/pcbg/ - PC Building General

ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on titles above parts lists to see notes
pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value
>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
>R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU
>R7 2700 - Budget video editing
>R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>AAA or multiplatform games: Radeon card appropriate for your montior
>PC centric or VR games: Nvidia card appropriate for your display
>Used RX 570s can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p 16:9
>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value
>GTX 1660 - standard

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync
>A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless

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ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00214157/#/00214157
ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S29932181/
ebay.com/itm/HP-717372-002-EliteDesk-800-G1-LGA-1150-Socket-H3-DDR3-SDRAM-Desktop-Motherboard/362642470870?hash=item546f2cf7d6:g:YGUAAOSwhT1c0F0Z&LH_BIN=1
youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
pcpartpicker.com/list/yJ2Qjy
pcpartpicker.com/list/h3DCBb
phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-ATX.html
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Reminder that these are the people giving advice ITT
Unironically go to reddit or do your own research instead of asking here

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First for 2070s. The way its meant to be played. 5700xt shitters on a 2 month wait list, spamming f5, need not apply. Maybe by the time you get the card amd will have fixed the drivers. Haha. Fat chance

This graph depresses me delete it right now.

what's the cheapest mobo/cpu i can get just for internet browsing and maybe light gaming? don't care if it's used

Anyone have any suggestions for a decent desk? i'm looking for something like this ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00214157/#/00214157 that can support my rig but i don't wanna pay over $150 for it cause that's fuckin retarded

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just get
ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S29932181/

That same post also pushes back against an AMD bitch for claiming that drivers half Nvidia card's perf. Not saying there aren't fanbois but at least find a better post to back it up. The post he was replying to was also a literal Nvidia shill post, so what's your fucking point?

Actually it's this post

Based
I have the 47 inch one

Who here rx580? I just don't see an upgrade path yet

Thinking about upgrading my motherboard from a b350. Would it make sense to keep my 2600 or upgrade to a 3600? Also would it be silly to buy a b450 in 2018+1?

Cheapest new would be an Athlon 200ge with an a320 board. If you stretch for a Ryzen 3 2200g, you can actually play a lot of stuff using the integrated graphics. It can play Doom at ~50fps on medium and 60fps on low for example.

200GE if 30fps at 900p is fine.
2400GE if you want to play at 1080p@60 more often. Generally at medium or low.
Get a B450 board to overclock if it's a 2400G.

I mean if you got an RX580 for $170, then yeah paying $350 for double the performance and lower power consumption isn't going to seem worth it still. Those cards were cheap as fuck.
Wait until next year when shit's on sale. Wouldn't be surprised if driver updates improve Navi performance by around 10% as well.

No I paid like 220 for mine. I wish I waited longer but it was right when the crypto boom was ending

>I don't care if it's used
>recommends new AMDshit

I want Jow Forums to leave.

You can get yourself an i5 2400 midtower off ebay for like $100, and throw in a 750 Ti for $50.

You're stupid, no reason to upgrade any of that

would this mobo support a pentium g3220 out of the box?
ebay.com/itm/HP-717372-002-EliteDesk-800-G1-LGA-1150-Socket-H3-DDR3-SDRAM-Desktop-Motherboard/362642470870?hash=item546f2cf7d6:g:YGUAAOSwhT1c0F0Z&LH_BIN=1

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Does it matter which direction you install a ryzen fan?

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possibly, however that motherboard is non-standard and uses oddball plugs to power the board.

Nope. Install it whichever way makes the cable routing easier.

Yes, install it so you can read the AMD properly when your system is standing.

>AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Wraith Prism LED RGB (3.6 GHz / 4.4 GHz)
>Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE
>G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 Go (2x 8 Go) DDR4 3600 MHz CL16
>Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus M.2 PCIe NVMe 1 To
>Corsair RM650x V2 80PLUS Gold
>Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV X Glass
>Cooler Master Hyper 212
>PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT Red Devil
>Western Digital WD Black Desktop 2 To SATA 6Gb/s
For gaming 1440p/144hz and working on Linux Mint. Already got an aorus ad27qd. Want it to last at least 5 years and probably wont OC. What about SSD, maybe take a second one. Finally the case and venti, something better ? Will get a NAS in a few month. Thanks for the help.

