xt Pulse. Basically what difference in FPS is there between the two?
Nicholas Reed
>is mixing a ryzen cpu with a nvidia gpu a bad idea? No, there also nothing beneficial from doing an all AMD build.
Elijah Bailey
Anyone want some meme benchmarks of a 3900x in a b350 board?
Andrew Rodriguez
Best fans layout for a meshify c?
Lucas James
Sounds retarded sure why not
Austin Watson
I don't see why the tomahawk would support BIOS flashback but not the carbon AC And there is the x570 phantom gaming for $170.
For a 570, all the ones above 1240MHz seem to have decent coolers.
>Australia
I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia driver is the reason why 3900X with SMT off does a lot better in some games than with it on, but otherwise no it's fine. And if that is a problem, Nvidia will fix it just like they fixed issues with pairing with the 6850k, 6900k, 1600, 1700, etc. >but the 2070s is performing better than the 5700xt In what, exactly?
Should be similar to the difference between the 5700 and 5700 XT reference.. just add 0%-5% performance difference for the custom card.
3200CL16 and 3600CL18 is pretty much the same thing. Just OC the former kit. As already mentioned, people have gotten great results OCing Micron E-die.
James Powell
Take G skill ram works best with ryzen got my 80eur kit to go 3200 cl14 on 1.37 while performance are on pair with ~3700 cl 16
Alexander Turner
>in what, exactly? Everything that isn't far cry basically
Eli Gonzalez
I have 3200 Corsair vengeance's 16-18-18-36 over to 3600 same timing but at like 1.410v.
Aiden Cox
thx guys
>>but the 2070s is performing better than the 5700xt >In what, exactly? Lower Heat - lower noise. Also I plan on using raytracing for a promotion video for my game.
Dominic Carter
Then capitalism is working as intended
Joshua Hughes
But 5700xt is better than 2080ti in Forza horizon 4
Adam Davis
3700x, 2070 super and a dark rock pro 4 or 3600, 2080 and no seperate cooler?
Michael Hernandez
fuck that's what I was thinking of far cry is the game with the broken frametime issues was it?
Benjamin Sullivan
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Camden Lee
no point buying a dark rock pro 4 for a 3600, it's overkill. Just get something easy like a 212turbo if you need the cooling and get the 2080S if you can
Alexander Garcia
*2080 if you meant you were getting the non-S variant for a cheaper price
Luis Taylor
HELP ME Jow Forums I am stuck in a dilemma. Building my new PC everything is ready to be installed. I just can't decide which case to choose from. I narrowed down my choices to the Cooler Master H500P Mesh and the Fractal Design Meshify C. The CM case costs 50 more than the Meshify C, but it also comes with better cooling out of the box and a bigger case by design, but the Meshify C is built better and does not look GAYmery like the CM, also if I were to choose the Meshify C I would change the fans with the Noctua's A14 fans which costs 55USD with delivery from Amazon or 61 USD locally for the NF-A14P. HELP ME Jow Forums
i’m reinstalling windows it’s at 70% and i wanna go to bed is it fine if it just sits at the install screen til i get up?
Jonathan White
Or get the wraith prism off eBay or Craigslist from someone who bought anything 3700x and above and doesn't use it. The Cryorig H7 is pretty good cooler too, better than 212 at least.
Elijah Cook
No that creates mustard gas.
Brayden Martinez
Meant the 2080 super. And the cooler would have been for the 3700x. What does overkill even mean? The cooler the cpu the better no?
Nathaniel Bennett
What do you want fan I have a cinebench 20 and nothing else CPU specific.
Jackson Butler
>Fractal Design Meshify C. Fractal Design Meshify C.
Nolan Cruz
AMD cpu's don't overclock a great deal basically since their stock performance is pushed pretty high already. As long as your cpu isn't above ~75 degress when running prime95 then there's no reason to go higher as the frequency boost algorithm doesn't get much gains once you go lower.
Isaiah Parker
No idea user. Titles that aren't outliers don't make my amd shilling job easier so I don't take note of those.
Aaron Carter
>Why are people so quick to dismiss ray-tracing? because it ruins you fps
I can get a Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ or a 5700XT for around the same price right now in kangaroo dollars. I plan to do a full waterloop with my system eventually but I think blocking a card like the 5700xt isn't the smartest idea with where it's being sold.
Main uses are editing, record/stream and I guess aiming for high framerates is a bonus. Using a stopgap 580 4gb Pulse atm, could really use the improvement.
Aaron Smith
>ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday. The fuck OP?
Caleb Russell
If I don't care about the price it wouldn't hurt to have it though I imagine since I hear the amd stock coolers are loud as fuck.
Robert Anderson
Quit shitting up the thread with shitposts. The 5700XT performs between the 2080 and 2080Ti in most productivity workloads I've seen.
Hell, even the 5700 often beats the 2080.
FC5 only has frametime issues with less than 12 threads. A 2600 runs it better than a 9700k, yes. Don't be a threadlet and you'll be fine. Not an easy problem to avoid. Just avoid housefire CPUs to begin with.
Yeah I have no clue what that's about. The 5700/XT are good price/performance and efficiency relative to historical norms.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a 1440p IPS 144hz monitor?
I have a Asus PG279Q as my sole monitor currently and I'd like to get a second monitor to be able to have twitch or youtube on in the background. Currently looking at the Acer XV272U or VG270U.
