>debian
>rock solid but old software, lacking developers, not used in production anymore
>ubuntu/mint/etc
>like debian but buggy and bloated, nuff said
>centos
>same problems with debian stable, rock solid but not a good everyday os
>fedora
>I'd rather not beta test pre alpha quality redhat software, also gnome and wayland can fuck right off
>gentoo
>I'd rather not compile everything all the time
>alpine
>my computer is not a docker container, thanks
I'm going to switch to Arch.
What am I in for?
>current debian user, dealing daily with redhat/centos/debian/ubuntu/alpine/etc
Debian
Jason James
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Thomas Evans
regular updates and very rarely shit will break but the AUR is fucking awesome
Ethan Richardson
I understand that aur is like bsd ports.
And as a result the base Arch is really small.
How easy is aur to use?
How good are the packages there?
I have to say, the idea of Arch installing devlibs by default seems nice compared to debian.
Ayden Green
>How easy is aur to use?
#pacman -S yay
$yay -S packagename
>How good are the packages there?
aur.archlinux.org
>Packages 54880
Jack Gomez
Nothing, i have been using arch for 3 months now, other than no support for partial upgrades (i'm doing partial upgrades anyways) it's very comfy.
systemd bad tho according to Jow Forums but yea
Logan Watson
also DON'T use the arch for the aur, if you want a similar aur experience but better, use nixos
i thought you had to install yay manually tho?
Adrian Wright
>systemd bad
Systemd is fine imo.
One less headache and brings some consistency across distros.
How many aur helpers exist?
Why?
Why are they needed even?
To resolve deps and build?
Can you use aur without an aur script?
Jace Richardson
oh, yeah, you're right
i forgot package managers aren't 'officially supported' by the dweebs in charge of arch now, the same people that got rid of the original install guide on the arch wiki
Jaxon Smith
>dweebs in charge of arch
Shit, I ain't got time for that.
That's why I used debian.
I really don't have time to troubleshoot my computer after a day at work.
I just want it to just work and focus on my programming stuff and reading.
That's why I put up with the slightly older debian packages.
Wyatt Smith
Install yay as your AUR helper and never need pacman and it's straightforward from there.
Evan Hill
Arch doesn't even support partial updates.
Adam James
>Arch doesn't even support partial updates.
??? that's what i said
Josiah Foster
>fedora
>I DONT WANNA BETA TEST SOFTWARE
>btw how’s arch lol
>WTF I DONT WANNA ALPHA TEST SOFTWARE
Ian Richardson
Forgot OpenSuse the most cozy distro.
Joseph Bennett
What's so cozy about it? Is it more cozy than Manjaro?
Parker Taylor
Currently using Leap on laptop, will switch to Tumbleweed on PC from Manjaro.
It's one of the only Linux distros that work on my laptop out of the box (with others touchpad and/or keyboard did not work), it has YaST one of the imo best config GUI. It has btrfs enabled and configured by default. KDE integration is seamless (if you're into that sort of thing). Afaik it has less programs install from the box then Manjaro (this can be a positive or a negative thing). Its based on an enterprised software and has good documentation. Overall is imo the best distro for someone that dosen't want to get bothered by the OS and just wants to get work done. Plus it has a really great logo.
Manjaro broke a few times for me because of an update (afaik its much worse then Arch) so yeah don't really have the time to deal with this right now.
Isaac Cox
try artix, an arch fork w/ runit instead of systemd.
Ian Cox
install gentoo
Xavier Clark
>fedora
>the beta test "argument"
>implying you must use gnome with wayland
dropped
Mason Wood
>i just want to program and read
>he shits on perfectly good distros that just work for the whole thread
Elijah Hughes
It just works, Tumbleweed is rolling, and easy to use. btrfs + snapper allows you to easily roll back and never have to worry about a broken system. Its tested/stablized before releases and Ive never had a problem. Their implementations of kde and xfce are both great out of the box. I've heard their gnome is good too.
Thomas Perry
>lacking developers
Dude they have more devs than any other distro not named Red Hat or maybe even more, what the hell are you smoking?
Benjamin Jones
It's not like i hate systemd. i was just quoting Jow Forums
Daniel Robinson
wtf pacman doesn't find yay.
Luis Phillips
>debian
>lacking developers
Need directions to the gas chamber or you can get there by yourself?
Robert Walker
>What am I in for?
a comfy really low maintenance distro
>How easy is aur to use?
$ git clone aur.archlinux.org
$ cd trizen
$ makepkg -si
$ cd ..
$ trizen -S trizen
$ rm -rf trizen
replace trizen with yay if you prefer that.
after installing its basically the same as pacman.
Owen Gonzalez
Regular updates and the awesome AUR.
Has been fairly stable for me so far over the last 2 years.
Sebastian Cruz
>How many aur helpers exist?
wiki.archlinux.org
7 pacman wrappers
>Why are they needed even?
because otherwise you need to manually clone an makepkg -si all AUR packages, its just for convenience
Camden Ortiz
So you can just type trizen instead of having to go to the AUR site, git clone and makepkg. And having easy updates for AUR packages.
Simply convenience
Jordan Campbell
dude debian 10 just came put. even ubuntu lts is using outdated gimp while it's updated on debian
Aiden King
lol arch sucks
Isaiah Fisher
German Arch wiki has a detailed install guide even more beginner friendly than the original English one. No idea why the English one is so bare bones.
Jordan Wood
If you install Arch, you better make a huge root partition. Mine is "only" 10gb and its 96% full after 6 months. Therefore I can't install a single package through pacman because somehow I need to do a 1gb upgrade, this is the power of bleeding edge.
Christopher Wright
Is there an LTS kernel for TW, or an option to not upgrade the kernel only?
I've been using TW but the constant kernel changes is causing my optimus nvidia laptop to either not go to sleep mode/suspend, or even fail to shutdown despite using the nouveau driver.
Adrian Lee
I think they changed it because it was crating too many newbies that didnt know what they copy pasted.
>disk is full
>surprised he can't download stuff to disk
>this is somehow the fault of his specific type of distro
Arch is not for you
Dylan Mitchell
Afaik no.
Landon Gray
Arch GNU has such an option. This among others is why it's objectively the best GNU operating system.
Jack Myers
>debian
>old software
So my version of Debian has LibreOffice 6.1 rather than 6.3 and python 3.7.3 instead of 3.7.4.
I'll live, it's a very tiny price to pay for having the most stable reliable and resource friendly computer that I have ever used in my life.
Logan Hall
sudo pacman -S yay-bin
Mason Myers
Any operating system running systemd can't be considered "stable" in any conceivable way.