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Will you be gaming in Linux? Doesn't nvidia have better driver support atm?

page for the board should have a supported CPUs list

>970 evo plus instead of the better non-Samsung-meme options
>hyper 212
>having HDD at all
Other than those two things, good build.
Get a 250GB ex920/ex950/sx8200, and a 2-4TB QLC drive instead.
Get Arctic 34 freezer unless you already have the cooler.

>nvidia
>linux driver support
youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g

still better driver support than amd

My tower is pretty heavy, you sure that will support it? i don't want it to sink in or anything.

>ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S29932181/
>Max. load: 50 kg
How do you go through life?

i didn't see that part, sorry user

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I can't decide which gpu to get yet, I just know I want to play 1080p at 60fps in ultra to keep my card relevant for at least the next 5 years of videogames. I'm also interested in emulating nintendo an maybe VR as secondary goals.

-rx580 has excelent value for price now but seems like its performance is just enough for today's games, I worry about how well it will keep up during the next years.

-gtx 1660 has less value for money now but much more fps which makes me think it might hold better mid term value once games start to get more demanding.

-rx 5700 it might be overkill for my needs and somewhat pricey but it is also the strongest available card in my market right now that is not ridiculously overpriced (yet) like the 2060's and vega 56's

So wanting to get the best bang for my buck what should I get?

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should I get a cheaper motherboard?

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>Intel ssd

Rx 5700 blower for 320 is the best value right now

>Linux
> nvidia have better driver support atm?
ahahahah what the fuck they haven't had better Linux driver support for YEARS

don't use QLC for main drive ffs
get a cheaper motherboard if it fits your needs, yes

get 5700 if you're willing to at least upgrade to a 1080p@75 monitor.

Not unless you think you're redoing the build in the next few years. One of the big things about Ryzen is the AM4 long term compatibility: it's very possible you'll be able to upgrade to a 3900x or 4900x in the not too distant future quite cheaply. AM5 likely isn't coming until 2021 when DDR5 and PCIE 5 start rolling out, and those likely won't be affordable or really necessary until 2023/2024 at the earliest.

Weren't the blower versions of the 5700 supposed to be hot and very noisy?
I don't think I'll have enough money left to upgrade monitor this year.

The response to blower was overblown lol

Current computer has been with me for the past 7 years, hoping the new one will too. If I upgrade, I'll probably upgrade everything most likely.

Why not use the Intel 660p? I was thinking in an Evo 970 or Pro 970 aswell, but they have less storage for the same price.

I don't know if I should buy a reference 5700 or wait for the Evoke/Mech/Pulse.

Haven't seen any user or reviewer complain about 5700 noise levels. Just as quiet as the 2060 FE if not more so due to the better pitch.
People who say otherwise are just spreading FUD.

It's the XT that's too loud. Same cooler on a 27% higher power consumption card.

because it's QLC
Get an MX500.

Just finished building my first pc and I decided to try a userbenchmark. It says my RAM has shit latency and is performing badly overall.
Is this normal or maybe some bios setting I'm missing?
I'm on a Ryzen 3700x btw

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>userbenchmark

What should I use then?

Look at a guide for manually tightening timings on Ryzen. You should be able to get under 70ns, assuming userbenchmark is accurate.

Thanks bros, hearing your thoughts on the matter have made me realize that spending the extra cash on a 5700 might not be such a bad idea after all, even for my 1080 gaming needs, now I just need to decide if I want to wait for the aib cards or get the blower sapphire as it is.

If you wait long enough they might get a different sponsor then your score will change to match.

>rgb
>>>reddit

need help. $2400 maxxx. gaming (144hz ideally), editing, recording (60fps).

all parts must come from amazon

pcpartpicker.com/list/yJ2Qjy

1) pls suggest monitors. IPS, 27'' 1080p

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Update from yesterday: Some anons asked if C&C would run on a ryzen + AMD card system.
I tried to run C&C Generals and Zero Hour on my ryzen 5 3600 system with an RX 580 but couldn't. I followed many guides but the game gave me the directx 8.1 or higher error,

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looks fine, look at leopold keyboards

windows 10?

yes

Cue AMD shill damage control.

will try on 1070 probably will work, curious

Pulse is available for 430e here! is there a single serious reason to wait for red devil?

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>1660 standard
Are people actually retarded enough to spend $80 more on a 1660 for 5 more frames than an rx 580?

There was ebay sale or some shit for $30 off. For $320 it's a super good deal. But you REALLY need to upgrade your monitor to at least 75hz to be worth it. 1920x1200@75 4ms freesync IPS is only like $120.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/yJ2Qjy
yikes that's bad
>9900k
>2080
>4 sticks of RAM
Just because you have the money doesn't mean you should spend an extra $700 for a 10% performance increase. At least fix the RAM, housefire CPU, and get a 2080Ti.
As for monitor, ASUS VG32VQ or LG 27GL850

Do you want better and quieter card that costs more, or slightly more power efficient one? It's pretty simple.

fuck it, I ordered it, pulse sold out in 2 hours last time I dragged my feet

pulse is not much louder. pusle costs here less than some reference cards, I think I got a good deal

>At least fix the RAM, housefire CPU, and get a 2080Ti
>1440p monitors

thanks for nothing

Looking for a 650w PSU, Corsair's RM650x seems well rated but is there anything else I should look at?

seasonic focus gold for $80 is nice

No, not generally. We don't see many of those builds despite how much that one retard tries to shill it.

>spending $2500 on a 1080p build
sorry I just read past that much retardation.

focus gold
g2

seasonic. buy from manufacturer, not the brand.

>sorry I just read past that much retardation.
then post your version

Trying to get my 16gb Ballistix LT Sport 3200mhz RAM to a solid 3600 mhz with CL14, on HCI I'll throw an error but I just changed my timings to this, so any other suggestions in case it doesn't work?

I have a 3700x and an MSI b450m gaming plus mobo.

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Eh. I will simply put pulse in quiet bios and relax.

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silly question, is going 1.45 on memory fine for long term? never got it that high, but I run cheap corsair lpx 3200 cl16 from hynix

pcpartpicker.com/list/h3DCBb
I would get this at that price point

If you have to sure, but you're far more likely to hit your die limit before needing 1.45, you do it to test the die without any power restrictions

How do I test my undervolt

i3-4130. yes or nah?

i really, really hope you aren't the same guy who called the build retarded a minute ago holy shit lol

Nope different guy, although I’m not a retard wanting to get an i9 and try putting it on a $100 motherboard.

it runs XMP but it crashes to WHEA sometimes, not always, so It thought maybe giving it a bit more juice might help

This is my current case
phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-ATX.html

will a Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 fit inside this? cause this looks way longer than my current 1060ti

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>$100 motherboard
who gives a shit. if theres a bottleneck on that mobo by all means point it out (you cant)

Alright user buy your build. Just make sure to have a fire extinguisher next to you at all times

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VRMs will melt. 9900K is hot and hungry. simple as that.

please respond

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If you mean the ASRock b450, don't. The motherboard-side cpu temperature sensor straight up doesn't work, so you need a paid third-party tool to control the fans via averaged on-die temperature from windows.

just compare length of both on spec sheet
looks like it will fit, pulse is a shortish card

weird, they're both 10 inches but the sapphire looks fuckin massive for some reason. Oh well

Sold my 1070ti for a great price, should I get a 2070s or a used 1080ti with warranty? Getting the 1080ti will be cheaper by $200 compared to a new 2070s

1080ti

Try upping it then and see if it still happens, then Memtest it down to lower voltages to see if you're still stable

Definitely 1080ti. Unless you really care about RTX I would just go with 1080ti

Should I get the b450 tomahawk or the asus prime x450? I'm still debating between the 2700 and the 3600 for my processor.

Which card, 1080ti or 5700xt ?
For 1440p 144hz. I can find used MSI 1080ti for 450e. Saphire Pulse 5700XT is at the same price.

2070 super

pulse is also wide, but that shouldn't be a problem

It is around 600e user

if price is the same get 5700xt. nvidia old gen is a risky buy. even if they didn't do anything radical last 4 years you never know when another 780ti may happen, 5700xt is also less power hungry

I fucked up and accidentally bought 1x 16gb instead of 2x 8gb. Will it make that much of a difference for me to return the 16gb ram, or itll be good enough for high settings gaming?

can a slow HDD cause vidya stutter?

depends on game, open world highly stream able engines tend to like bandwidth
you basically cut your bandwidth by two with one stick

yes, seefor example I know for a fact Arkham Knight is barely playable on HDD

Don't worry, the VRMs have a safety feature whereby they will desolder themselves and fall off the board before they actually catch on fire. A microscopic sliver of aluminum will also come off but nobody knows what its purpose is.

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Would games like witcher 3 and dishonored 2 suffer alot from this?